Uquillas Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 8 teams in QF 4 from SA (out of 5) = 80% 3 from Europe (out of 13) = 23% 1 from Africa (out of 6) = 17% They should give SA an extra berth for next WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 2006 Europe romped SA. So no you don't deserve an extra spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Wrong. You can't base it on one WC, jeez - SA are technically getting an extra spot since Brazil are the hosts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 8 teams in QF4 from SA (out of 5) = 80% 3 from Europe (out of 13) = 23% 1 from Africa (out of 6) = 17% They should give SA an extra birth for next WC. Bollocks to that - you get roughly half the teams down there qualify for the World Cup - don't need more stinking the place out. If you ask me - they should remove the "5th Place Team Qualifying via a playoff" and give it to someone outright like North America or Africa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 compelling case, hard to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 No need to start this kind of discussion in another thread, and who knows if Germany, Holland and Spain won't knock-out Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay, leaving Europe with 3 teams in the semis vs up to 1 from South America (Uruguay, if they beat Ghana). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Oh FFS. Unneccessary thread from a notoriously pointless poster. Needs closing - we already have the nonsensical South America vs. Europe argument in that other thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uquillas Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 they should either take a spot from Africa or North America and give it to South America, we should have 6.5 teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 they should either take a spot from Africa or North America and give it to South America, we should have 6.5 teams That would be way too many, I think upping from 4.5 to 5 would be reasonable to get rid of those silly playoffs, but more than 5 looks an exaggeration and would make the Quals a bit pointless for most teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 they should either take a spot from Africa or North America and give it to South America, we should have 6.5 teams No you shouldn't. It should stay the same imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 6.5 spots out of 10 available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 It's berth by the way.[/spellingnazi] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 they should either take a spot from Africa or North America and give it to South America, we should have 6.5 teams Are you high on lighter fluid or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Got to admit, I'm disappointed by the European showing this summer. I think some of our teams in particular have been embarrassing - not just obvious examples like France and Italy but teams like Denmark and Portugal have been disappointing in their attitude to the tournament. That's a personal observation anyway. Still, hopefully they'll reassert themselves quite quickly on the tournament. Having said all that, I'd love an Argentina-Brazil final I'd give anything to be able to easily watch South American football on tele here. I think if it was given more exposure in Europe it would soon become popular. It's probably a British thing saying this as typically our attitude to the Europa League isn't that great, but I'd swap it anyday to see the Copa Libertadores. Channel 4 used to show highlights of it and it was brilliant, but away from Sky there's no way to see them now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Typical knee jerk reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Knee-jerk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Hello Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 8 teams in QF4 from SA (out of 5) = 80% 3 from Europe (out of 13) = 23% 1 from Africa (out of 6) = 17% They should give SA an extra birth for next WC. If it's an all South America semifinal, then maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Combine those North American and South American spots and have a big 'ol qualifiying love-in, South American teams must get fed up facing each other all the time and then ... yay, it's Copa America ... who we got, oh, Chile again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoolblowsme Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Think the playoff is fine, Uruguay beat Costa Rica in this particular playoff. Would rather have Uruguay than Costa Rica tbh. Let's completely disregard any other football matches and base berths into the WC on one Quarter Final where 50% of the teams are from South America and 37.5% are from Europe, well played Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK_GIFF Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I would love it, LOVE IT, if a European teams wins this WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Tbh can't see Europe doing much better in 2014. Southern hemishpere again. In South America. tropical climate. South America should be able to have a strong showing again. Quick glance at BBC weather, places are 30 degrees in Brazil around this time of the year. And you thought England's showing this year was bad. Wait till 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I would love it, LOVE IT, if a European teams wins this WC. Me too, and iirc would be the first time a European team wins a WC hosted outside Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Think the playoff is fine, Uruguay beat Costa Rica in this particular playoff. Would rather have Uruguay than Costa Rica tbh. It's not always South America vs CONCACAF though, depends where it's being held Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoolblowsme Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 It's not always South America vs CONCACAF though, depends where it's being held Oh, I thought that was how it always was. Apparently