Pukey Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Joe Hart chatting to Shaqiri about his goal there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Glad with the 3 points, real shame that Capello will still play Lampard when he comes back for the next round of fixtures though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe__the__man Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Glad with the 3 points, real shame that Capello will still play Lampard when he comes back for the next round of fixtures though And shifting Gerrard to the left-hand side with Milner suspended. Would be absolutely gutted if he did that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthahols_for_Girls Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 what the hell is happening!!!!!!!!!!!! no lescott errors? wtf Joleon is a decent player when he has Jagielka telling him what to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Johnson looks very good, two goals in two games from the bench as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 And shifting Gerrard to the left-hand side with Milner suspended. Would be absolutely gutted if he did that. Didn't Gerrard play on the right at some point for england? Maybe we have him do that and then have johnson play on the left. Or maybe capello can grow some, ignore the egos and do what is actually working for the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Hammer Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Good solid win, Adam Johnson bringing his club form to international level such a cracking player , hopefully Lampard doesn't just walk back into the team, I'm sure Rio and Terry will which is a shame for Jagielka after a good 2 solid games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe__the__man Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 All depends on Walcott's possible injury. If he's out I'd have Lennon or Young in, or whoever's on form, and A.J. on the other wing. If he's not out, A.J. in for Milner and no need for any change tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 what the hell is happening!!!!!!!!!!!! no lescott errors? wtf is what happens when Jags is there to hold his hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Didn't Gerrard play on the right at some point for england? Maybe we have him do that and then have johnson play on the left. Or maybe capello can grow some, ignore the egos and do what is actually working for the team? Thats the midfield I'd go for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Good win, bit slack for their goal, 10 men, 2-0 up I think we thought it was job done, Gerrard kind of half-heartedly threw a leg out but didn't close the guy down. Hart had a mad few minutes as well but on the whole good win against a side with a supposedly uber tight defence, could have scored more. Glad Rooney scored, oops for Walcott and nice for Bent to get one too. Adam Johnson continues to impress as he did before the World Cup just hope he keeps playing for City, full of confidence atm. With Milner suspended for the next game no doubt Gerrard will be out left again and Lampard/Barry in the middle. Nice win for Montenegro away to Bulgaria last night as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Great performance really. So obvious Rooney would score. Awesome (none) celebration. God, I hope Gerrard doesn't move to the left. Would just seem a big step back. He can play there, but he doesn't want to, and we lose so much of his quality. Duke him out with Lampard. Only one can play, the competition between them should bring the best out of them. Adam Johnson MOTM really. Was awesome. Hopefully Walcott and Lennon will be in the next squad. One of those to replace Milner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 The only downer from last night, was after the England game, the pub I was in put the Scotland game on. If it wasn't for that 97th minute winner, I would of had a perfect night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Hopefully that pass by SWP will be the pass that sees him never wear an England shirt again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 SWP gonna start the next game Forgot that. When he had 2 team mates open in the box and he played it to the Swiss defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goater666 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I dont know what you're all on about, SWP easily the best player on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 is what happens when Jags is there to hold his hand. If anyone was trying to work it out, it's page 20 of the transfers and speculation thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 yeah should cearly be 2 out of Milner, A Johnson, Lennon, Walcott and Young (or SWP if really needed), + Barry and Gerrard or Lampard. Just makes no sense trying to fit them both in, we've looked so much better with proper wide players and Rooney and Defoe have been working well them. Also allows Rooney to drop a bit deeper centrally if we're getting overrun by a 5 man opposition midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I dont know what you're all on about, SWP easily the best player on the pitch. Best England midfielder at the World Cup if you believe the Capello Index..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Ah, that pass he should have squared for Bent to score and just totally 'blergh'ed it? Haha, the whole country probably said the same thing at the same time "f'ing SWP, what's he doing still playing for us". At least Bent got his goal, nicely taken too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Really happy for Bent. He's had a few chances and never really impressed for England. But hopefully now this goal will give him some confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Its funny because everyones raving about Adam Johnson at the moment and rightly so, but do people remember when SWP was the best right winger in the country and scored that amazing goal on his debut for England? