Crazy_T Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 and cleverley (and a minor re-shuffle in midfield) or someone (not gerrard) in for rooney for the opening games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I can understanding dropping Gerrard if his form doesn't pick up by the end of the season, but providing he's fit we have to take and start Bent ahead of Welbeck surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 well I don't really rate bent at this level. it's like watching a game of pinball when he's playing up front on his own. get the guy some sound effects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hart Richards Terry Cahill Cole Parker Wilshere Sturridge Rooney (Scholes for first 2 games, yeah) Young Bent I like that on paper but the fact that it has 3 Chelsea defenders considering how dreadful they've been seems wrong so maybe Smalling in there. If Bent is still out then I guess the only option is Welbeck. Carrick if Wilshere is still injured too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I'm not sure if Welbeck is a better finisher then Bent at the moment. Bent had a very good year last year. Since the WC, he's scored 4 goals in 7 games for England (2 of those games he came off the bench). He's shown when given chances he's capable of scoring at this level. He's never going to win golden boot but he's capable of getting 2/3 goals this Euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Ah, looks like Rooney has recovered in time for the weekend. I had a sneaky feeling he might. Probably didn't need him in the squad all things considered but it's good he got 'better' in time for the weekend though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Button Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Ah, looks like Rooney has recovered in time for the weekend. I had a sneaky feeling he might. Probably didn't need him in the squad all things considered but it's good he got 'better' in time for the weekend though He missed the match against Ajax (I think) and Norwich for the same reason he didn't play against Holland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I know he did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Not appointing a new manager until the end of the season then. Hart Richards Jagielka Lescott Cole Parker Wilshere/Barry/Scholes Lennon Rooney Young Welbeck Gerrard, Terry and Ferdinand all not in the squad, I say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 No manager till the end of the season means it's Harry imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Yeah, of course. It's been inevitable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 This confirms it for me. You must be pretty confident of getting the right person if you are going to leave it till the end of the season. This is just so Harry can concentrate on Spurs without all the distractions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 rather have ox then sturridge on the wing. Sturridge is first choice for Chelsea and one of a very small number of guaranteed starters there. Chamberlain isn't as established, and isn't playing as well anyway. I would however consider Chamberlain as an option behind the striker if he gets regular time and neither Gerrard nor Lampard are in good form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hart Richards - Terry - Cahill - Cole Carrick - Parker Sturridge/Lennon/Walcott - Wilshere/Gerrard - Ox Welbeck is what I want for the first two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Sturridge is first choice for Chelsea and one of a very small number of guaranteed starters there. Chamberlain isn't as established, and isn't playing as well anyway.I would however consider Chamberlain as an option behind the striker if he gets regular time and neither Gerrard nor Lampard are in good form. Chamberlain = winger Sturridge = greedy striker played on the wing Assuming Chamberlain starts getting some proper playing time then he should be ahead in the pecking order for the right wing slot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Can Arteta still play for England or was that thrown out? I've forgotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Can Arteta still play for England or was that thrown out? I've forgotten.Thrown out on two counts. Breaches the gentleman's agreement and FIFA Law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 England's greatest goals on itv4 at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Platt's against Belgium is quite underrated tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Wilkins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Hart, 2 GKs Cole, Baines, Lescott, Smalling, Cahill/Jagielka, Richards, Jones Carrick, Parker, Gerrard/Lampard, Barry, Milner, Cleverley Young, Johnson, Welbeck, Sturridge, Rooney, Bent (if not fit Defoe or Chamberlain), Walcott/Lennon If Cleverley's form doesn't hold up or he's injured, Glen Johnson in for him. Hart Richards Lescott Smalling Cole Parker Carrick Young Rooney Johnson Welbeck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Sorry, swap Young and Johnson. Joe Cole worth a shout too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Thrown out on two counts. Breaches the gentleman's agreement and FIFA Law. Ah OK, shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 "yeah, we can wait until about a week and a half before the tournament starts before bringing a manager in" ... that doesn't sound like it can massively backfire, eh? I bloody hope they have had words with Harry already if that's who they want in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG17 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 To be fair it's not like Harry can do anything between now and the end of the season anyway even if he did take the job. He's hardly a foreign manager who needs to check players out and watch them. As dislikable as he is, he knows his football. If worse comes to worse and he turns the job down for whatever reason then they have Pearce who seems pretty professional enough to have a plan in place to pick a squad anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 That's what I mean, it's sort of 'ok' as long as it's Harry, if it's someone else then it's ridiculous so I hope they have actually had words with Harry and I suspect they haven't as that would involve common sense and planning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 That's what I mean, it's sort of 'ok' as long as it's Harry, if it's someone else then it's ridiculous so I hope they have actually had words with Harry and I suspect they haven't as that would involve common sense and planning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Bent out of the Euro's now. Probably. Shame, done well to finally force himself into the starting 11 and did superb last year. Lot of pressure of Welbeck now. Maybe room for Defoe in the squad now too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 englands greatest goals? is that a 2 minute programme with 58 minutes of beer adverts? pressure on welbeck? we shall see. if we progress he can work with rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Well, yes. He's 21, inexperienced, has like 2 caps and is likely to lead our front line and be our main goal threat for a major tournament. It's more pressure then he's had so far in his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Not saying he shouldn't play, or he wont be good enough. Just it's alot on his shoulders and I hope he can handle it. It's a pretty swift rise for the lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 in welbz we trust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'd love to see a midfield 3 of: parker Carrick - scholes Bring back the ginger prince. