james170288

Does dynamic league reputation improve the quality of the newgens?

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Does anyone know whether when a nations league rep is increased the quality of the newgens also increase?

And if it does or does not, should it. For example; the EPL is one of the biggest in the world, but English players are not that good, but I was hoping to improve the danish league and then get better Danish newgens and win the world cup.

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[quote name='james170288']but English players are not that good.[/QUOTE]


Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams

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Only indirectly.
Better reputation->Better money->Better youth and training facilities. And that's the way it should be IMO.
I would dispute the fact that "English players are not that good". They're overpriced, and national team consistently underperform, but there's plenty of decent English players.

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[quote name='Andyfm5']Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams[/QUOTE]

If they were that good then why are the so called top 4 (especially Arsenal) full of foreigners?

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[quote name='trekman']If they were that good then why are the so called top 4 (especially Arsenal) full of foreigners?[/QUOTE]

Irrelevant, historically England have always produced a (at least) good national team....

But to go back to answering the question im not so sure it should, look at Brazil/Argentina for examples of countries with not great leagues in terms of reputation but world class national teams

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"If they were that good then why are the so called top 4 (especially Arsenal) full of foreigners?"

Uh, Inter Milan don't have a single Italian player in the first team, but they did ok in the 2006 world cup...

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[quote name='Andyfm5']Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams[/QUOTE]

England are behind most European/South American nations technically, its only the physical nature of their players that help them win against the poorer nations, as soon as they play anyone with quality they get beat. Poor English coaching/scouting methods are to blame, putting height and physical characteristics above technical ability, Hence why ENgland have no true world class players, just media hyped overratted and overpayed players.
Paul Scholes was the last true World class player we had, and was forced into retirement after being played out of position to accomodate Gerrard and Lampard. The Media hye up Wayne Rooney as some sort of god, but in truth he barely outscored Darren Bent last year and Rooney plays in a team that creates far more chances. England Suck

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Please use the football forum if you want to discuss real-life football.

Back on topic - I've read that reputation plays some part so that should help once you've raised the leagues and clubs rep, also asPraczy said, the better the league the more money you will get which should lead to better facilities for your club and others. Of course, there's also luck to factor in so while it's probably possible, it won't be guaranteed.

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[quote name='Neji'] the better the league the more money you will get which should lead to better facilities for your club and others. Of course, there's also luck to factor in so while it's probably possible, it won't be guaranteed.[/QUOTE]

How will you end up with more money? Does League Rep affect TV money etc? What will be the revenue streams that increase with rep?
Sorry for all the questions but i dont really understand how it willl work

Thanks
S2008

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[quote name='Andyfm5']Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams[/QUOTE]


Please cut out the personal comments.

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It will not improve newgens, but as teams improve and their youth set-ups, they will produce better newgens.

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[quote name='Andyfm5']Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams[/QUOTE]

**** off you little *****. The EPL is the best in the world, but there are not many great English players and my opinion isn't based on one world cup its based on average performances in all competitions since 1990.

Thank you Neji for actually answering the question, unlike most pricks on this forum who just like to hide behind their keyboard and argue because in real life they don't have the balls to do so.

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[quote name='S2008']How will you end up with more money? Does League Rep affect TV money etc? What will be the revenue streams that increase with rep?
Sorry for all the questions but i dont really understand how it willl work[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I believe TV money rises along with league reputation.

As FrazT said let's put an end to the namecalling and keep it on topic.

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[quote name='Fabio MVP']It will not improve newgens, but as teams improve and their youth set-ups, they will produce better newgens.[/QUOTE]

I think it will Fabio, if my memory is correct.................

The quality of newgens is partly affected by club reputation, as well as the facilities. Club rep is capped at a level relevant to the league rep (for example Partizan couldn't attain a rep of 9500), and as the leagues rep rises so too could the maximum achievable by a club in that league - thereby possibly improving their newgens.

Apologies if my understanding is wrong mate.

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[quote name='TheMister']I think it will Fabio, if my memory is correct.................

The quality of newgens is partly affected by club reputation, as well as the facilities. Club rep is capped at a level relevant to the league rep (for example Partizan couldn't attain a rep of 9500), and as the leagues rep rises so too could the maximum achievable by a club in that league - thereby possibly improving their newgens.

Apologies if my understanding is wrong mate.[/QUOTE]
I do understand you. And that's a valid opinion, but I think that Miles Jacobson explained that question by saying, that improved league reputation won't mean that better newgens will be created. It will mean that the clubs will be improved, have better facilities etc. what will lead to creating better newgens.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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@Fabio

I think we both mean the same thing. But can I put it this way to confirm.......

A club with a reputation of 9500, a youth set-up of 20 and an academy, has more chance to produce better newgens than a club with the same facilities but a reputation of only 7000?

