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FM10 Potential Ability Thread (v10.1.2) including shortlist **SPOILERS**

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This thread contains the Potential Abilities of players. If you do not wish to see these, I would advise you do not read on.

PA is arguably the most important stat that a player needs a high rating in. If a player has a high Potential Ability, he has a good chance of turning out well.

Below is a list of all players with either -10 (170-200 PA) or -9 (150-180 PA) potential.

For a more extensive list, including more information such as positions and nationality, please download the following Excel file. It has player nationalities and full positions in it. It also includes some of the players with the highest set PA's in the game.

DOWNLOAD THE 9.1.0 FILE FROM HERE

DOWNLOAD THE 9.2.0 FILE FROM HERE (edited by Skoolblowsme)

Included in the 9.1.0 version is a shortlist for you to download and put in your game, enabling you to find these players easily.

The latest version (by skoolblowsme) is made using the 9.2.0 database. As there have been data changes in 9.3.0, some information may be inaccurate. Due to real life commitments I am unable to produce an up to date version, however if there is anyone who is willing to then feel free!

9.1.0

-10 PA

Goalkeepers

Alphonse Areola - PSG

Defenders

Nicolas Otamendi - Velez

Midfielders

Eduardo Salvio - Lanus

Martin Galvan - Cruz Azul

Toni Kroos - Bayern Munich

Strikers

Mario Balotelli - Inter Milan

-9 PA

Goalkeepers

Zakarie Boucher - Havre

Bill Hamid - D.C. Utd

Josh Lambo - Dallas

Vincenzo Fiorillo - Sampdoria

Matej Delac - Chelsea

Luis Guilherme - Botafogo

Damian Martinez - Independiente

Silviu Lung jr - Craiova

Asmir Begovic - Portsmouth

Defenders

Renan Diego - Cruzeiro

Cristian Ansaldi - Rubin Kazan

Davide Santon - Inter Milan

Sebastien Corchia - Le Mans

Daniel Opare - Real Madrid

Rafael - Man Utd

Joao Paulo - Fluminense

Jeremy Helan - Man City

Timothee Kolodzieczak - Lyon

Dodo - Corinthians

Joe Mattock - West Brom

Fabio - Man Utd

Jordan Spence - West Ham

Mateo Musacchio - Villarreal

Leandro Cabrera - At. Madrid

Andrea Esposito - Genoa

Brek Shea - Dallas

Havard Nordtveit - Arsenal

Marek Suchy - Slavia Prague

Damel Situ - Lens

Dennis Appiah - Monaco

Marc Muniesa - Barcelona

Jorge Pulido - At. Madrid

Lorenzo Ariaudo - Juventus

Kyriakos Papadopoulos - Olympiakos

Rafhael - Figueirense

Gerson - Gremio

Emir Faccioli - Argentina

Ezequiel Munoz - Boca Juniors

Sidnei - Benfica

Alessandro Tuia - Lazio

Juan Forlin - Espanyol

Simon Kjaer - Palermo

Midfielders

Franco Zuculini - Hoffenheim

Arturo Vidal - Bayer Leverkusen

Necip Uysal - Besiktas

Koke - At. Madrid

Ignacio Camacho - At. Madrid

Adrien - Sporting CP

Lorenzo Crisetig - Inter Milan

Andrea Poli - Sampdoria

Lars Bender - Bayer Leverkusen

Omar Benzerga - Lille

Lukman Haruna - Monaco

Tinga - Ponte Preta

Torric - Hearts of Oak

Bruno Zuculini - Racing Club

Rodney Sneijder - Ajax

Alexandre Coeff - Lens

Fabian Delph - Aston Villa

Aaron Ramsey - Arsenal

Jose McEachran - Chelsea

Roman Zozulya - Dinamo

Deniz Naki - St. Pauli

Dudu - Cruzeiro

Joel Acosta - Boca Juniors

Keko - At. Madrid

Adem Ljajic - Man Utd

Stephan El Shaarawy - Genoa

Clement Grenier - Lyon

Ravel Morrison - Man Utd

Oscar - Sao Paulo

Erick Flores - Flamango

Vladimir Weiss - Man City

Bernardo - Cruzeiro

Sotiris Ninis - Panathinaikos

Marco D'Alessandro - Roma

Gael Nlundulu - Portsmouth

James Rodriguez - Banfield

Alan Gatagov - Lokomotiv Moskow

Gael Kakuta - Chelsea

Zezinho - Juventude

Douglas Costa - Gremio

Angel Di Maria - Benfica

Antoine N'Gossan - Mimosas

Willian - Shakhtar Donetsk

Sergio Mota - Sao Paulo

Yago - Juventus

