Drakestone Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Right, I've been working on a design for the best part of last night and I must say its a little bit....different.Here's a first screen of the manager profile. All comments and suggestion wanted and welcome. I'd like to know what people think needs improving or what they particularly like about the skin. Following on from the feedback I've had here, @ FMGLive and on the SIGames forum based on the three layouts I've posted in the WIP thread I've decided to can V1 due to usability and coding issues. There are now 2 options left. V2 and V3. My question to the scene is which version do you prefer and would like to see coded with the aim for release? Screenshots below... Version 2: Version 3: If you wish to state reasons for your choice then please do so, feedback is always welcome as I'd like this to be as spot on as possible. Cheers, Drakestone (SIForums), Aerythrylin (SUSIE), Zaphynx (FMGLive) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mischievous Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Right, I've been working on a design for the best part of last night and I must say its a little bit....different.Here's a first screen of the manager profile. All comments and suggestion wanted and welcome. I'd like to know what people think needs improving or what they particularly like about the skin. I really like it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Im having discussions at FMGLive and SuSIe about the titlebar being in the footer currently. What are peoples opinions on it? I understand it might well take some getting used to for most? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
radestock Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's rather counter-intuitive having it at the bottom, I think that's the main issue people will have with it. As people we're programmed to read things top to bottom. In every other written medium we encounter the title is at the top. That'd be the problem when it comes to getting used to it too, I'm not sure you ever would fully purely because everything else we see outside of FM is the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoham Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's rather counter-intuitive having it at the bottom, I think that's the main issue people will have with it. As people we're programmed to read things top to bottom. In every other written medium we encounter the title is at the top. That'd be the problem when it comes to getting used to it too, I'm not sure you ever would fully purely because everything else we see outside of FM is the opposite. Agree with that. Just looks wrong, doesn't feel natural. Has to be at the top for me and I'm sure most others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Done some revisions, choose between the three options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Bladesman Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Get back to sending me kits for the English non-league, dude Nice skin though, very different and intriguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Get back to sending me kits for the English non-league, dude Nice skin though, very different and intriguing. Lol, shall do cap'ain. Wanted to get the base of this done first which I have now, I'll be sorting the kits out before I start coding this beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonz Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Definitely V2. Are you going to use only white and gray font colors though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Get back to sending me kits for the English non-league, dude Nice skin though, very different and intriguing. Definitely V2. Are you going to use only white and gray font colors though? I am open to suggestions... The team name text will be in the clubs second colour like the Default skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james662 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 version 2 mate looks good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intro Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 version 2 mate looks good Same here, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR866Gunner Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 v2 does look good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mischievous Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 v2 does look good! Same here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Chief_ Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 No doubt, v3 I liked the one with the titlebar at the bottom too, although I would also add the calendar down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradmonk Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Go with version 2 mate... Does look like a quality skin. Please hurry and finish soon as I have been desperate for a good skin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 Go with version 2 mate... Does look like a quality skin. Please hurry and finish soon as I have been desperate for a good skin So have I, thats why I'm making one!! I'm not putting an ETA on it yet though as it still needs to be sliced before coding and i need to do a few more screens yet.. Steklo is worth a go though mate, good skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 Current poll results after 1 day: (Over 3 sites) v2: 30 v3: 28 Damn this is close. I think I'll give it another day or so to see if theres an outright winner. When one version is winning by 10 votes or more I'll make a final decision. Its then a case of people suggesting additional improvements to the final version and then I'll start doing the match screen etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoopy D Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Voted for V2, the nicest skin I've seen for FM10 so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Right, 94 votes have been cast over 3 sites, the results being as follows; v2: 50 v3: 44 Thereore, v2 is declared the winner! You can now feel free to add any suggestions for improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 3 and a half hours coding later...and I've got a header half coded Expect a finished skin in about a week. (I can only hope as i'm struggling to get the quicklinks and date/time setup.) Drake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mischievous Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Eagerly waiting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradmonk Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 So have I, thats why I'm making one!! I'm not putting an ETA on it yet though as it still needs to be sliced before coding and i need to do a few more screens yet..Steklo is worth a go though mate, good skin. Yeah I did have a try, but I wasn't impressed. Cant remember why though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 Yeah I did have a try, but I wasn't impressed. Cant remember why though.... Was it the purpleness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 Having a little troubles with this atm so I'm not putting a date on release at all. It's currently at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mischievous Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Was it the purpleness? Don't remember but FM2010 has a new fixture, the possibility of team talks when a sub enter the game, and with Steklo I was unable to use it, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Right, after approx. 