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[quote name='TheMister']@Fabio

I think we both mean the same thing. But can I put it this way to confirm.......

A club with a reputation of 9500, a youth set-up of 20 and an academy, has more chance to produce better newgens than a club with the same facilities but a reputation of only 7000?[/QUOTE]

If true, it would be a travisty!

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[quote name='TheMister']@Fabio

I think we both mean the same thing. But can I put it this way to confirm.......

A club with a reputation of 9500, a youth set-up of 20 and an academy, has more chance to produce better newgens than a club with the same facilities but a reputation of only 7000?[/QUOTE]

I think they're both interdependable. The stronger performance of sides > The increase in league reputation > The ability of said sides to increase their reputation further than previously > The emergence of better newgens

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[quote name='TheMister']@Fabio

I think we both mean the same thing. But can I put it this way to confirm.......

A club with a reputation of 9500, a youth set-up of 20 and an academy, has more chance to produce better newgens than a club with the same facilities but a reputation of only 7000?[/QUOTE]
You are right, this is the case. I suppose the logic is that bigger clubs find recruitment of young players easier. Chelsea and Reading have similar scouting bases in Reading, but the kids only choose Reading over Chelsea if they support them, whereas the Man United fans would rather go to Chelsea, the big club.

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[quote name='Andyfm5']Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams[/QUOTE]

No based on the fact that for a number of years now the PL has the lowest number of domestic players of all the makor leagues, and until the current rule change have done nothing about it. And the current rules don't really help if you're a manager with brains.

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[quote name='Brian Shanahan']No based on the fact that for a number of years now the PL has the lowest number of domestic players of all the makor leagues, and until the current rule change have done nothing about it. And the current rules don't really help if you're a manager with brains.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't mean that England doesn't produce good players

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[quote name='afced7']Doesn't mean that England doesn't produce good players[/QUOTE]

:thup: England clearly does have good players, underperformign players, but still good players nonetheless.

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[quote]No based on the fact that for a number of years now the PL has the lowest number of domestic players of all the makor leagues, and until the current rule change have done nothing about it. And the current rules don't really help if you're a manager with brains. [/quote]

Forcing teams in England to carry more English players won't improve the quality of English football. In economics, this idea is called 'import substitution,' and in regards to the Premiership, it's a fairly poisonous idea. If inferior players are handed jobs in Premier League teams, they have too little incentive to improve. English players already generally account for ~35% of playing time in the toughest league in the world, more than any other nationality. If anything, there are [i]too many[/i] Englishmen in the Premiership. The English national team would benefit from more top players playing abroad, escaping the rigours of the tough Premiership schedule that leave so many of them exhausted and hurt, while allowing them to bring back experience playing in other tactical systems against other skilled players.

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[quote name='Andyfm5']Based on the performance of a team at one world cup??

What an idiot.

England have always produced good teams over the years only brazil, argentina, italy and germany spring to mind as nations that have consistantly produced top quality players/teams[/QUOTE]

To be honest, the best youth production seems to come from Brazil, then Spain, then France, Argentina and Germany. Lastly Italy.

Brazil tends to produce and grow its own youth players and then ships them off to europe, Spain has always produced strong youth players and will continue to thanks to the formulation of their league. France has ALWAYS been one of the best youth productions, similarly to your arguments to leaving out England, i find it ironic that you leave out France. Argentina tend to have incredible youth but for them to become any famous, they either move to Brazil or spain and find teams there to develop them. Germany is an amazing league to grow up and they tend to always produce reliable and solid players. Italy seemed to lose its touch recently and its the only reason they are so far down the top list. They will always remain giants despite my harsh critism.

It is only after all of those, does England come in. This doesn't mean they are bad. They always produce quality players but they tend to be specialists. Players that teams need to support incredible talents. Rather than talented youngsters, they tend to be hard working, physical and intelligent players. It is very hard to find English players that present an essence of Flair. Exception being JCole.

Nothing wrong with lack of flair as it isn't the root of the game, but if they are ever interested in creating a top class team, they need to improve on this level. But I digress.

Thats my opinion.

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I certainly hope when the league improves players will as the teams will build better youth facilities. If not is sort of defeats the purpose of spending money on them.

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I think the national team reputation plays a big part in Newgens. Of course then the youth facilities come into consideration.

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[quote name='Andyfm5']What an idiot.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure that's the sort of reply the thread-maker was wanting, or deserved.

I do see where James is coming from - I think it [I]should[/I] be a part of the game; for example if Spain's league was utterly woeful in fifty years time, you would expect the quality of regens to suffer, and probably shouldn't expect players with the same class as Torres and co coming through the ranks, and this can work vice versa. :)

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