Razzler Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 What is dangerous about Ozil is not neccessarily who he is, but where he plays. If we play our normal 442, we'll have trouble from him. We always have hassle with players playing between the lines and where/when to pick him up and who, you'd hope this is something we'll be working on from now until sunday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 with gerrard monging into the middle ashley cole should be flying down our left, you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 It's a big game our experience will shine. Germany are going to brick it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Kick and rush Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Inexperienced but still quality side you do wonder if all this stuff Beckenbaur has been coming out with is kind deflecting away from the game itself and putting all the press on him and what he's saying (kick and rush / England burnt out, etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 i think its criminal that gerrard keeps getting played on the left tbf. hes been a better player than lumpard this tournament playing out of position, how much better would he be in the middle ffs??? when we go out of this tournament i will be highlighting this point again. pretty much think heskey will be back for this game in a familiar 4-4-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Heskey back? Don't say that lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Article about Rooney and someone going with that whole altitude thing. Interesting stat mentioned in there that Rooney's last involvement in an England goal in a tournament was Jun '04 in the Euros, I know he's been injured but that's scoring or assisting or anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongtom Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Terrys-Defensive-Dive-England-vs-Slovenia/104186742965439?v=wall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Mark Bright just said that he wouldn't swap any German players for any English players. Has he seen Lahm or Ozil? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Terrys-Defensive-Dive-England-vs-Slovenia/104186742965439?v=wall Hahaha thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 2 World Wars and 1 World Cup. Everyone remember that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud van Nistelrooy Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 i think its criminal that gerrard keeps getting played on the left tbf. hes been a better player than lumpard this tournament playing out of position, how much better would he be in the middle ffs???when we go out of this tournament i will be highlighting this point again. pretty much think heskey will be back for this game in a familiar 4-4-2 Why is it criminal to play someone who is perfectly capable of playing on the left on the left over someone who is not at all capable of playing there. Gerrard did fine out there against Slovenia, mainly because he decided to hold his position for a change, coming inside only when he was actually required to. If he can do that again against Germany, he is pretty effective out there. Lampard's been the form player this season, and has been performing better than Gerrard for a good few seasons now. Far better at keeping possession too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckyRover Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Speaking too much sense there Ruud. What you should be saying is: 4-5-1! Gerrard can't play on left. Joe Cole is the best player in the world!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 4-4-2 worked fine yesterday and in qualifying. Yes I was one of the people that wanted 4-5-1, but I hate how the media just had a complete spazzfest over Gerrard on the left, when they were hailing Capello for putting him on the left and getting Lampard and Gerrard playing well, not so long ago. If we play similar to how we did against Slovenia we have a good chance of getting through, its a pretty even match up I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 2 World Wars and 1 World Cup. Everyone remember that. Whats the world wars got to do with anything? World war references really annoy me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 USA haven't even won a world cup anyway, I don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 2 World Wars and 1 World Cup. Everyone remember that. And Eurovision 1976! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Now that is relevant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikos Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 4-4-2 worked fine yesterday and in qualifying. Yes I was one of the people that wanted 4-5-1, but I hate how the media just had a complete spazzfest over Gerrard on the left, when they were hailing Capello for putting him on the left and getting Lampard and Gerrard playing well, not so long ago.If we play similar to how we did against Slovenia we have a good chance of getting through, its a pretty even match up I think. Aside from about 25 minutes in two spells we were still pretty dire against Slovenia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I've lived through several England vs Germany fixtures in my lifetime, I really don't think my nerve's will hold out for another 90 mins plus. It's the hope that kills you!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 The euro 96 match was the first match I ever really watched. Aside from that, in competitive games- 1-0 to us in Euro 2000, 5-1 in 2001 and we beat them in a recent friendly. So helps explain why I'm quite confident! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 So helps explain why I'm quite confident!I'd be confident too, if I wasn't so terrified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 We have the chance to beat Germany and Argentina. What more could you ask for? Payback never ends! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Mark Bright just said that he wouldn't swap any German players for any English players.Has he seen Lahm or Ozil? thinking about it, theres not many german guys id have over our current starting lineup, but then if i was german, id say the same thing, we are fairly evenly matched in quite a few areas Id probably prefer James over Neuer, purely for his experience, Neuer has looked a little shakey at times, Lahm over Johnson probably, purely because lahm isnt a liability in defense, Cole over Badstuber easily, would probably take Mertesacker and Terry in central defence over Carragher and Freidrich Barry v Khedira is a close one, but would choose Barry, Ozil over Lampard, Lennon over Muller, Gerrard over Podolski, Rooney over Schweinsteiger, though rooneys form is a concern and a toss up between klose and defoe, though i imagine klose would probably shade it, if its heskey instead of defoe then definitly Klose so thats seven english players and 4 germans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I'd take Klose over Rooney any day in an International tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pires777 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Oh Cole will have him! Lahm is very good but hes a bit slow. Ahh thats it. Been reading your crap for a bit now...but this is the one. I'll assume you havent watched much football outside of the premier league. If you did, you would know Lahm is very quick and should Gerrard choose to go wondering around and not track him....:o Also, Ozil is on a different level to Gerrard and Lampard...sorry to burst your bubble. Infact, I would argue all their midfielders are head and shoulders above any of yours (either in effectiveness or just being better). I do agree with you though. If you play 4-5-1 with Rooney up front on his own...you are going home. I also dont think you will be able to rely on the odd set piece to get you out of jail. I think Lahm and Podolski are the only German players under 6 feet. This probably means that if the Germans score first its pretty much over....unless of course England actually decide to play some football. Good luck guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well if Pires has written us off that must mean there's a very good chance of us beating Germany then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I've lived through several England vs Germany fixtures in my lifetime, I really don't think my nerve's will hold out for another 90 mins plus. It's the hope that kills you!!! Pretty much what he said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well we can all expect a good epic performance, but a brave defeat at the end! