Oo RIDER oO Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 These are simply amazing ideas. I would love to see these implemented into future vesions of game. Also it would be great if someone could implement this into a skin .(michaelmurrayuk) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 i'm no expert and i'm not saying I could do it but surely this could be done quite easily? I mean it's excellent, much better than the current layout. Only thing is the size, would the space taken up by attributes would have to be reduced to fit everything else on the player screens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezz Boms Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I'd be very upset if this isn't added to the game in the next few years. Brilliant ideas, even the minority of people who dont like the idea could be happy if it was an option to choose at start up of a career save (when you choose your database size etc) I think from a business point of view this would be a great addition to the game in terms of attracting new customers to buy the game, many people who i speak to who havent purchased a FM game have been put off by the "spreadsheet" look. This idea would change that general opinion of the spreadheet but not affect the indepth knowlegde which makes the game the best Football Manager game in the world To the people who say this could be added as a skin - i agree it could but it would be hard to make the best use of this fantastic idea due to the different sizes of text etc (the totally different look to the game). I'm not an expert but i think it may be very hard to implement to its full potential as a skin. Greak work! an excellent idea! fingers crossed for this to be added in future versions of FM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton162 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Even if this isn't introduced into the game in the next few years, could someone make a skin with all of these ideas in as then the people who want these ideas/layouts in their game can have it and the people who don't want it can choose a different skin. Great work mate, keep it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
03akkasi Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 great. simple as. The Game looks so much more clinical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomescan Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Great work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jops14 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 personally i really like it. What ive always wondered is why the game has the position so.... dead set on the tactic screen if you know what i mean. Its a bad example, but for examply, on pro evo you can set the positions anywhere you like, id like something a bit more like thatand i feel they need to add the position second striker, as its a very different role to CF or AMC. Just add new tactical ideas into the game. And in rehards to the averages, i think it would also be good to have an "overall" average score if you are going to do individual ones, unfortunately that is bordering far too close on fifa, of which i am not a fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
small Mac Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I remember seeing these ideas first time round and being really impressed, seems StanPetrov hasn't been on the forums since last November which is a shame. But i think more graphical representation is the way forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenegg Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 coool stuff. irresistible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeNah Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Waow you blew me away mate. Looking at those pics you put up I think they should hire you up stright away!!! I always felt FM was a little unfinished in the graphical sense, and its presentation however definately best game in the world. I know there are always skins but some of the stuff you put up are really simple yet mind boggling and seoriusly looks the goods. Thanks for sharing and I hope FM10 looks exactly or even better then you make it out to be!! Once again good on ya champ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThE BoMBeR Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Excellent idea. Would be really cool to see FM with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Funk Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Excellent post, people take note! Threads such as these that attempt to solve problems rather than just pointing them out are very useful to us, as Ter's presence shows. If you say this thread "solve problems" while others "just pointing them out" (I would say that the community from game release to february is just beta-testing a game while paying it), well, I find it very unfair, since I read some threads regarding training and other core-game stuff without any answer from you, which is much more important. If put some photo here and there and changing players color attributes are solving problems, this makes me think about how you're working. You made a patch that made problems with regen faces, if you couldn't prevent this, completely revamp graphics is a dream, honestly. Think focusing on core-game stuff, and just give tools to skinners, that are making gorgeous works, instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsgouro Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 ^ ^Whs ^ ^ The OP had some fantastic ideas and had the knowledge (skinning or whatever) to implement them, or at least to saw us images of them. If pointing out a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place is not useful, then we're left with two options: praise the game as it is or learn programming and solving those problems ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enuff Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 really decent suggestions. all would say the distinct difference between these rival (?) games are database/reality vs graphics/finishing... when FM gains acceleration on the latter one it will get closer to being flawless. with huge amount of precise data and processing it, bugs and twitches are acceptable. i find SI's rate of solving problems really reasonable. and i can understand their effort in making the game itself work more accurately, with minimum amount of bugs in the core, rather than spend time on the finishing. perhaps these two are different branches which require improvements from different teams of people. still, i need a "perfect running game" before i have a "perfect looking game"... i really have the feeling things keep on improving and the introduction of 3d match engine really winks onto graphical improvements are around the corner. the one thing i love about CM/FM series is that, it is almost fully customizable, the graphics, the data etc. there are many decent, hardworking, versatile graphic authors who are fans of the game themselves. it is not difficult to make your game look close-to-perfect with a small effort. go around, look for it, sure you will find it. hope stan's ideas come up to be real and concrete sometime soon though. by him or by someone else who gets inspired by his mock-ups keep up the good work stan.