Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Am I the only one who wants more ways to punish a player for constant yellow / red cards or discipline problems? For example I have a RB who has collected a whopping 15 yellow cards in 22 games this season, and 4 of them have been for giving away a penalty. I would like the option to be able to have a personal talk to him and warn him that if he continues to get cards and doesnt improve his behaviour he will be benched or even transfer listed. It seems all we can do is issue a warning or a fine which has no ramifications for players anyway. What do you guys think about adding more options? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunkOfJunk Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Sounds like a good idea to, I would more than welcome it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MokBull Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Am I the only one who wants more ways to punish a player for constant yellow / red cards or discipline problems? For example I have a RB who has collected a whopping 15 yellow cards in 22 games this season, and 4 of them have been for giving away a penalty. I would like the option to be able to have a personal talk to him and warn him that if he continues to get cards and doesnt improve his behaviour he will be benched or even transfer listed. It seems all we can do is issue a warning or a fine which has no ramifications for players anyway. What do you guys think about adding more options? Waterboarding FTW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Waterboarding FTW I was thinking of something like Braniac's electric chair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Barry-Manilow-Songs-And-Barney-Theme-Used-To-Punish-Noisy-People-In-Fort-Lupton-Colorado/Article/200811415161978 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Barry-Manilow-Songs-And-Barney-Theme-Used-To-Punish-Noisy-People-In-Fort-Lupton-Colorado/Article/200811415161978 Thats's just evil but funny as hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 But yeah, I agree with the OP - I think some work in this area would be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yeah more punishment options defo! I'm having the exact same problems! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
William.Hua Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Good idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabregas_04 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 +1 Needs added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Maybe we can make them do extra laps at training like boot camp!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Maybe we can make them do extra laps at training like boot camp!!!! I'll second that, plus press-ups and sit-ups! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Or perhaps hold your team talks on the pitch? Maybe not the best idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I find it strange that a manager doesnt get the option to ban a player for a certain amount of time. I know I can rest him any time but you would get more of a disappointed parent feel if you punished him by banning him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hmm.. Perhaps rather than (or as well as) a fine for not turning up to training, you tell them not to bother turning up at all until they apologise? Brainstorming here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Good idea Hershie but instead of apologising to you they should make an apology to the whole team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Would like to see what the guys from SI think about these ideas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Good idea Hershie but instead of apologising to you they should make an apology to the whole team. Perhaps. Maybe the option to make them train alone until they change their ways? (temperament, unprofessionality etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I remember having a player who skipped training twice in 2 months and all I could do was fine him. As he wasnt one of my first team players I really wanted to sack him just to make an example for my other players to follow but no I couldnt do that. Im sure that if a player skipped training twice in 2 months IRL then the manager would take a much firmer stance than dishing out a fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would also like to see an option where you would be able to fine a player for no reason whatsoever. In this way, you can quickly get rid of the player if he does not want to move away from your club. I remember that in the old CM days, this option was available but I do not know why SI had to remove this option! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieronbrown73 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I also feel that this could be an area for further development, My ideas - 1. Ability to set up a diciplinary model at the start of each season (thus avoiding "feel unfailry treated") 2. Breach of contract clause i.e 3 miss training once warning, miss a second time 2 week fine, miss a third time instant dismisal (or at least the option of) 3. One to one sessions with player after red cards in order to try and temper aggresion or arrange better training to avoid the same mistakes. 4. Ability for player/s to address you with concerns about management style. positive or negative. Please feel free to comment fully on the above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 I like the idea of Contract clauses, that would be very interesting especially if your player has a history of problems. It would most likely have an effect on how the player behaves because he know that one stuff up could end his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick... Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I'd like to drop a player, and tell him that the reason he's being dropped is as punishment for something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2FS Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Definitely need more options in the punishment area (and the consequences for handing them out of course). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenChap Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 If I tell a player to adapt his game or stop fouling and he disrespects me, it would be nice to punish him. send him on loan to a team in the northpole or maybe loan him out for 2 years in the lowest league in africa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikelvin Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I think this speaks to the whole player-manager relationship/communication issue-or lack thereof. Right now most of the options I have with dealing with a player, save for docking wages, is through the media. There's not much interaction I can choose from. It would be very much appreciated if there is a way I can keep everything "in-house", so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertle Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 punish them for extra training. I would like the oportunity like we have give rest day extra training session. Mind you would be going to far what I was told once a manager did. Ordered them in on sunday players had to cancel golf, going out etc poor things they do work hard. Manager turned up gave them the riot act told them why they where there as they spoiled his day he spoiling theres. Then proceeded to tell them to carry on training for couple hours and said he was going home for dinner and be with his family told them to stay and train. Apparantly he