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I like it so far, I think FM11 I probably liked better, but onwards and upwards :)

I'm also enjoying playing a new save and being back managing in England, so that's probably helped settle me in. I do agree that some bits of the UI have moved to really silly places - a case in point being the "compile loan list" button turning up in the Inbox - why??

Yeah, I don't get it!

There are quite a few examples of that which leave me scratching my head. Actually, it's more than that. I'll be playing and then I start getting very annoyed, very quickly, and asking myself 'why has this changed... this was fine on FM10!'

I really need to chill out. :D

I'm loving it, renewed my love for the game, feels a lot better more realistic.

Cool! :thup:

Really enjoying it at the moment (even the team talks ), probably has something to do with the fact that I'm back in Turkey to be fair. Love the new youth intake thingy, even though all of mine were crap, and the team meeting feature is really useful.

I haven't played enough yet so I'll come across that stuff at some point soon.

I like the little things that are now in the game. I'm getting used to the new GUI and features, slowly but surely, as well as trying to manage in a league I never ever managed in before. Although, winning does help with the transition since at the end of the day, from pub leagues to Premier League, the goal of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. :D

I was doing okay with St. Albans City. Mid-table and near to the play-offs, which was pretty decent. I just started making all these comparisons in my head with my FM10 save with the Saints and I realised that was actually having a negative impact on my experience of FM12 because of how much I enjoyed that save and FM10 in general.

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One thing I'm not too keen on is the club/player profile views though. I've switched back to seeing attributes and squads as default.

I think the player profile view works really well on a high resolution though, look at these two:

Profile

Attributes

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I think the player profile view works really well on a high resolution though, look at these two:

Profile

Attributes

I've got a fairly high resolution now actually so I probably get something similar to you on my screen.

You know what it is Dafuge? It's the lack of familiarity. The screen does look good but it just looks alien to me. I got so good at taking one glance at the other screens and knowing where everything was. I can't do that with that screen yet and that's why it feels a bit wrong. The fault lies with me here, no doubt, and I probably need to give this more chance.

I still prefer the squad screen rather than the club profile screen for the other option though.

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I know exactly what you mean, there's a lot of change here for us creatures of habit :D

At least this time, when you think each change through, it seems to make sense. It may take a lot of getting used to, but I think a lot of the UI changes could turn out to be good ones.

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I remember Wisner! :cool:

Was hoping you did, once I get used to the interface I think FM12 could be the best one ever.

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I'm really enjoying it. Strikers seem to be a bit high powered ATM though!

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Was hoping you did, once I get used to the interface I think FM12 could be the best one ever.

What's Wisner's full name? I might have had him on a trial... :p

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Has anyone else had trouble linking their Twitter and Youtube accounts to the game? It keeps telling me that my login details are incorrect even though I know it's right and then I changed my password just in case and it still told me it was wrong. :mad:

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Yeah, I can't get Twitter to link up. Couldn't get it on FM '11 either.

YouTube is fine though.

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Twitter and YouTube are fine, Facebook didn't come up with a login window for me though.

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What's Wisner's full name? I might have had him on a trial... :p

Wisner Candido Borges Junior.

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Wisner Candido Borges Junior.

Yep, definitely had him on trial! Unfortunately on my save he's nothing more than a 'good Serie C striker'...

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He is not very good on mine either I just keep him because of what he did in my old save, he has 2 stars CA and 4.5 PA but that will drop as I hopefully progress through the leagues or jump ship.

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Logged into Steam, saw FM12, reflex action meant a swift purchase and download. I have no idea whether that spells the end for my FM11 file.

:confused:

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Logged into Steam, saw FM12, reflex action meant a swift purchase and download. I have no idea whether that spells the end for my FM11 file.

:confused:

all good things come to an end, just consider it pratice for fm12

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Dammit. Wrote out a nice appraisal of my first impressions of FM12 only to lose it all :mad:

Crux of it was that the many UI changes don't seem necessary. They're too information fueled and too in your face. It will take a while to familiarise with them but it will be worth it imo as there as such a depth of info available.

Completely agree with Crouchy on the tactics overview screen: no idea what they were aiming for there. The match preparation should have remained on a separate tab as it just looks out of place where it is. As for the blocky player shirts to the right of the pitch - no idea why that is there!?