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Funk Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 ^ ^Whs ^ ^ The OP had some fantastic ideas and had the knowledge (skinning or whatever) to implement them, or at least to saw us images of them. If pointing out a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place is not useful, then we're left with two options: praise the game as it is or learn programming and solving those problems ourselves. this solves a problem and is useful (and should be praised and considered by SI) http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=76389&highlight=preferred+foot not this http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2955/matchflowlj8.jpg <--- which problem does this solve? I'm not blaming the OP, it's a quality works without any doubt, I'm blaming the meaning you give to it. It's not solving problem ---> improve gameplay, but make it cool---> just bling bling at eyes. It's not "Graphics Speak Louder Than Words" because http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=112789&highlight=star this is honestly true. A simple silly png that makes something potentially great to awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsgouro Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Da Funk, I agree with you 100% on this. I just don't accept that pointing out a problem is not useful to the progress of the game, as scorp said. As I told before, not all of us are programmers or have some kind of knowledge to be in a possition to solve problems (that shouldn't be there, what so ever). So, we're "limitted" to just point them out and maybe a few times propose possible solutions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 If Ter has read this thread since it's been bumped can you say anything with reagards to this? I think it's clear this is something alot ( of forum ) users want which I guess the wider customer base would also want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 At no point did I say that pointing out problems was not useful, perhaps you should re-read my post: "Excellent post, people take note! Threads such as these that attempt to solve problems rather than just pointing them out are very useful to us, as Ter's presence shows." This does not say that pointing out problems are not useful to us, it says that attempting to solve them or provide a solution is "very useful" as it fleshes out the problem and brings about a concept that can be used as a basis for discussion and thought on the aspect in question. This goes for all suggestions for improvements. Pointing something out is useful, but suggesting a genuine way in which improvements could be handled is even more useful. I was in no way criticising posts that point things out, I was praising this one. Can't praise a poster on these boards without it being totally misread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsgouro Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well, I guess I missuderstood your post, ok, I can understand that giving a possible solution to a problem is more useful than just mentioning it, and obvioulsly the OP had some great ideas for the improvement of the UI, so any praise is justified Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 25, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted March 25, 2009 If Ter has read this thread since it's been bumped can you say anything with reagards to this? I think it's clear this is something alot ( of forum ) users want which I guess the wider customer base would also want. There's nothing new that needs said that hasn't been said already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 So basically you've a graphics team and a position open. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Funk Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I was in no way criticising posts that point things out, I was praising this one. Can't praise a poster on these boards without it being totally misread! Let me explain my position. First of all I didn't meant to open a controversy or a feud! My thoughts starts from Threads such as these that attempt to solve problems rather than just pointing them out are very useful to us I find that "these" absolutely a nonsense. Anyhow I agree with you that everyone can say "this doesn't work. Fix it" And often posts like this one are just like spam. But let me give you an example. If I remember right when you put a custom skin in the folder where it should be, it cause text to have almost invisible color. To fix it there's need of an xml. Well this is an example of something absolutely bad that the common user can't give you a way to fix. And I hope in FM2010 we simply have to put the skin in the folder, without creating any file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ter Posted March 25, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted March 25, 2009 So basically you've a graphics team and a position open. Brilliant. We've got a page one to this thread to you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Ah, so was my mass thread useless then Anyway, I presume when you say 'reading it' you actually meant you are going to do something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snootyjim Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Obviously it's not perfect, there would need to be a rethink in terms of overusing players' faces, which aren't in the game as standard and probably aren't imported by as many users as people might think - but it is so much infinitely better than the excel-style formatting that we've all become used to. Yes, FIFA/TCM has its bad points (i.e. football management) but it also had its good points, and FM wouldn't necessarily do badly by taking some inspiration from the odd few features. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xander Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 i personally think those mock-ups are genius, excellent work IMO this would make fm even better, designing the UI like this wouldn't affect any of the database functions, and it looks much more user friendly and easier to use. good job stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 We've got a page one to this thread to you know Apologies for being blind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Let me explain my position. First of all I didn't meant to open a controversy or a feud!My thoughts starts from I find that "these" absolutely a nonsense. Anyhow I agree with you that everyone can say "this doesn't work. Fix it" And often posts like this one are just like spam. But let me give you an example. If I remember right when you put a custom skin in the folder where it should be, it cause text to have almost invisible color. To fix it there's need of an xml. Well this is an example of something absolutely bad that the common user can't give you a way to fix. And I hope in FM2010 we simply have to put the skin in the folder, without creating any file All Skorp was doing was praising this thread and the OP for actually coming up with suggestions. He was, at the same time, criticising threads that are critical of the game, but don't come up with any suggested alternatives and are not constructive in nature. I'll back Skorp up on that one. He in no way said that all other threads were useless, just that this is a shining example of a thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista. Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 i like the attribute averages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alec_Fergetitson Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I just want SI to enable players faces to be shown on the tactics screen like they do on sky sports. If ppl aren't into getting facepacks then have an option to disable them at start-up. Andy Gray has a lot of fun playing with his line up graphics and I want to emulate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horbury Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I just want to add my endorsement to the great ideas Stan has shown us. I agree with posters that have said that having the players' pics on the tactics screen would make it too cluttered, but evrything else looks great and would make it easier (and more entertaining) to see key information. I have to disagree with people that call this "fluff". Aesthetics are important!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wegason Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 These are absolutely brilliant suggestions for improvements to the FM 'feel'. Like others it probably over uses player faces but the injury graphic, discipline graphic and below league table graphics are great suggestions and very well thought out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eshaan Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Is there absolutely no way a skin of this can be made? It would be one of the best things to happen to fm! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I don't think it is possible/has been explored yet. If it is not part of the default skins for FM10, hopefully they make it an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I like all the text If there are going to be lots of small graphics replacing existing format, can it be optional? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Sad man, I guess there would be for people who don't/are unable to download graphics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 All Skorp was doing was praising this thread and the OP for actually coming up with suggestions. He was, at the same time, criticising threads that are critical of the game, but don't come up with any suggested alternatives and are not constructive in nature. I'll back Skorp up on that one. He in no way said that all other threads were useless, just that this is a shining example of a thread. Skorp is a "he" ? Never knew that tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeNah Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Well this isnt something that can be fixed by a skin but... I mean this is a total overhaul of all graphics to do with the game. The more I look at it the more I feel these sort of upgrades will make the game expereince much much better. Lets use an analogy here. I go eat at a resturant. The food is terrific, the service is amazing, it costs little more then Maccas and you get free parking all night smack bang in the middle of CBD. HOWEVER BOOM the waitresses/waiters look like love child of Golem and Sherk... How does your food go down? We all know FM>Fifa. HOWEVER I think with the graphics upgrade will make it more appealing to the general public, which means more buyers, more money for company to make better game etc... Also with fresh graphics it would mean the overall experience while already great, will be even better!!! BOOM! Dont smash the bloke, I think he made a really good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeNah Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I like all the text If there are going to be lots of small graphics replacing existing format, can it be optional? The guy doesnt mean he'll replace all text with graphics, if you looked at his ideas you'll see that its not replacing but making more effective the use of any text now and adding addiotioanl graphics making the overall gameplay, ambeience and expereince much better for all playing the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwtralha Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 do you marry me StanPetrov ? btw, I love that ss's, the avg atribute .. everything. is it possible to make a skin ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeNah Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Stan my friend you have inspired to make my own post, I think our ideas are sort of realated... Take a look? http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=116311 Cheers, ReeNah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackemforever Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Personally i feel FM to have just about every feature you could possibly want in a football management sim. However, i find there is still something lacking.I beleive FM would greatly benefit from a design overhaul - less text, more graphics. Attributes Attribute Alternative Colour Match Flow Overview Table Tactics I really like these except for the final one, the match one. The reason I don't like it is because of one thing, the idea of showing player pictures. It is too large and you would get big problems with players who don't have a picture in the database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeNah Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 OBVIOUSLY there is a reason why there isnt all the players photos in profiles. However, what is this reason exactly? Everyone adds them in later with facepacks and stuff... Is it copy right issues? Puzzled, ReeNah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambi Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 They were the most beautiful things I've ever seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmufcwafc Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 All of those are fantastic, something I'd really like to see in future FM's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviegman Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I have to say some of that is very impressive and makes the game a lot more appealing on the eye. The only problem I have is that when your players dont have a pic the tactics screen might look a little stupid. Overall very good work stanpetrov. I like................I said I liiiiiiiikkkeee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLatics Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Just seen this thread, they're amazing! Good work matey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonini90 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixG Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 IMO I wouldn't like this, i think it'd make FM appear "gimmicky"...not for me personally! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danish chelsea Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 IMO I wouldn't like this, i think it'd make FM appear "gimmicky"...not for me personally! May be it will be better if two skins are available.. One similar to the present for users like you and one with more graphics for users like me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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