Diego Buonanotte - River Plate

Jack Wilshere - Arsenal

German Pacheco - At. Madrid

Guido Marilungo - Sampdoria

Mauricio - Villarreal

Daniel Sturridge - Chelsea

Savio - Fiorentina

Gerardo Bruna - Liverpool

Jefferson Montero - Villarreal

Celso Borges - Fredrikstad

Emre Colak - Galatasaray

Daniel Parejo - Getafe

Thiago - Barcelona

Jano Ananidze - Spartak Moscow

Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moscow

Edgar Ivan Pacheco - Atlas

Marco Verratti - Pescara

Mario Gotze - Dortmund

Yacine Brahimi - Rennais

Levan Kenia - Schalke

Rabiu Ibrahim - Sporting CP

Davide Petrucci - Man Utd

Adam Pepper - Liverpool

Jonjo Shelvey - Charlton Ath

Javier Pastore - Palermo

Patricio Rodriguez - Independiente

Albin Ekdal - Juventus

John Bostock - Tottenham

Mauro Formica - Newell's Old Boys

Daniel Pacheco - Liverpool

Jung-Bin Lee -

Harris Vuckic - Newcastle Utd

Luc Castaignos - Feyenoord

Maxim Choupo-Moting - Hamburg

Felix Kroos - Hansa Rostock

Damien Le Tallec - Dortmund

Sambou Yatabare - Caen

Andrej Kramaric - Dinamo Zagreb

Marquinhos - Internacional

Nikao - Brasa

Coutinho - Vasco

Marcelinho - Corinthians

Walter - Internacional

Eden Hazard - Lille

Fernando Forestieri - Genoa

Odion Ighalo - Udinese

Strikers

Chris Gadi - Marseille

Abel Hernandez - Palermo

Eren Derdiyok - Leverkusen

Alberto Bueno - Valladolid

Ahmed Khalil - Al-Ahli

Matias Defederico - Corinthians

Jonathan Cristaldo - Velez

Gabriel Rodriguez - Boca Juniors

Ishak Belfodil - Lyon

Terence Makengo - Monaco

Jozy Altidore - Villarreal

Sercan Yildirim - Bursaspor

Batuhan Karadeniz - Besiktas

Iker Muniain - Bilbao

Borja Baston - At. Madrid

Denis Alibec - Inter Milan

Alipio - Real Madrid

Raul Nava - Deportivo Toluca

Khouma Babacar - Fiorentina

Giacomo Beretta - A.C. Milan

Alberto Paloschi - Parma

Mattia Destro - Inter Milan

Krisztian Nemeth - Liverpool

Yannis Tafer - Lyon

Lauri Dalla Valle - Liverpool

Ransford Osei - Maccabi Haifa

Macauley Chrisantus - Hamburg

Aaron Spear - Newcastle Utd

Nathan Delfouneso - Aston Villa

Danny Welbeck - Man Utd

Vaclav Kadlec - Sparta Prague

Tomas Necid - CSKA Moscow

Wellington Silva - Fluminense

Romelu Lukaku - Anderlecht

Philipp Prosenik - Chelsea

Daniel Villalva - River Plate

Alex Nimely-Tchuimeni - Man City

Vincent Acapendie - Auxerre

Federico Macheda - Man Utd

Adrian - Deportivo La Coruna

Ettore Mendicino - Lazio

Update

I've updated arsenal_2111 and Jammy's PA list for 10.1.2 to include all the changes for the new 10.2 patch.

It is an excel file.

If there is anything wrong with it, please let me know and I will fix it and re-upload it.

Download it here: DOWNLOAD LINK

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Fantastic list. But only 6 players with -10 PA. And no more Carlos Vela. Guessing he's got a fixed PA in FM2010.

The obvious -10 from the -9 list is Romelu Lukaku.

Never heard of Alphonse Areola before. I guess he'll be a FM legend in this version.

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Lukaku, this is so cool.

Big :thup: to the researchers.

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I might do, wasn't expecting the demo yet actually and thought I'd have time to work on this today.

This is v10.1, so there is time for more to be added.

:)

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:D Brilliant work again mate. Downloaded and just browsing through, very well presented.

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Great work arsenal_2111 but please tell me this is NOT the complete list?!! It can't be! If it is, I'm gonna be really annoyed! Jack Wilshere is nowhere to be found!! :confused: :confused:

Also, just a small recommendation - might be a good idea to save the file in .xls. Many people won't be able to open .xlsx.