There are positives though, I loved giving my first team meeting just after pre-season to remind the players that now the real work begins. I asked my skipper to say a few words too. Nothing but positive reactions, very cool :cool:

Crouchy - there are a lot of changes to this FM. Certainly more interface changes than ever before and it is overwhelming at times. But you're never going to get the hand of it immediately. Give it time, get into a good, long career game and I guarantee you'll find it easier to navigate with each day. I already am after just a day of FM12.

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Dammit. Wrote out a nice appraisal of my first impressions of FM12 only to lose it all :mad:

A shame, as I would have liked to have read your thoughts Iacovone.

Crux of it was that the many UI changes don't seem necessary. They're too information fueled and too in your face. It will take a while to familiarise with them but it will be worth it imo as there as such a depth of info available.

Sums it up for me :thup:

Completely agree with Crouchy on the tactics overview screen: no idea what they were aiming for there. The match preparation should have remained on a separate tab as it just looks out of place where it is. As for the blocky player shirts to the right of the pitch - no idea why that is there!?

There is so much that I don't like about the tactics screen.

I also hate that it doesn't show automatic squad numbers (1-11) for those teams who play in leagues that do not allocate squad shirts. A little thing but it bugs me.

It's an ugly screen the way it is right now and it has gone from one I used to spend tons of time on, to one I almost hate to visit in the game!

Crouchy - there are a lot of changes to this FM. Certainly more interface changes than ever before and it is overwhelming at times. But you're never going to get the hand of it immediately. Give it time, get into a good, long career game and I guarantee you'll find it easier to navigate with each day. I already am after just a day of FM12.

Thanks for the message Iacovone. I will try.

It's weird. I've gone about a week without starting FM12 again. Very strange that the will or desire to play is extremely weak for me right now. This coming from an absolute self-confessed addict of the CM/FM series.

I need to resolve that though. I think I need to kick off with a long-term career game and 'do a Dafuge' in terms of just playing one long-term save. Now that I have the computer to load a number of leagues, I ought to give it a shot! And basically, I'll learn the new game, its interface changes and all the rest, as I go along.

I pretty much skipped FM11, despite owning it and firing it up a few times. As a result, things have got so comfortable for me with FM10, that I'm finding it hard work to make the effort to get used to a new version.

I also need to get the imaginative desire going again and I think that could come with a good save. Not sure what that is going to be just yet though.

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You don't "need to resolve it". It's a game. If you don't feel like playing it, then... don't?

As strange as it may seem, there is a world outside FM. :D

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Any news on the awards yet? After reading so many great FM11 threads, it'd be a shame if there was no formal recognition for them.

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You don't "need to resolve it". It's a game. If you don't feel like playing it, then... don't?

CM/FM has always been a great interest/hobby of mine and it has given me a lot of pleasure over the many years I've been playing it. So, yes, I would like to 'resolve' my current apathy towards the game and get into a save on the new version, if at all possible, as I'm sure that it could give me a lot of enjoyment once again if I give it a proper chance.

As strange as it may seem, there is a world outside FM. :D

Having not really played much FM over the last six months, I'm all too aware of this thanks! :p

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You don't "need to resolve it". It's a game. If you don't feel like playing it, then... don't?

Sometimes a new FM is like an album that needs a few listens to get it. You want to get it, even though you don't really like listening to it the first few times, but you like the band and all your mates are raving about how good it is. Then on the 5th or 6th time you suddenly get it - this album is brilliant! Instant gratification isn't the be-all and end-all. :)

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I thought you got a new PC pretty much for FM use Crouchy?

Surely there must be a game somewhere that you could get into some strange new league you have never tried before. This weekend I will be embarking on an unemployed South American or African game.

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The vast majority of people I see saying "I can't get into the game" are the same kind of people who consider managing a lower league team in England a challenge. I haven't loaded England in three years and haven't looked back. You either want to play or you don't, but if your only goal is just to win everything as fast as possible, then you're not getting the most out of the game. I could go on, but then I'd start accusing people of things they'd never admit to.

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I thought you got a new PC pretty much for FM use Crouchy?