CONMEBOL played OFC in 2006, while CONCACAF played AFC. Why does it switch like that though? It was in Germany in '06 so why would it change from that to CONMEBOL vs CONCACAF and OFC vs AFC in '10? I can understand if it was being held in that particular confederation's country, but even in '02 AFC played UEFA. Very strange to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I think it all depends on where the host country is, sometimes Europe has a half spot, CONMEBOL always has one, not sure if that'll be 5 full spots or stick with 4 1/2 for Brazil 2014 as Brazil will obviously qualify automatically which would mean there are 3 1/2 spots to play for. I mean Kiwis played off against Bahrain for this too, Costa Rica could probably beat both of those. Not quite sure how they decide which federation will play which federation in these things but I am sure it changes depending on the host continent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoolblowsme Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Yea I knew New Zealand played Bahrain. I just assumed it the confederations that were close in location would play a qualifier. Oceania closer to Asia (because of Australia) and North America closer to South America. Then if the WC was played in a South/North American or Oceanic/Asian country then it would just take away one spot from that particular qualifying confederation because of the host. FIFA always confuse me, this is no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 No European team has won the World Cup outside of continental Europe except England at home in 1966. Why would they start now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blurps11 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Tbh can't see Europe doing much better in 2014. Southern hemishpere again. In South America. tropical climate. Completely different from South African climate. What's your point ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Completely different from South African climate. What's your point ? No European team has won the World Cup outside of continental Europe except England at home in 1966. Why would they start now? Seems to apply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 So you outperform Europe in 1 World Cup and all of a sudden you a superior, or are you choosing to forget when Europe raped South America in 2006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Completely different from South African climate. What's your point ? What? I know. My point was South American teams will probably do well next WC too because it is in....... South America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Yeah. Next WC will be a straight battle between Brazil and the Argies imo and Chile will be a bigger force to be reckoned with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarian Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 8 teams in QF4 from SA (out of 5) = 80% 3 from Europe (out of 13) = 23% 1 from Africa (out of 6) = 17% They should give SA an extra birth for next WC. The way you have chosen to respresent the statistics is slightly biased. Europe has a lot more teams involved to start with so even if all eight teams left in the competition were European they'd only manage 8/13 = 62%. The six European teams in the last 16 also all played each other so there was no way for more then three to get through, if the South American teams had played each other they would also have only three teams left in the competition. Looking at the QF match ups there is a decent chance that no South American teams will make it to the SF. So if Germany, Spain, and the Netherlands all win it will be alright for people to start saying that Europe should have more berths next time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 You're trying logic with this fella? *chortle* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venn Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Completely different from South African climate. What's your point ? I wouldn't say completely. Northern Brazil, yeah, but southern? It's pretty much the same latitude iirc. At least I find it interesting that in Buenos Aires we've been having pretty much the same weather as in Port Elizabeth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tele Santana Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 About the weather...you could argue that a cool weather is possible in Porto Alegre and, to some extent, Curitiba. Once in a (very long...) while, you´d find Sao Paulo cold as well - but very unlikely to compare with Johannesburg. And that´s it. But despite WC 14 being placed in the Winter in Brazil, I honestly think the temperatures will be way warmer than in South Africa. And possibly hotter than most of the German cities of 06. Cheers, Tele Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Yea I knew New Zealand played Bahrain.I just assumed it the confederations that were close in location would play a qualifier. Oceania closer to Asia (because of Australia) and North America closer to South America. Then if the WC was played in a South/North American or Oceanic/Asian country then it would just take away one spot from that particular qualifying confederation because of the host. FIFA always confuse me, this is no different. North America isn't necessarily closer to South America. Washington DC is much closer to London or Paris than it is to Buenos Aires or Santiago de Chile. Los Angeles is closer to Tokyo than it is to Buenos Aires as well. I'm all for a world qualifying anyway, if all the South American internationals playing in European leagues can fly back home for the qualifiers I don't see why an entire team couldn't fly from one continent to another. Cost is a BS excuse, 30 plane tickets to go around the world really don't cost that much and we're talking about the richest sporting organization in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoolblowsme Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 North America isn't necessarily closer to South America. Washington