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I think its strange that Jorden Spence is still the only West Ham player at -9. Really there are 4 players there at the moment ahead of him at the club, I would have though at least one of them would be in the list.

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Macheda

Petrucci

Morrison

Fabio

Rafael

Welbeck

I will enjoy FM10.

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No, Rodwell isn't on the list. He has a 168 PA, and the list ends at 171 PA.

I'll probably be going down a bit more for a future release, but not now.

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How could I.

Lots of talent :cool:.

Do you know the PAs of Anderson, Tosic and Evans.

Cheers.

EDIT: Oh and Paul Pogba if he's on.

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Good to see at least 2 Villa players on that list :)

Wheres Marc Albrighton/Ashley Young on there aswell :(

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I've probably forgotten him, he must be on there somewhere. I'll check for you all tomorrow, because I have to go now.

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Good to see at least 2 Villa players on that list :)

Wheres Marc Albrighton/Ashley Young on there aswell :(

Ashley Young is too old. Usually there's very few 22 year olds even.

Whoops, didn't see the excel file.

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I *think* Young is on the file.

I'm going to try and get ready for school early tomorrow, so I have time to look up some of the PA's people have asked for. Any more requests?

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Do West Ham really only have one player there? Our academy is so overlooked on this game. I'd rate Jack Collison as a -9, and I think Tomkins has more potential than Spence.

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can't believe there are so few -10's. jack Wilshere should easily be a -10, also Benik Afobe is widely regarded as one of the hottest young strikers in UK, but doesn't even warrant a -9? This seems a bit crazy, especially given some of the other players that have made the -9 list (especially some of the man u ones). Oh, well at least we will have the editor to create some semblance of reality!

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Jack Wilshere not -10 is a farce. Im sorry it has to be said.
jack Wilshere should easily be a -10

Yes because he has done so much in his football career to warrant it. :rolleyes:

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Yes because he has done so much in his football career to warrant it. :rolleyes:

Wilshere is only 17 years old. What else more do you want him to do to get a -10 PA? He's already Arsenal's youngest league debutant.

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Arsenal, can you get the PA's of the following for me?

David Wotherspoon - Hibs

Kurtis Byrne - Hibs

Gary Glen - Hearts

Steven Thicot - Hibs

Darren McCormack - Hibs

Ross Forbes - Motherwell

Cheers :D

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Yes because he has done so much in his football career to warrant it. :rolleyes:

And Galvan, Areola etc have? C'mon, be fair. Wilshere deserves a -10PA more so than anyone else. He's in the Arsenal first-team squad, had a great pre-season getting 2 consecutive MOM's in the Emirates cup against good teams and is widely regarded as the hottest English future talent. But tbh, I'm not very surprised. It seems to be in line with the recent Arsenal bashing that's been going on at SI. Ever since the first patch of FM09 came out. There's been a steady decline in the stats and PA's of pretty much all the players for some idiotic reason.

The simple inconsistency in the Arsenal research (haven't looked at the other teams in depth yet) is evident from a simple stat where Denilson & Song (!!!) have been given better dribbling skills than Fabregas. :rolleyes:

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Any idea of what Gourcuff's PA is? He looks great, I just wanna get an idea of how much he'll improve. Thanks in advance.

Can't remember exactly, but it's around 185. Very high.

Were is Pato????????

He's definitely in there, as a set PA. He's under Alexandre Pato. :)

Sorry I didn't get you the PAs this morning, bit busy. Will this afteroon.

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Hulk, what you have to remember is that, for the past few years, Arsenal have been criticised A LOT for being too good. So SI have been very careful to make sure they aren't overrated.

Tbh, their style of football still fits the match engine so they do better than CA, PA or stats would suggest.

Fwiw, I think Wilshere should have had a 175 PA. Too good to risk him having an 150 PA, as a -9. Not proven enough to warrant a -10. Then again, since Pato, Bojan and Sakho, who has been? Definitely not Fiorillo (-9 now), Galvan or Areola!

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I understand the problem SI had. But the answer is not to under rate the whole team but to find a good balance. I seriously can't find one player in the team who's got stats akin to real life. Maybe Eboue & Gallas considering he wasn't particularly spectacular last term. But nobody else. Anyway, it's not a big deal because once the full game is out, I'll do what I usually do and edit the players the way I see fit.