had spies who walked off said was not staying you can say had no future and was gone. Hell of a way to find bad apples in your squad. Now that would be cracking way to fine players and learn mentality somehow I think it would be hard to do that sort of disipline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 We saw it recently with this. This is a perfect example http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/06/tony-pulis-james-beattie-stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 And Ákos Buzsáky got locked out of QPR dressing room after the match recently too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 I think for the amount of money these guys are getting paid the manager should be able to call an extra training session if they play bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'd like the option to put them in an Iron Maiden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyewackett Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 +1 For the OP from me. The punishment options need to be more refined, and not as 'limited' as they are now allowing us managers to be more relavant when we apply the appropriate punishment I would to be able to go to media comment and select something else. As apposed to:- () Do nothing () Issue a warning () Fine x1 weeks wage () Fine x2 weeks wages For not turning up to training as one example, we might be able to choose. () Do nothing () Issue a warning () Go ballistic () Drop to bench () Dropped to reserves ....etc...etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eprstockholm Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 +1 For the OP from me. The punishment options need to be more refined, and not as 'limited' as they are now allowing us managers to be more relavant when we apply the appropriate punishment I would to be able to go to media comment and select something else. Yes, definitely. It's frustrating to have no power over players in this regard, especially as at the moment, you can only safely fine them for a straight red, and the incident then appears to be completely forgotten about afterwards. I mentioned on another thread that I had a player who got sent off three times in seven games and yet when I fined him after the third time, the entire squad got angry at his "unfair treatment". And I echo the sentiment that it'd be nice to hear an opinion from SI themselves on this matter... but I'm not holding my breath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 Completely agree with you pyewackett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 How about the option to brand the word 'Kn0b' (or other suitable insult) on their forhead with a hot iron? That would stop them messing about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback790 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'm dead against pointless new features, but this would be a cracking new feature, while SI have been busy with press conferences, fan feedback and backroom staff advice(all pointless or not working) the fans of FM have come up with a golden egg that actually has some merits and would improve the game, are you listening to use SI!!!! Are you!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 I hope they are listening, I love the game and little things like this would be the cherry on top of an already great product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieronbrown73 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 It is an area that has been needing a revamp and the suggestions here are sensible and I think workable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim055 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 i hated this when i first started the game - virtually my whole team would be taking it in turns throughout the season to be getting sent off or getting a collection of yellows. BUT i found warning them the first time, fining them 1week the second and thirdly 2 weeks actually worked. Now third season in the only player i have problems with is esteban cambiasso (a fans favourite) and I would have sold him for continuting to muck around despite my wrath but he's 31, I'll just let him rot in the reserves as punishment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 i hated this when i first started the game - virtually my whole team would be taking it in turns throughout the season to be getting sent off or getting a collection of yellows.BUT i found warning them the first time, fining them 1week the second and thirdly 2 weeks actually worked. Now third season in the only player i have problems with is esteban cambiasso (a fans favourite) and I would have sold him for continuting to muck around despite my wrath but he's 31, I'll just let him rot in the reserves as punishment Ive always used Red (2 yellow) = Warning Straight red = 1 week fine Straight red for violent conduct = 2 week fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvector Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 See table below... I can't see Sir Alex Ferguson or David Moyes saying to Scholes or Fallaini that if they are going to get more cards, they are going to be benched or sold. Most teams always have a player that gets yellow carded more than most. December 6, 2009 Rank Player Team Yellow Red Points 1 Paul Scholes Manchester United 5 1 7 2 Marouane Fellaini Everton 6 0 6 Michael Turner Sunderland 6 0 6 Kieran Richardson Sunderland 4 1 6 Jlloyd Samuel Bolton Wanderers 4 1 6 Jamie Carragher Liverpool 4 1 6 Scott Parker West Ham United 4 1 6 8 Hendry Thomas Wigan Athletic 5 0 5 Lorik Cana Sunderland 5 0 5 Phillip Bardsley Sunderland 5 0 5 Carlos Jimenez Cuellar Aston Villa 3 1 5 Nemanja Vidic Manchester United 3 1 5 Bernard Mendy Hull City 3 1 5 Kevin Davies Bolton Wanderers 5 0 5 Dean Whitehead Stoke City 5 0 5 Stiliyan Petrov Aston Villa 5 0 5 17 Stephen Carr Birmingham 4 0 4 Ryan Shawcross Stoke City 4 0 4 Fabrice Muamba Bolton Wanderers 4 0 4 Barry Ferguson Birmingham 2 1 4 Kevin-Prince Boateng Portsmouth 4 0 4 Martin Skrtel Liverpool 4 0 4 Alexandre Song Billong Arsenal 4 0 4 Julien Faubert West Ham United 4 0 4 Richard Stearman Wolverhampton Wanderers 4 0 4 Jamie O'Hara Portsmouth 4 0 4 Javier Mascherano Liverpool 2 1 4 Ashley Young Aston Villa 4 0 4 Tom Huddlestone Tottenham Hotspur 4 0 4 Aaron Mokoena Portsmouth 4 0 4 Didier Drogba Chelsea 4 0 4 Johnny Heitinga Everton 4 0 4 Sean Davis Bolton Wanderers 2 1 4 David Dunn Blackburn Rovers 4 0 4 Clarke Carlisle Burnley 4 0 4 Jermaine Jenas Tottenham Hotspur 4 0 4 Tim Cahill Everton 4 0 4 Tyrone Mears Burnley 4 0 4 Glenn Whelan Stoke City 4 0 4 Ricardo Fuller Stoke City 4 0 4 Michael Brown Portsmouth 2 1 4 English Premier League - Discipline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynny Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Fining a player for violent conduct reduces their aggression. It does have an effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Fining a player for violent conduct reduces their aggression. It does have an effect. That is quite true. But what if the player reacts in a negative manner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Exactly, it might have an effect but what happens when he does it again and again then what do you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thats like saying that if a guy goes out and punches a guy in the face and you fine him for it then the incident will be forgotten, im pretty sure that if a player did that he would receive a ban from the FA and also a club ban also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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