DC is much closer to London or Paris than it is to Buenos Aires or Santiago de Chile. Los Angeles is closer to Tokyo than it is to Buenos Aires as well.I'm all for a world qualifying anyway, if all the South American internationals playing in European leagues can fly back home for the qualifiers I don't see why an entire team couldn't fly from one continent to another. Cost is a BS excuse, 30 plane tickets to go around the world really don't cost that much and we're talking about the richest sporting organization in the world. I guess if you put it in that sense, location is different. World Qualifying? I think each confederation wants to be represented in some way. If you were from Asia and not one Asian team qualified, a lot less people would watch it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I guess if you put it in that sense, location is different.World Qualifying? I think each confederation wants to be represented in some way. If you were from Asia and not one Asian team qualified, a lot less people would watch it. Give an automatic berth to the holder of each continental competition to guarantee at least one entrant per confederation then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Yeah. Next WC will be a straight battle between Brazil and the Argies imo and Chile will be a bigger force to be reckoned with. Casually ignoring Spain:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Casually ignoring Spain:D I genuinely don't see them doing anything in 4 years time, really dunno why. Im gonna make an early prediction and say Spain will go out in the quarter finals in Brazil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Ignoring Spain but bigging up "where is the goal again" Chile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Meh, that's just incidental... To be fair Paraguay has NO BUSINESS in a WC quarterfinal... They have lucked out so much it's not even a "fairytale" anymore... Italy's sorry excuse for a team offered Paraguay the 1st place in the group on a silver platter, and they BARELY got it. Then they faced the other weakest team that got promoted, another team that was there more due to other teams' shortcomings [Cameroon and Denmark] than due to their own merit. Paraguay are playing some sort of anti-football... Something so defensive and ugly not even the most mediocre Italian side would resort to. And they can't even play counterattack, with those awful strikers... Then there's Uruguay... another side which, with a different draw, and with a less ridiculous France team, wouldn't have had such a relatively easy way to the QF. So, before advocating this of that confederation to get more WC spots, we should put the results into perspective... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Meh, that's just incidental...To be fair Paraguay has NO BUSINESS in a WC quarterfinal... They have lucked out so much it's not even a "fairytale" anymore... Italy's sorry excuse for a team offered Paraguay the 1st place in the group on a silver platter, and they BARELY got it. Then they faced the other weakest team that got promoted, another team that was there more due to other teams' shortcomings [Cameroon and Denmark] than due to their own merit. Paraguay are playing some sort of anti-football... Something so defensive and ugly not even the most mediocre Italian side would resort to. And they can't even play counterattack, with those awful strikers... Then there's Uruguay... another side which, with a different draw, and with a less ridiculous France team, wouldn't have had such a relatively easy way to the QF. So, before advocating this of that confederation to get more WC spots, we should put the results into perspective... I don't agree with anything you say here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I don't agree with anything you say here. Care to explain why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 tbh he's right about Paraguay. not been amazing. Got a bit lucky. I mean they've drawn their last 2 games 0-0 with NZ and Japan ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Care to explain why? The fact that Italy were not a good team is not Paraguay's fault. Nobody expects Paraguay to be world beaters - they've never advanced beyond the 2nd round of a World Cup before. They comfortably beat Slovakia and played out a dead rubber with New Zealand - a game they only had to draw to progress. That's efficient, not lucky. Thereafter they played a Japan team who were solid against Cameroon, unlucky against Holland and devastating against Denmark and who I think were probably favoured over them, but were able to hold them off and probably edged the game in terms of chances and creativity. They then scored every penalty, so you can't criticise them for that. As for awful strikers, I think Benfica fans would disagree. Admittedly Santa Cruz seems off the pace, but they still have skillful players and deserve at least as much credit as Chile have received, in my view. Uruguay have been impressive throughout the tournament, solid at the back and creative in attack. To say a harder draw would have given them harder games is silly, the same could be said of every team in the competition! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 tbh he's right about Paraguay. not been amazing. Got a bit lucky. I mean they've drawn their last 2 games 0-0 with NZ and Japan ffs They didn't need to beat NZ though, and Japan are a really good side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Rock Stars Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 paraguay have been lucky, but then every single world cup you'll get teams who get an easy/easier path, or who get through despite not playing brilliantly, or who get lucky in some other way. germany's route to the final last time they reached it was **** easy. it's not as if paraguay should just turn round and just offer their place up to the ivory coast or some other team who've been unlucky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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