As for Wilshere - well, guys like Pato, Bojan, Sakho etc have been given high PA's from FM07 if I'm not mistaken. Actually Pato & Bojan both were -10 then (Sakho became -10 in 09 I think). Neither of those two had done anything to warrant that kind of a PA in those games either but they were still given the ability based on the furore created around them. Wilshere has had that since last year. I can understand why he wasn't upgraded in 09. But it's baffling why he's not got it here. I think SI have a hard time imagining an Englishman as being the best in the world potentially! :p

Bugger it. Like I said, not a big deal as I'll edit them out to my liking anyway once the full game is out.

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Pato is 166 CA 187 PA.

Some other youngster with great potential are;

Nicolás Otamendi a DC from Vélez with 135 ca 10 PA - just look at the attributes , he is already worldclass :)

Moussa Sissoko a DMC from Toulouse FC with 139 Ca 180 PA.

Alexis Sanchez MR from Udinese 141 Ca 180 PA

Neymar ST from Santos with 130 Ca 177 PA.

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And Galvan, Areola etc have? C'mon, be fair. Wilshere deserves a -10PA more so than anyone else. He's in the Arsenal first-team squad, had a great pre-season getting 2 consecutive MOM's in the Emirates cup against good teams and is widely regarded as the hottest English future talent. But tbh, I'm not very surprised. It seems to be in line with the recent Arsenal bashing that's been going on at SI. Ever since the first patch of FM09 came out. There's been a steady decline in the stats and PA's of pretty much all the players for some idiotic reason.

The simple inconsistency in the Arsenal research (haven't looked at the other teams in depth yet) is evident from a simple stat where Denilson & Song (!!!) have been given better dribbling skills than Fabregas. :rolleyes:

On that note, I can't believe that Fabregas has been demoted to a paltry 186, lower than the likes of Iniesta, Pato and Gourcuff. Van Persie's now amazingly 176, on the same level as Luis Jimenez, and Walcott a 172, lower than Lennon, Mikel, Obesu, Young, Vargas, Eljero (who?) and even Jonny Evans. There must be a lot of Spurs and Man Utd fans around.

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Pato, Balotelli, Bojan, Kroos, and Sakho are all regular starters. Wilshere has one Premier appearance for 6 minutes! Even Henri Saivet(downgraded a lot now) has more appearances. I don't understand Galvan or Fiorillo though. Also, I haven't seen Walcott do anything since his hat trick last year, he has not shown that he'll live up to the potential he had years ago. Elia has over 125 appearances already and he's 22, he must be pretty good, but he's been playing in a league that doesn't get a lot of attention anymore. He was also named the Dutch Football Talent of the Year last year. The last few winners were Robben, Kalou, Sneijder, Huntelaar, and Heitinga, not a bad list to be in.

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Pato, Balotelli, Bojan, Kroos, and Sakho are all regular starters. Wilshere has one Premier appearance for 6 minutes! Even Henri Saivet(downgraded a lot now) has more appearances. I don't understand Galvan or Fiorillo though. Also, I haven't seen Walcott do anything since his hat trick last year, he has not shown that he'll live up to the potential he had years ago. Elia has over 125 appearances already and he's 22, he must be pretty good, but he's been playing in a league that doesn't get a lot of attention anymore. He was also named the Dutch Football Talent of the Year last year. The last few winners were Robben, Kalou, Sneijder, Huntelaar, and Heitinga, not a bad list to be in.

Following on from my previous post.. let's just look at Pato, Balotelli, Bojan & Kroos for now (3 guys at big clubs relatively). And here's what annoys me when all you nay-sayers start giving me non-sense about Wilshere - ALL of those 4 (and I mean ALL) were NOT regular first-team players when they were given a -10PA for the first time. Pato got it before he started playing for Milan, Balotelli had it last year when he had just done well in like 2-3 games the season before but had mostly impressed in the youth team, Bojan was -10 from 07 when he was in the U18's of Barca, Kroos is out on loan for what 2 years is it and isn't even considered close to being ready for Bayern just like he wasn't the year before. So when these guys can get -10's based on their displays in the U18's, then why can't Wilshere? He's been doing well for us in the U18 team, he's stepped up everytime he's been given a chance in the first team even if they're friendly games. And he's also now just broken into the first team squad at Arsenal. Except Pato, it took all the other lads atleast a couple of seasons to make the step up into the first team for their clubs. And even now, except Pato, none of them is considered close to being a starter.