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Adam Johnson a very different type of player though. Not at all in the SWP/Walcott/Young 'I'm quicker than you goodbye' model, but rather a player who is composed and clever on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Johnson's goal was lovely though. The build up was decent. Gerrard's first time through ball was perfect and it was a great finish, nice composure. In fact all the goals were fairly decent tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Which is true and I don't expect a similar end to his international career, its just crazy to see how far down SWP has gone in the eyes of supporters He never came back to us the same player as the one that left for Chelsea, he came back thinking he was some sort of complete all round player who should have time on the ball and create things. He was better when he was simply running at people and shooting from long range/edge of the box, you don't see him score from long range anymore when he was great at it in his first stint with us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I remember when he scored a good goal against Ukraine but I don't recall him being the best winger. Never liked the guy, so easy to defend against him as he's just pace and no trick whatsoever, knock it past the full back and them scamble over or around him as he steps across and invariably go nowhere. Heaven forbid there be more than one person in front of him. I liked Johnson from his move and seeing him a bit more, confident, looked like he belonged, no fear to speak of and also if you stand him up he can still go past you, either side too. It's crazy to think how little time has passed since Johnson's move to City and making that step up, what is that 6 or 7 months? Strange what happens when players are given the chance to play isn't it, who else is in the Championship that could make the grade in the Prem let alone the national side in less than a year, chances are someone else is there. Best signing City have made so far, dirt cheap cause of his contract just hope he can carry on playing regularly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Granted he was decent at City that first time but I was never convinced of him being 'replacement for Beckham' as basically anyone that played on the right seemed to be at some stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 tbf, at one point David Bentley looked like he was just a Beckham clone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 The season he signed for Chelsea he was the best right winger in the league easily. He had double figure goals in the PL and got in the PL TOTY, was robbed though for YPOTY by Scott Parker iirc. Chelsea spent £21m on him and they were nothing like we are now, they didn't just go and spend stupid money on someone because they wanted them. Don't agree that he didn't have any tricks, he was a fantastic dribbler and wasn't just about speed. He was also a good defender and helped the full back alot. He's just simply lost everything which was good about him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 A note of interest aswell regarding Adam Johnson, he's now scored more goals for England than he has for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 You know.....I'm all for Lampard and Gerrard playing together. Capello just needs to beat Lampard or Gerrard into staying back while the other moves forward. And if they can't do that, then Lampard comes off at half time (or gerrard if lamps is playing poorly). As for the wings.....can walcott play on the left? If so, lets have him play on the left and A.J. on the right.....or vice versa. We could always have SWP play I think we have something good going for us up front. Hopefully defoe will be fine. Im glad bent scored.....hopefully he can be useful up top if defoe is hurt. One thing I would like to say is that I would like to see huddlestone gets some time with the senior side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Gerrard was playing deep yesterday. I see no reason why he won't do that when Lampard is playing along side him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Couple of Twitter facts from OptaJoe: 1 - England have lost just one of their 17 competitive games with Gerrard starting without Lampard, winning 13. Divorce. 7 - S.Gerrard has assisted the most England goals (7) under Fabio Capello, followed by W.Rooney and G.Johnson (5 each). Creator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Gerrard was playing deep yesterday. I see no reason why he won't do that when Lampard is playing along side him He wasn't playing that deep, and was playing alongside a deeper player (Barry). He's not gonna play as defensivly/deep as Barry does, and Lampard certainly isn't. Just don't see the poitn of Gerrard + Lampard when Barry + either of them is a better option. Basically, while Lampard may be one of the best midfielders we have, the team is better without him in it, given that'll he be 34 (??) by the Euros I don't see the issue in reducing his role. It's one thing playing them both against the teams we have in our group but once we get to the Euros and start facing tougher opponents a 34 year old Lamps and 32 year old Gerrard isn't going to be the best midfield paring. Would rather see them only play one at a time, which would also give the likes of Huddlestone, and hopefully Rodwell at some point, a chance in the middle. Infact when Walcott, Lennon, Johnson and Young (depending on form) are all fit Milner becomes a central option too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I think it's more that we can only play two of Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney, not that we can't play Lampard and Gerrard together. If Rooney gets injured, we could move Gerrard to his position behind the main striker and not need to worry about play Lampard IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 yeah, you're probably right TR. I'm just a big Lampard fan. In fact, I have no qualms with last night's team selection if it