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definitely!! have my own schedules set up for each position, for senior and youth players too!!

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if youw ant the best out of your players you have to set up training schedules.

after all you dont want defenders spending valuable time practising their shooting.

gives you the chance to up their defnesive minded training without them moaning about the intensity of training being too high.

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but what do i do?

like my team is playing pretty well

and i'm a nightmare when it comes to training and tactics, but i would like to give it a go....what are the main things i should study for a striker, midfileder and defender?

Thanks

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magpies_fan:

but what do i do?

like my team is playing pretty well

and i'm a nightmare when it comes to training and tactics, but i would like to give it a go....what are the main things i should study for a striker, midfileder and defender?

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

for me:

attacking players: high in attacking,shooting, technique,stamina,strength.

defnesive minded players: high in tactical,defensive,stamina,strength.

set pieces are tacked on at the end for me.

play around with it, i find that all training scheudles overall intensity are just a notch down from hard is the best

but you dont want to waste your attackers time by training them in defensive skills and like whys defendsive players in attacking.

goalkeepers are really high in stamina and strength and goalkeeping.

nothing for shooting and attaching. light in defensive and tactics.

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have a look in the tactics and training forum, theres plenty of help there! if youre not sure about setting your own up theres plenty of schedules you can download too!

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a. if you leave your players on the general schedule, they will train quite adequately and their CA will rise slowly.

b. if you get your own schedules, designed by position, then your players will undoubtedly train better and their CA will go up faster.

c. go to the Tactics forum and look in the FAQ thread at the top of the forum and read up about training there. There are also several good training schedules to download in there.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrazT:

a. if you leave your players on the general schedule, they will train quite adequately and their CA will rise slowly.

b. if you get your own schedules, designed by position, then your players will undoubtedly train better and their CA will go up faster.

c. go to the Tactics forum and look in the FAQ thread at the top of the forum and read up about training there. There are also several good training schedules to download in there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a. you've also got to take into account that yes, their ca will rise but some of the wrong stats will be rising in relation to their position if it's a general schedule.

you'll have a defneders attacking stats rising and nicking points when they could be going towards defensive stats.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rinso:

definitely!! have my own schedules set up for each position, for senior and youth players too!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

icon14.gif Attention to detail...

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I have schedules for each position but it really takes no time at all. I just set up schedules for each position and one for fitness when i first buy the game, save them and use them for each game after that. I probably spend ten minutes on training in the whole time I play the game but my schedules are still detailed and useful this way.

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i have one schedule for everybody. counter attacking play works better when full backs and DM join in. worked so far, 3 seasons, 2 leagues, fa cup, league cup. maybe its different with smaller clubs or lower leagues.

i also set the schedule to heavy. nobody moaning. icon_biggrin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klimowicz:

i have one schedule for everybody. counter attacking play works better when full backs and DM join in. worked so far, 3 seasons, 2 leagues, fa cup, league cup. maybe its different with smaller clubs or lower leagues.

i also set the schedule to heavy. nobody moaning. icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha good little manager you are eh!

ive now got different training aspects for every player now....took a good 1 hour!

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SiDolman:

Dont bother, training does not seem to make any difference in new patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

or course it does.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">or course it does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry but the player development is a farce

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I have:

Tall Striker

Fast Striker

Winger

Attacking Mid

Mid

Defensive Mid

Fullback

Defender

Goalkeeper.

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I can't be sure if setting up my own schedules makes any difference, but I do it anyway.

I have a schedule for forwards and strikers, one for defenders and one for goalkeepers.

I have two separate ones for midfielders. My attacking midfielders' schedule more closely resembles that of the strikers', but with modifications. My schedule for more defensively-minded midfielders is closer to my defenders' one, again, with modifications.

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Never at the start, but after a seasonor two, when I've actually decided that this save is going to alst, I'll then put the effort into setting up my backroom staff, training and scouting assignments.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SiDolman:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">or course it does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry but the player development is a farce </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It what way?

I posted this in another thread but it seems to show that players can develop over time.

Brian aged 15

Brian aged 21

Brian aged 27

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One of the first things i do when i take over at a club. New schedule for Keepers, Defenders, Defensive Mid, Midfielders, Attacking Mid and Strikers.

It's fairly obvious which sections you use for each position whilst i tend to keep the strength and stamina sections fairly similar for each position around the beginning of the medium with pre-season being higher.

It helps to tweak each schedule ever so slightly every now and then.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SiDolman:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">or course it does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry but the player development is a farce </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It what way?

I posted this in another thread but it seems to show that players can develop over time.

Brian aged 15

Brian aged 21

Brian aged 27 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree players DO improve over time. Its just that 90% of everyone here expect to see instant results in a few months..its not like that anymore in Fm 08,(which I think is realistic) it takes years now.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SiDolman:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">or course it does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry but the player development is a farce </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It what way?

I posted this in another thread but it seems to show that players can develop over time.

Brian aged 15

Brian aged 21

Brian aged 27 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must've been well chuffed with him dafuge? icon14.gif

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Training is still very important even the progress is slow down post 8.0.1.

You can "reshape" your players stats with training. For example turn some of the CA points from defensive attributes into attributes for your striker.

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You'll only ever notice it in the long-term.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joor:

I agree players DO improve over time. Its just that 90% of everyone here expect to see instant results in a few months..its not like that anymore in Fm 08,(which I think is realistic) it takes years now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the way it should be, players should generally peak at around 27, not in their late teens or early twenties. With previous versions you could work out how good a player would get very quickly, this is much better.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SiDolman:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">or course it does </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry but the player development is a farce </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It what way?

I posted this in another thread but it seems to show that players can develop over time.