Then you go ahead and look at who these guys are competing with for a first-team spot. Pato is competing with an ageing, but still great Super Pippo, a forever injured Boriello, a disappointing Huntelaar (and that too just this year). Not the hardest of players to get in amongst. Balotelli has been deployed on the wing mostly by Mourinho if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure here as I've not seen their games except for the odd highlight. But if I am correct, then his competition is a woeful Quaresma and an out-of-sorts Mancini. Bojan has tough competition to face in Ibra now and Eto'o last year and he's not even close to pushing these guys for a starting spot. Now have a look at Wilshere. He can be deployed anywhere in midfield where he's competing with Fabregas, Arshavin, Nasri, Walcott, Rosicky, Ramsey, Diaby for starters. Then he's also got Eduardo, Vela & Bendtner to contend with considering the way Arsenal has been playing this year. Its quite easy to see who faces the stiffest competition.

So please, let's not have any rubbish about Wilshere not deserving a -10 for whatever reason. He's earned it and it's a joke not making him a -10. It's SI just trying to play it safe in this matter.

Walcott has been injured till now this year and has only just come back. He always shows flashes of brilliance and the potential is there for everyone to see. He needs to improve his consistency though. How they can give him a fixed PA, I'll never know. I've maintained that from last year. He should still be a negative potential as he can go either way. I would ideally want a -10 but I can see why people would give him a -9 as well. Also remember, he's only what 19 or 20.

Lastly, Elia. Out of all the names you mentioned, only Robben has gone on and become a superstar. Sneijder has not flopped completely, but has also not lived up to the price Madrid paid for him. Huntelaar has been disappointing at both the big clubs he's been at although, in fairness, he's not been given a good enough chance yet. Heitinga has been hyped for a while but has not really graduated above from that "useful player" tag. Kalou belongs to the same category.

EDIT: I hope this stuff is allowed to be discussed on the potential ability thread?? Purefun/Hopey, please clarify if you read this. If its not allowed, I'll stop. :)

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sorry but some of you opinions on Wilshere are just ridiculous. He has as much reason to be a -10 (remember its potential ability) as pretty much any of the other youngsters have in recent years. Without any bias, he is the most promising young player in the UK easily has as much potential as balotelli. As capello himself said "its not normal to be so good and so young"; hardly the opinion of a biased pommie Gunners fan is it? It's plainly obvious that Arsenal have taken a beating due to the ranting that went on about them being 'unbeatable' last year (despite the fact that many had no problem beating them at all). When you also consider the reductions given to other arsenal players (ie fabregas, walcott and RVP), and the failure to increase those stats of players who clearly improved a great deal last season (ie Song and Gibbs) its pretty clear what's going on. Sorry, but if Johnny Evans has got a brighter footballing future than walcott, I'll eat my pet cat! All i can say is, thank god for the editor.

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sorry to double post, but i was obviously too slow in typing becasue Hulk's post came in before mine. I'd just like to say Hulk you've nailed it mate. Based on the decisions to give said players -10 potential in other FM's, it would only be consistent to give Wilshere a -10. To argue against this is either nonsense or just plain bias.

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So appearing in the first team guarantees you -10 eh? I personally don't understand the hype that follows Wilshere & Walcott. Apart from playing in the first team every now and then, they haven't done much to warrant -10, good job SI for sorting it out.

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sorry to double post, but i was obviously too slow in typing becasue Hulk's post came in before mine. I'd just like to say Hulk you've nailed it mate. Based on the decisions to give said players -10 potential in other FM's, it would only be consistent to give Wilshere a -10. To argue against this is either nonsense or just plain bias.

Cheers mate. :)

So appearing in the first team guarantees you -10 eh? I personally don't understand the hype that follows Wilshere & Walcott. Apart from playing in the first team every now and then, they haven't done much to warrant -10, good job SI for sorting it out.

Look up the meaning of the word "potential" and you'll understand! ;)

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Wilshere is only 17 years old. What else more do you want him to do to get a -10 PA? He's already Arsenal's youngest league debutant.

Well that has absolutely no relevance.

And Galvan, Areola etc have?

No they don't, and I never suggested that they did. ;)

C'mon, be fair. Wilshere deserves a -10PA more so than anyone else. He's in the Arsenal first-team squad, had a great pre-season getting 2 consecutive MOM's in the Emirates cup against good teams and is widely regarded as the hottest English future talent. But tbh, I'm not very surprised. It seems to be in line with the recent Arsenal bashing that's been going on at SI. Ever since the first patch of FM09 came out. There's been a steady decline in the stats and PA's of pretty much all the players for some idiotic reason.

Maybe Wilshere is over hyped in real life? In recent years just about every Arsenal youngster coming through is over hyped simply because they play for Arsenal - thankfully the Arsenal researcher of the game has chosen to show some objectiveness.

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Only three Lyon youngsters, ridiculous. And not Pjanic in there. :mad:

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