FM and Minecraft! ;)

Surely there must be a game somewhere that you could get into some strange new league you have never tried before. This weekend I will be embarking on an unemployed South American or African game.

Yeah, that's why I really want to load up a big career game with a ton of countries that I've never played in before. :thup:

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The vast majority of people I see saying "I can't get into the game" are the same kind of people who consider managing a lower league team in England a challenge. I haven't loaded England in three years and haven't looked back. You either want to play or you don't, but if your only goal is just to win everything as fast as possible, then you're not getting the most out of the game. I could go on, but then I'd start accusing people of things they'd never admit to.

I'm not one of those people. Check my posting history and my past FMCU threads.

And it's not about getting into a game so much as getting into the game (i.e. a new FM). It has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with enjoying myself, becoming immersed and absorbed in the game, and getting that 'one more game' feeling from the game itself.

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I'm not one of those people. Check my posting history and my past FMCU threads.

And it's not about getting into a game so much as getting into the game (i.e. a new FM). It has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with enjoying myself, becoming immersed and absorbed in the game, and getting that 'one more game' feeling from the game itself.

Is there anything particular that prevents you from that immersing yourself into the game? What does enjoying yourself mean to you?

To me winning = enjoying myself, although I also do have other goals in mind when playing (in which winning is part of it).

Without really advertising anything whatsoever, maybe a trip to Asia can help you... ;)

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Talk is cheap.

Talk is cheap. :confused:

Doesn't that mean something like 'it is easier to say you will do something than actually to do it'?

I don't really understand what you mean but maybe it's just me.

If you can't motivate yourself to play a game then don't.

I think you're misunderstanding me.

I am very motivated by the fantasy of being a football manager, winning matches, buying players and having fun in a fantasy world. I'm just feel as if I'm currently having to 'work' a bit at the new FM in order to satisfy that desire. That's all.

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Is there anything particular that prevents you from that immersing yourself into the game? What does enjoying yourself mean to you?

To me winning = enjoying myself, although I also do have other goals in mind when playing (in which winning is part of it).

Without really advertising anything whatsoever, maybe a trip to Asia can help you... ;)

I would love to read about a career where Crouch goes to Asia or even Mexico.

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Is there anything particular that prevents you from that immersing yourself into the game?

Hi Rancer. I think actually it's time that it stopping me from immersing myself into the game at the moment. I seem to play in small and short bursts, and so I'm left without a really good and consistent session to get into the new game.

I also haven't got a long-term save loaded, just a couple of test saves and an experimental one. I think that's half the problem really because I'm not engaged in the narrative of a save but instead focusing on the UI and new mechanics (team talks etc.) rather than letting the imagination take over.

What does enjoying yourself mean to you?

Good question! In FM, it's getting to know the players, embracing the narrative and, in particular for me, working on the tactical side of the game!

Without really advertising anything whatsoever, maybe a trip to Asia can help you... ;)

Ha! You're always advertising! ;)

I'm definitely going to load a bunch of leagues for a journeyman career save on FM12 but I'm not sure which ones yet nor how many my computer will be able to handle comfortably. But you never know what it might include! :D

If it goes well, I might start an FMCU thread. :)

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Have you ever managed outside of Europe before Crouchy?

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Have you ever managed outside of Europe before Crouchy?

I think India IIRC (Britain and India Challenge in CSE?)...

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Hmmm, let me think AB.

Well, my managerial adventures took me to India in FM08. I had quite a bit of fun playing there.

I briefly tried Mexico once but didn't get very far. On a very old FM, I remember that I tried Brazil and had a half decent save.

I even did a few quick seasons in New Zealand for your challenge on FM10 but never got any further, I'm afraid.

I've also managed quite a few national teams outside Europe (mainly African and South American countries though).

Can't think of anything else much though. To be honest, I'm usually more motivated to start in Europe as I know it better and prefer the European format.

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I think India IIRC (Britain and India Challenge in CSE?)...

Yes, that's right Rancer.

Oh, I did have a go in Egypt with a downloaded league on FM10. I also didn't get very far on that either. It's one of the places I would maybe like to try out on FM though.

I also loaded Peru once and played out a few seasons due to SCIAG going on about it. :D Was probably on FM08 again.