Brian aged 15

Brian aged 21

Brian aged 27 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just note that from your images, if "natural fitness" cant developed by training or age at all??

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joor:

I agree players DO improve over time. Its just that 90% of everyone here expect to see instant results in a few months..its not like that anymore in Fm 08,(which I think is realistic) it takes years now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the way it should be, players should generally peak at around 27, not in their late teens or early twenties. With previous versions you could work out how good a player would get very quickly, this is much better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, it make much more sense now while player peak themselves at age 27 or so. However, with the developing curve post 8.0.1, you are almost impossible to get any Messi or Fabregas at the age of 18 or so.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickooko:

Yea, it make much more sense now while player peak themselves at age 27 or so. However, with the developing curve post 8.0.1, you are almost impossible to get any Messi or Fabregas at the age of 18 or so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously that is not ideal, but it is better than every player having a career like Messi or Fabregas.

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Kind of.

I download that really good one and assign each player one of them icon_biggrin.gificon_razz.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magpies_fan:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klimowicz:

i have one schedule for everybody. counter attacking play works better when full backs and DM join in. worked so far, 3 seasons, 2 leagues, fa cup, league cup. maybe its different with smaller clubs or lower leagues.

i also set the schedule to heavy. nobody moaning. icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha good little manager you are eh!

ive now got different training aspects for every player now....took a good 1 hour! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah, thanks for that icon_confused.gif i wasn't boasting, just making a point that my training works...

anyone else use one schedule?

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I created a training schedule for each position by looking at key attributes and the training areas that improve them. This way my training will hopefully improve my players in areas that are important for the tactics I use.

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Attributes only seem to raise/lower in as CA goes up or down.

Training seems to do nothing else at all, unsure if it actually effects CA.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

I created a training schedule for each position by looking at key attributes and the training areas that improve them. This way my training will hopefully improve my players in areas that are important for the tactics I use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

exactly. similar to mine, but with more schedules.

i tried the individual schedule method with Juve, didn't really work as i only had a few strikers and apart from Van Der vaart, nobody else contributed with goals and we let in loads from counter attacks because the mids didn't stop build up plays.

i would do individual training for young strikers, for example, to boost their early development. then again, i've had Lansbury on whole team training and he's developing very well at the moment as an AMRC.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Barside:

Surely natural fitness by definition cannot change. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my current natural fitness is fairly good. if i improved by doing lots of cardio work then my antural overall fitness would improve. i'ts not going to stay the same if someone goes from doing no exercise to running 50miles a week.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickooko:

Yea, it make much more sense now while player peak themselves at age 27 or so. However, with the developing curve post 8.0.1, you are almost impossible to get any Messi or Fabregas at the age of 18 or so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously that is not ideal, but it is better than every player having a career like Messi or Fabregas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gotta desagree, i'd rather have a team full of messis or fabregas then having a team full of idiots with low physical stats. the low physical stats in regens are a serious problem and since the training takes too much time they wont be able to get good physical stats until they're 25+ . i found very good regens that i bought but i then just sell them because their speed and aceleration are ridiculous, usually 12, and no matter how good other stats are they will be owned by fast players.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DeathSpawn:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickooko:

Yea, it make much more sense now while player peak themselves at age 27 or so. However, with the developing curve post 8.0.1, you are almost impossible to get any Messi or Fabregas at the age of 18 or so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously that is not ideal, but it is better than every player having a career like Messi or Fabregas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gotta desagree, i'd rather have a team full of messis or fabregas then having a team full of idiots with low physical stats. the low physical stats in regens are a serious problem and since the training takes too much time they wont be able to get good physical stats until they're 25+ . i found very good regens that i bought but i then just sell them because their speed and aceleration are ridiculous, usually 12, and no matter how good other stats are they will be owned by fast players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i gotta dissagree

that makes it so unrealistic...i like having very few world class players on the game because thats what makes the game! haha

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DeathSpawn:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dafuge:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickooko:

Yea, it make much more sense now while player peak themselves at age 27 or so. However, with the developing curve post 8.0.1, you are almost impossible to get any Messi or Fabregas at the age of 18 or so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously that is not ideal, but it is better than every player having a career like Messi or Fabregas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

gotta desagree, i'd rather have a team full of messis or fabregas then having a team full of idiots with low physical stats. the low physical stats in regens are a serious problem and since the training takes too much time they wont be able to get good physical stats until they're 25+ . i found very good regens that i bought but i then just sell them because their speed and aceleration are ridiculous, usually 12, and no matter how good other stats are they will be owned by fast players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My entire squad are now regens and only two of my players have either pace or acceleration in single figures, one of which is a goalie. Almost half of them have got both pace and acceleration of 15+. The average age of the squad is 23.

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i think fitness trainers should actually have their own set of stats, in the same way goalies have different stats to outfield players.

cba to elaborate... icon_biggrin.gif

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Only get involved if things are going very badly, like the other day increased defensive set piece training because we'd lost more goals from set pieces than any other team. And seems to work. Getting really good coaches isn't too difficult in the game so I let them to the vast majorty of the work.

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i downloaded a training schedule from the tactics forum called FM Barney's or something like that.

can't remember if it was for fm07 or 08 but it definately work for 08 icon14.gif

works well for me too!

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No.

I auto assign it all to the coaches and that is as far as I go with it. icon14.gif

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do i bother with training? of course, that's how 16 year old Arturo Fernandez AKA Torro became the leading scorer in the German first Division by the age of 18. Btw, is it normal for him to dubbed Wonderkid after he has achieved success. Aren't Wonderkids spotted at young ages, like 14 or 15? Just wondering.

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there's absolutely no point in training this in this version of the game. Barely any changes to player attributes. It needs to be halfway between 07 and 06

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