keeps getting these results. We also played some really good football last night, against a team who didn't even concede against the world champions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 yeah, you're probably right TR. I'm just a big Lampard fan. In fact, I have no qualms with last night's team selection if it keeps getting these results. We also played some really good football last night, against a team who didn't even concede against the world champions In fairness to the world champions, the Swiss approached the two games differently. They probably felt they could beat us, whereas they would have thought they'd need the sort of goal they ended up scoring in order to beat Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted September 8, 2010 Administrators Share Posted September 8, 2010 Couple of Twitter facts from OptaJoe: Predictably, here's the other side of the coin: P9 W7 D1 L1 F18 A7 in competitive games with just Lampard starting. Not that numbers alone mean anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 The raf pretty much said it. I don't see lamp or gerrard sitting as deep as barry usually does. Unless they were to get a seriouos tong lashing to do so..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiejohn Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 http://marshall matters.co.uk Hello people. Im writing a football blog on a site called Tumblr and am just trying to get some more viweres to it. im not spamming or anything just a blog i think people would enjoy reading, and knowing how passionate most of the Fm players are you guys are just the sort of fans id like to attract. im setting up a direct feed on my facebook and also a twitter to get more exposure. So have a look and if you enjoy message me and ill send you a link to my facebook or twiiter so you can follow or add. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I think it's more that we can only play two of Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney, not that we can't play Lampard and Gerrard together. If Rooney gets injured, we could move Gerrard to his position behind the main striker and not need to worry about play Lampard IMO. Perhaps, though personally in such a case I'd rather see Crouch start, though I can understand your point and don't necessarily disagree with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Perhaps, though personally in such a case I'd rather see Crouch start, though I can understand your point and don't necessarily disagree with it I think the defoe-rooney thing is going very well at the moment. And I am in the camp of 'if it aint broke, dont fix it' so.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Loads of paper reaction saying Lamps should be worried about being in the starting 11 now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Loads of paper reaction saying Lamps should be worried about being in the starting 11 now. Well in reality he should be worried. I think that capello might be something really good here and I don't think that just because Lampard's reputation should grant him an automatic starting spot in this team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 We said this after we beat Croatia 4-1 away 2 years ago. Our midfield was Joe Cole, Barry, Lampard and Walcott. Everyone said Gerrard could lose his place. Gerrard should be worried etc. Then we played Belarus and Gerrard was on the left. Considering under Capello, if fit, Lampard and Gerrard have always started. I wont believe it till I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 We said this after we beat Croatia 4-1 away 2 years ago. Our midfield was Joe Cole, Barry, Lampard and Walcott. Everyone said Gerrard could lose his place. Gerrard should be worried etc. Then we played Belarus and Gerrard was on the left. Considering under Capello, if fit, Lampard and Gerrard have always started. I wont believe it till I see it. That was a few years ago. Lampard is how old now? Also, I think Lampard will probably still walk into the team.....I just think that this shouldn't be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted September 8, 2010 Administrators Share Posted September 8, 2010 He's 32, but he's also one of those players where that's not an issue because of his immense fitness. Other issues, sure, but you can't throw his age around as a reason when the alternative is a more injury-prone 30 year-old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoham Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 The season he signed for Chelsea he was the best right winger in the league easily. He had double figure goals in the PL and got in the PL TOTY, was robbed though for YPOTY by Scott Parker iirc. Chelsea spent £21m on him and they were nothing like we are now, they didn't just go and spend stupid money on someone because they wanted them. Parker was brilliant back then. We were 4th in the league, had a real chance of Europe. Beat Chelsea 4-2 on Boxing Day and then they ended up signing him. Had the most tackles in the league from what I can remember, well over 100 I think it was. Our midfield didn't know what to do without him. I looked back the other day we were only something like 9 points off 4th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I think Gerrard and Lampard are interchangeable, although Gerrard seems to have notched up a few better performances for country for a while now than Lampard. I hate that we're too scared to bench big name players though, Spain have no issues having Fabregas, Torres etc. on the bench in the name of team balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 He's 32, but he's also one of those players where that's not an issue because of his immense fitness. Other issues, sure, but you can't throw his age around as a reason when the alternative is a more injury-prone 30 year-old. I mean I guess so..... At the end of the what I say won't really matter because he most likely will start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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