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Crouchy maybe you could have a go in South America if you want to work on the tactical side of the game... :D

Just load all leagues (or whatever reaches your player limit) and try an unemployed career game and dive into the unknown. And set some goals, it'll help out a lot to keep going.

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I can just about remember India, I thought of attempting rancers challenge with an Indian team.

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Talk is cheap. :confused:

Doesn't that mean something like 'it is easier to say you will do something than actually to do it'?

I don't really understand what you mean but maybe it's just me.

I think you're misunderstanding me.

I am very motivated by the fantasy of being a football manager, winning matches, buying players and having fun in a fantasy world. I'm just feel as if I'm currently having to 'work' a bit at the new FM in order to satisfy that desire. That's all.

I'm not misunderstanding you at all. Instead of talking about why you can't get into a game and what you think you need to do et cetera, just do it. Instead of setting up test games to get used to the interface, just start playing the game. I start a new game the day it comes out and for better or worse that is my save until the next iteration of the series comes out. You idealise the game far too much, that's your problem.

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Not sure your confrontational attitude is in keeping with the spirit of this thread and forum, Fantastic. You may have a point in terms of just diving in and getting stuck in, but why not just say that instead of giving out to him like a PE teacher?

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Well I'd feel insulted if someone started speaking to me like that. It'd disrespectful and unnecessarily confrontational.

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I'm not misunderstanding you at all. Instead of talking about why you can't get into a game and what you think you need to do et cetera, just do it. Instead of setting up test games to get used to the interface, just start playing the game. I start a new game the day it comes out and for better or worse that is my save until the next iteration of the series comes out. You idealise the game far too much, that's your problem.

We all play the game a different way. He has his way of approaching how to play his game, and you have yours. No one knows Crouchy the best like himself, and there's nothing wrong with him trying to find a way to play the game that's most enjoyable to him.

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Absolutely, I just feel in this situation the only reason he isn't getting into the game is because he is making the process far too complex. Just go in blind, roll with the punches and make the experience the enjoyable factor. Getting out of your comfort zone does wonders with this game.

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Not sure your confrontational attitude is in keeping with the spirit of this thread and forum, Fantastic. You may have a point in terms of just diving in and getting stuck in, but why not just say that instead of giving out to him like a PE teacher?

To be fair, I've acknowledged myself that this is what I need to do! :D

It should be noted that the post which seemed to kick all of this off was one in which I was directly responding to Iacovone's earlier post, which in turn was addressing me. I hadn't posted for about a week before that!

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I appreciate what you are saying Fantastic, even if it was put in a slightly less than charming way. :p

Don't worry about me guys. I'll find my save in the end.

In truth, the main barrier to getting into FM12 lately has been lack of playing time. All along, I've been saying that I'm actually struggling to get into the game because I haven't dived right into it just yet.

BTW, the reason I started a few saves had more to do with other aspects and nothing to do with a style of play. First of all, I was going to have a bash at Dafuge's Challenge, but that's too similar to what I did in my last major long-term save on FM10 and I quickly found myself less than enthused about starting the same thing again. Then, I decided to wait until Uncle Ron's step 3 and 4 release, so I started an experimental test save, which I hardly played. Finally, I also had a quick look at International Management on a separate save to see what had changed since FM10. So there were good reasons for my mucking about rather than starting something proper.

For FM12, I'd quite like to do some more lower league stuff in Italy, as I really enjoy managing there. I'd very much like to go back to Hellas Verona at some point (as some of you know, I have unfinished business there). But all of this would be done part of a bigger overall save in which I load a bunch of leagues and move around to other countries.

At first, I wanted to do 'Non-League to the Champions League' (I bet someone steals my title now I've put it up here :p) starting off at Step 4 and trying to journeyman it as far as I can. Now, though, I'm tempted to kick things off as the Calcio Journeyman again, starting at the bottom in Italy and then doing some travelling to see how far I can get, but with the big change being that I will load tons of leagues on my new computer. I still haven't quite made my mind up but when I get some solid time for FM, I will sit down and make some decisions!

Once I come up with a good idea, and when I've played a couple of seasons and feel that it'll be my long-term save, I'll probably start a thread, as I miss posting regularly in FMCU. Such a friendly place with lots of good posters who I enjoy reading. :)

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