Jesseh Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Hello, I've tested some tactics, in holiday mode, with Getafe, with help of FMRTE I've set all player's age to 25, attributes to 14, froze them, and made them natural in all positions. Went holiday during the whole session, stopping at the end of the season. Here are results I've got so far. Name of the tactic - Spanish Cup position - Spanish League position - Points/Goals for/Goals Against (referred to league) dave byrd 41212 - qtr rnd - 2nd - P84F58A25 433 Corinthians - semis - 5th - P74F81A41 451 modern - 4th rnd - 3rd - P74F52A26 LATEST KNAP - 5th rnd - 4th - P72F68A43 hough10.3betawizard - final - 4th - P71F57A32 houghv2wizardbestversion - qtr rnd - 3rd - P68F61A40 Assistant Manager with 20 in all attributes - qtr rnd - 5th - P66F53A47 goalsstorm final - semis - 5th - P64F56A38 MrHoughWingerSithAA - 4th rnd - 4th - P64F63A51 AVD MOD- qtr rnd - 5th - P60F65A42 teamknap - semis - 7th - P58F75A53 John Cro 41212ver1 - 4th rnd - 8th - P58F44A34 424 disruption - qtr rnd - 9th - P55F54A57 David Villa Deep 4231 - 5th rnd - 9th - P55F60A51 strangelove - qtr rnd - 9th - P53F57A42 John Cro 433ver3 - 4th rnd - 10th - P53F62A43 thebesttactic - 4th rnd - 8th - P53F50A52 arsenal(sep2016) - qtr rnd - 8th - P52F44A51 dave byrd 4132 - qtr rnd - 10th - P51F38A36 goalstormv3 - 5th rnd - 9th - P50F41A47 latest442mrhoughcrewe - 5th rnd - 12th - P47F50A51 domination dazbowki - 5th rnd - 12th - P47F43A52 hough10.3classic - 4th rnd - 11th - P46F41A42 arsenal433 - 5th rnd - 14th - P43F48A61 4231 Special OneTop - 4th rnd - 14th - P41F46A66 dekap - 4th rnd - 17th - P36F45A64 some of those tactics aren't well named, but all of them were taken from this forum Of course, injuries may have affected the team during the season, but I don't think there is any thing I can do about it during testing, with FMRTE, if someone does know something please post it here. Tactics results may not be the same as if you are managing the team, surely, but this is only a test, I might run more tests later, when there is time. Any suggestion of a better testing scenario is welcome By the way, I'm updating this thread whenever I test a new tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maztheplaya Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Was injury proneness and consistency set to 14 also? As a suggestion give it a try with consistency 20 and injury proneness 1 , and all the hidden attributes the positive ones set to 20 and the negative ones to 1, to see how tactics perform under ideal conditions and then maybe some not so ideal conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 yes, they were also set to 14,everything, except eccentricity, that was 1, by mistake, but when I noticed more than 10 tactics were tested already. But yes, setting injury proneness to 1 may help, also with consistency Anyway I think injury proneness wouldnt be so bad after all, as all 21 players could play in all positions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maztheplaya Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The tactic may be good, but if a player that played for half a season on MR let's say would get injured and he would be substituted be a player that played under 5 matches that season, even if they all have the same attributes, the morale,match experience and fitness would be different.It would be nice if exactly the same players would play for the entire season. Also do the fixtures remained the same throughout all of the seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 The tactic may be good, but if a player that played for half a season on MR let's say would get injured and he would be substituted be a player that played under 5 matches that season, even if they all have the same attributes, the morale,match experience and fitness would be different.It would be nice if exactly the same players would play for the entire season.Also do the fixtures remained the same throughout all of the seasons? yes, I used a base save game,everything is the same for all saves. But you're right, when I do a little more saves I will start doing that thing you said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maztheplaya Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Good luck with the testing. I made an Excel Table with the results from the first post, because it's a bit hard to see each tactics performances, best result has cell highlighted in red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 Good luck with the testing. I made an Excel Table with the results from the first post, because it's a bit hard to see each tactics performances, best result has cell highlighted in red. thanks,that will help =) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elhan Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Congratulations on the effort. I am however slightly sceptical about the attributes: some tactics heavily rely on 1 - 2 key players having a very specific set of attributes, while others much less so. It might be an idea to limit the quality of your team by setting a "budget" for overall team market value and perhaps individual market values as well, or an overall budget for attributes. It would obviously introduce an element of subjectivity to your tests, but it is at least worth considering if the potential benefits might outweight the risks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 yes, true Elhan, there aren't any really good attributes on players, but I tought 14 was an ok, not so bad value to test, once I test a bit more other tactics in the current test I might consider putting a higher value for some key attributes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falahk Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Congratulations on the effort. I am however slightly sceptical about the attributes: some tactics heavily rely on 1 - 2 key players having a very specific set of attributes, while others much less so. It might be an idea to limit the quality of your team by setting a "budget" for overall team market value and perhaps individual market values as well, or an overall budget for attributes. It would obviously introduce an element of subjectivity to your tests, but it is at least worth considering if the potential benefits might outweight the risks. add to that how much footing can impact on how wide play works in a particular tactic... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tato Brazil Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Please, link for tactic dave byrd 41212 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I think this is the one http://www.mediafire.com/?8uxjkf2kph2ys7n Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I wonder how many of the tactics are taken from my original tactics, 3 That i can see so far. I'd like to see how my tactics do in this Holiday Test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tato Brazil Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Thank you Code Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 I wonder how many of the tactics are taken from my original tactics, 3 That i can see so far.I'd like to see how my tactics do in this Holiday Test I'm doing tests with your original tactics later Mr Hough, no tweaks at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ok great, It'll be intresting to see how they get on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunners4eva Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 This is good work Jesseh. Would like to see you do this for FM11 when the full version is out. This is a very good method to test a tactic. Re: Attributes - To test how applicable a tactic would be for any team, it makes sense to make every player on the team average. I wonder what the results would be if say you only set the technical attributes to 14 but left the mental and physical as they were? Theoretically mentality is not something that can easily be developed by training... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackemforever Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I'm currently in the process of doing this on the fm2011 demo. I've set every Sunderland player to have 14s for everything, except for the following: Consistency - 20 Injury Proneness - 1 Dirtiness - 1 Controversy - 1 I'm going to go on holiday for the 6 months of the demo with the team set to play using the default tactics, and I will start a new thread once I have a decent number done, and hopefully people can get a good idea of which formation shapes work well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jona Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 That is a great idea, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackemforever Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 That is a great idea, thanks. If you were talking to me, thanks, if you were talking to the op, i hate you Anyway, one more little update on mine. The version of FMRTE I've been using is in an early beta stage and isn't working perfectly. Despite setting all players to have 14 for virtually everything, it seems to have actually given them all 11s or 12s across the board, so it will be even more of a challenge for the tactics, but thats a good thing in my opinion. Getting through the tactics at a decent pace so hopefully will have a list up later this evening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunners4eva Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Good luck mate, I'm interested in seeing how it pans out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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