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 That Terry/Hand of God picture is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Penalty takers picked ... Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Milner and Barry ... in theory a good line up for spot picks tbh. Just don't let Defoe near them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 JD has missed so many penalties for us, greedy git. Though did score his most recent one against Chelsea. Keeps saying he would take one, but lets hope Capello keeps the bugger away. Looks like he is going to start, so I doubt he would last 120 mins. Don't get me wrong, I love Defoe- just not for penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Penalty takers picked ... Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Milner and Barry ... in theory a good line up for spot picks tbh. Just don't let Defoe near them Surprised Ashley Cole isn't in that list tbh. I'd probably have him around the 1st 3 for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I think I want penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I think I want penalties. Are you crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Surprised Ashley Cole isn't in that list tbh. I'd probably have him around the 1st 3 for England. I agree but would be happy with those 5 and then perhaps Ashley Cole next. Saying that though Lampard and Gerrard both missed in the last World Cup against Portugal didn't they? You can never tell. Pick a freaking corner and hit it at pace just inside the post. Anyone putting it down the middle, giving the keeper 'the eyes' or trying to hit it high and knocking it over should be dropped from the squad eternity! You can't 'practice' pens and re-create the environment but you can make it 2nd nature to hit it just inside the post, no need for decision making when you step up to take it, it's already in your head. This is what I would be drumming into them now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I think I want penalties. Really want to win it the hard way Germans on pens, Argies via hand ball, out pass Spain and crush Brazil! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 25, 2010 Author Share Posted June 25, 2010 I agree but would be happy with those 5 and then perhaps Ashley Cole next.Saying that though Lampard and Gerrard both missed in the last World Cup against Portugal didn't they? You can never tell. Pick a freaking corner and hit it at pace just inside the post. Anyone putting it down the middle, giving the keeper 'the eyes' or trying to hit it high and knocking it over should be dropped from the squad eternity! You can't 'practice' pens and re-create the environment but you can make it 2nd nature to hit it just inside the post, no need for decision making when you step up to take it, it's already in your head. This is what I would be drumming into them now Thing is against Portugal (can't remember if this was 04/06 or both), but I remember us scoring a lot of penalties down the centre. I have no problem with a player missing down the centre if they hit it with conviction, as it has proved to be an increasingly successful penalty recently and makes GK's think about diving or not, which of course makes it easier to stick one in the corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Argies via hand ball, Nah, what I'd like is Rooney to punch it in by accident but to own up to it and have the goal chalked off. Then he smashes the winner 2 mins later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 You don't need to make the keeper question whether he should dive or not, you're then getting into 'what if he doesn't move much or stands up' ... pointless. What is proven is if you hit it just inside the post at pace, side footed, it's incredibly, incredibly difficult to save it even if the keeper does guess the correct way. This takes out any form of decision making standing in front of the ball and also takes out any variables about 'what if the keeper does this/that' ... doesn't matter what the keeper does, forgot the keeper in a penalty, you're not out-foxing him, you hit inside the post at a decent pace it's a goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 The pens we missed in the last World Cup were rubbish, back to Euros and Vassel's neither here nor there penalty too. What's annoying in the Euros is they missed before us I think, we had the advantage ... aaaaahhhh, I don't even want to think about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Penalty takers picked ... Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Milner and Barry ... in theory a good line up for spot picks tbh. Just don't let Defoe near them Confident on Gerrard Lamps, Roon and Barry. Think these are mentally strong enough to do it and have 85% conversion rate with maybe Rooney a little lower. Not sure about Milner? Does he takes pens for Villa? Plus side we have James in goal who has saved a few for Portsmouth if I remember correctly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/24/james-milner-david-beckham-england Beckham gave Milner a pep talk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millsy Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Confident on Gerrard Lamps, Roon and Barry. Think these are mentally strong enough to do it and have 85% conversion rate with maybe Rooney a little lower. Not sure about Milner? Does he takes pens for Villa?Plus side we have James in goal who has saved a few for Portsmouth if I remember correctly Yeah, Milner is a great penalty taker. I'm a Man Utd fan and his goal against us in the Carling Cup Final was perfect...right in the corner...keep had no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Confident on Gerrard Lamps, Roon and Barry. Think these are mentally strong enough to do it and have 85% conversion rate with maybe Rooney a little lower. Not sure about Milner? Does he takes pens for Villa?Plus side we have James in goal who has saved a few for Portsmouth if I remember correctly Milner has taken plenty of pens for Villa and also took them for England U21s before, he did miss against Sweden though but generally he's steady. Barry seems confident. Agree about Rooney, most likely to just blast it down the middle and can see that banging off a keepers knee or something :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Joe Hart to come on in the 119th minute if it goes to penalites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Yeah, he took one in Sweden, put it in nicely. Can't be worse than bringing Carragher on to take one against Portugal "he did so well in training" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 ffs stop talking about penalties I'm nervous enough as it is without imagining Rooney doing a Baggio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 6th and 7th has to be be Carrick and J. Cole. Not sure how Joe Cole is at pens. I know Ashley Cole has taken pens during Chelsea shoot outs and he's been successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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