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Bring back the ginger prince. Steve Sidwell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 anyone heading out to the euros? just been offered tickets to england france but i imagine it's a bit of a logistical and monetary nightmare what with it being in donetsk. where the hell do i start seeing if it's feasible... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 My uncle who goes to every home England game isn't even bothering with these Euros because of the logistics and money. Plus in his words "the country is a ********". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Never been to Ukraine but I like the areas of Eastern Europe that I have frequented. Though I remember reading that the stadium in Donetsk holds 50,000 fans but the city only has half that number in hotel beds or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I wonder if a lot of people will stay in Poland like the team and the airlines will have more flights during the tournament or something, I also heard about the shortage of hotels in Donetsk, going to be awkward but as usual, English fans will be there, hoping ... dreaming ... crying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I'm going to the Sweden game and having a few days in Kiev. Couldn't be bothered with the others. Travel between Kiev and Donetsk looks horrendous and Donetsk itself looks like a hole, and by all accounts there is very little accommodation available. Somebody should tell UEFA that not everyone going to a tournament wants to squeeze onto a filthy campsite with 5,000 other idiots, as that appears to be their default solution. Apparently most of the half decent hotels in Donetsk were booked up months ago for sponsors and UEFA dignitaries. And to even meet UEFA's criteria in the first place and provide the requisite number of hotel beds, Donetsk's councillors have had to redraw the boundaries of the city and make it bigger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Defoe off to the Euros then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Got confirmation of my ticket allocation from UEFA yesterday The Sweden group game in Kiev, then "conditional" tickets for the QFs, SFs and final if we get through. Brilliantly I am charged up front for all four straightaway, and then if (when) we are knocked out a refund will find its way back to me in August for those tickets that I didn't end up using. Got to admire UEFA's balls with that. Mid-priced tickets for the final alone are nearly £300, so they basically sit on millions of pounds of fans' money for 4 months creaming off the interest, knowing full well that 14 out of 16 countries aren't going to make it through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 So if you don't use those tickets you're not lumbered then, they go back to be re-sold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Got to admire UEFA's balls with that. Mid-priced tickets for the final alone are nearly £300, so they basically sit on millions of pounds of fans' money for 4 months creaming off the interest, knowing full well that 14 out of 16 countries aren't going to make it through. Not a bad vig on their criminal empire, eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Dear Football Supporter, We would like to inform you that we successfully debited 650 EUR from your nominated credit card. Yeah, I bet you would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/22/england-euro2012-tickets Tickets still on sale for England games ... odd that considering the tales of there being no hotels and it being a million miles away. Looks like England fans won't get mugged off on this? Usually you can rely on our lot to basically travel anywhere. Wonder where the other games' sales are at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Ukraine matches look like a total disaster across the board. Just looking on the UEFA site now at which tickets are available (this is with a login to access UEFA's general sale, not specifically for England tickets which I can get through the FA membership scheme). Tickets available for 14 of the matches - 1 in Poland, 13 in Ukraine All three of England's group games are on there. Or put another way, 13 out of the 16 matches in Ukraine have now got tickets on general sale to allcomers. And 1 of the 3 that hasn't is the final, so that doesn't really count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Erm, Hoddle is talking himself up about the England job. Unfinished bussiness and stuff. Can't say I remember his time to well. My first memories as a proper England supporter we around Euro2000. We all know why he got sacked. His time was known for that 0-0 in Italy and Le Tournoi. WC98 was a bit disapointing, messing up the group stage. I do doubt the FA will turn to him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/glenn-hoddle-im-ready-to-be-englands-caretaker-at-the-euros-7584860.html Interview with Patrick Barclay, not sure what he's doing with the Independent, I know he got layed off from the Times in some cost cutting and I think he himself agreed that he got paid well and had a silly, important title. Not sure if he's working for the Independent now or it's a one off. He's ok but has some awfully silly ideas sometimes and is one of those 'diving isn't that bad' pundits. Hoddle was actually very good tactically, the qualifying campaign for '98 World Cup was very effective, didn't concede a goal away from home, only blip being home loss to Italy where he picked himself, oops, le Tiss and it sort of didn't work out for him (Walker beaten near post ) Man management was his failing, like the opposite of Keegan, good with the players but hopeless with everything else. It's not just he thinks the disabled deserve it (nutter ) but the fact he brought Drury in and had the players walking anti-clockwise around the pitch (something to do with 'energy') ... there's too much wacky stuff there tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolsgold Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Erm, Hoddle is talking himself up about the England job. Unfinished bussiness and stuff.Can't say I remember his time to well. My first memories as a proper England supporter we around Euro2000. We all know why he got sacked. His time was known for that 0-0 in Italy and Le Tournoi. WC98 was a bit disapointing, messing up the group stage. I do doubt the FA will turn to him though. To be fair, we did play really well under him. Our team was brilliant back then though I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Could do a lot worse than Hoddle. Tactically he was heads and shoulders above anyone we've tried since. Actually used to look at the opposition and work out a lineup and gameplan accordingly, rather just sticking out the XI that looked strongest on paper and hoping for the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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