8 hours into the coding stage I am currently at the following point... Main Menu: Squad List: In my belief I have come to a logger head with the remaining issues. These are; a) Tab Bar: What I would like to do is keep the main tabs (top left corner of Squad List screen) where they are but move the sub tabs (Attributes, Personal, etc.) into the bar at the bottom of the header. b) Search Box: As you can see from the Squad List preview, the searchbox needs moving sighty left and down hwoever it seems to cut off the bottom of the box when I do. c) Continue Button: This needs moving into the darkened box in the middle vertically and to the far right of the header. I know how to change its appearence and would like the Back/Forward buttons to be below the continue button also. d) Match Header: I have managed to move the scoreboard container into the right place but can't seem to move the actual text down with it. this is necessary. e) Time/Date: I know the code in order to display these two things however I am having issues getting it to display in the correct position. Finally: f) The quicklinks: I have seen from some skins in previous years (namely SoftOne) that it is possible to have them structured so that they don't all appear in the same bar. What I want is as my mock-up whereas they are aligned 5x3 in the big box on the right of the header. Currently I'm having issues with this. It's my belief that coding wise the rest of it is next to complete and it will then just be a laborious case of replacing certain graphics (nothing difficult there) and then this skin will be complete but without these issues being solved this skin will never see the light of day and that would be a shame for the community which deserves a vast choice of skins (and a shame for me after putting so much work into it). So, what I am now asking is for a few tried and tested coders to come on board and help me fix these remaining problems, therefore I am willing to do a BETA test and would like some volunteers of the above variety. Anyone who gets involved will be duly creditted for their help in this effort and I'm sure praised by the community for getting another skin onto the scene. If anyone is willing, please can you drop me a PM either here, at FMGLive or on the SI Forums. My username on each site is as follows; Drakestone (SI Forums) Aerythrylin (SUSIE) Zaphynx (FMGLive) Thanks for listening and I hope to hear from people shortly. Drake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Match Classic View: Match TV View: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 After 3 HOURS of trying to figure it out, I now present to you....QUICKLINKS!!!! So thats one problem down, 5 to go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mischievous Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Good Luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Make that 4 to go, I've now sorted out the continue/back/forward buttons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 A quick update... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurkingwithintent Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Love it! Don't mean to push you but any ideas on the release date? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Love it! Don't mean to push you but any ideas on the release date? Well I wouldn't like to push MYSELF tbh, but all going well I will BETA it in a day or so with the aim of final release at end of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurkingwithintent Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Awesome stuff, would be happy to BETA it for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 I am going to release this as a BETA test for anyone knowledgable in coding or skinning in order to try and iron out any remaining problems as I stumped right now. 12 hours of coding and I'm worn out. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned if it means this finally gets done and out cause I'm sick of the sight of it already. Drop me a PM if you are interested and I'll send you a link to the .rar file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alhosk Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I prefer Three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomDixon77 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I am going to release this as a BETA test for anyone knowledgable in coding or skinning in order to try and iron out any remaining problems as I stumped right now. 12 hours of coding and I'm worn out. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned if it means this finally gets done and out cause I'm sick of the sight of it already. Drop me a PM if you are interested and I'll send you a link to the .rar file. Only 12 hours? Lightweight. You should have seen the faff-fest that was the Susie skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 I prefer Three. You'll have to speak to Matt at SUSIE about that one mate. It's not for me to decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Only 12 hours? Lightweight. You should have seen the faff-fest that was the Susie skin. Oh I saw it alright, crazy stuff with those overlays for the shirt/tie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomDixon77 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Oh I saw it alright, crazy stuff with those overlays for the shirt/tie. That was easy, there was properly awkward stuff in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Well I'll be truly ****ed if I can't do anything about these tabs. Properly awkward stuff. I'll be very surprised if a usually reasonably customisable and skinnable program like FM has such stupid limitations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Well, it appears that it DOES have those limitations. Oh well, I can work round them for this skin. I'll have to bear them in mind for any future layouts I do. I am putting this out for general BETA now, let's try and get rid of any remaining layout issues. http://www.filefront.com/14993841/aer.rar Anyone who had been sent the BETA link previously, can you redownload the new file and replace the aer folder in your skins folder as this has been updated slightly to ensure the actions and match controls sit in the right place. Still have a few niggles to fix but nothing skin breaking atm. If anyone manages to fix any of the problems I've already outlined (or any I haven't) then please reupload the skin and send me a link. You will be duly credited for your work. Cheers, Drake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mischievous Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Well, it appears that it DOES have those limitations. Oh well, I can work round them for this skin. I'll have to bear them in mind for any future layouts I do.I am putting this out for general BETA now, let's try and get rid of any remaining layout issues. http://www.filefront.com/14993841/aer.rar If anyone manages to fix any of the problems I've already outlined (or any I haven't) then please reupload the skin and send me a link. You will be duly credited for your work. Cheers, Drake. Thank, i'll try it later. I'm at work now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 Another quick update. Edited the original mock-up to better reflect what the final product will look like now. Most of this is coded as most of you know, just thought I'd let you picture what the final work will look like better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradmonk Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Love it! Don't mean to push you but any ideas on the release date? I do want to push you. HURRY UP! Not too sure on the solid colours for showing the players morale. But otherwise, looking excellent! Hurry up. Please. I beg you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 @Bradmonk: I'm currently in contact with CaptainFerret (creator of StekloX) about the remaining issues I have left with the skin. Once these have been fixed up the skin will be ready to go layout wise. There are a few images (including morale icons) which belong to Steklo X which I used as a basis for this skin to get the layout correct (this matched my skin more closely therefore helped more than if had worked from the default skin work wise) which I do not have permission to use for release as of yet and I doubt I will need, as they will all be replaced with original graphics before final release. Therefore, the morale icons won't look like that come completion. However, do you have any suggestions about what you wish the morale icons to look like? I'm always open to suggestions... I've been set back by the issues I have already mentioned but hopefully with the help of Ferret (thanks again Tom, I owe you one ) this should be out ASAP. Drake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Absolutely fantastic. You're doing a great job ! A future must have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry from eastenders Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 testing now, looks promising comments: - opacity on dialogs too low - mini buttons for news etc. need to be slightly larger (too hard to click on) - if you could include an option to have continue button and menu bar etc. on the left side it would be good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakestone Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 @barry: a) I'll have a look at that, I could make the opacity higher. b) I'm aware of this issue, it only happens with the top row at the moment, this is due to the actions (the buttons to the left of it) extending too far across (i.e. going over the top quicklinks). This will be fixed for final release. c) I'm not looking at making a left-hand version (so to speak) aswell unfortunately, however, I will give permission for someone to create it as long as they credit me aswell. Cheers, Drake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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