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[FM09] ATLETICO PARANAENSE - The Youth System Thread

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I didn't realise they were so famous? They have only ever won State Championships?

I now realise, after reading your thread, you meant SE Gama and not Vasco :o DOH!

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Haha...I was about to check the Libertadores win.

I am, indeed, being SE Gama, of no particular fame or fortune!

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Haha...I was about to check the Libertadores win.

I am, indeed, being SE Gama, of no particular fame or fortune!

One of the two best teams in Distrito Federal (along with Brasiliense), so they are somewhat well-known in Brazil, Gama have also played in the national Série A for a few years in the late 1990s.

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A tough month for you there. Unlucky. In all the years i've played CM/FM i've never played in the Brazilian league's. I don't know why, probably because i don't know the league rules, set up, etc. But after reading your thread it's giving me more insight into the league's functioning and i may start a game in Brazil on FM10. Great work so far :thup:

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I don't know why, probably because i don't know the league rules, set up, etc. But after reading your thread it's giving me more insight into the league's functioning and i may start a game in Brazil on FM10.

I was the exact same mate - I just had a read on Wiki, asked lots of questions in the Brazilian thread, and took it as it came in my svae.

This would help you understand things better.

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Nice to see more people manage in Brazil.

Keep it up!

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October 08

A poor single goal defeat, away to Gremio, was closely followed by a similar score at home to Santos - although we played better in that match and were unfortunate to get beat. Things took a turn for the better after that though, winning by a goal at home to Vasco, with a return to form for Aquino.

Our Sudamericana foes Palmeiras were next up. Again we were on the end of some bad luck, with the away team taking a 2 goal lead. Although we pulled one back we couldn't make any further progress against them, and they stole the 3 points. Then the latest in a series of lacklustre performances ended in a goalless draw against Vitoria - this was doubly disappointing as we could have risen above Vitoria and Internacional in the table.

We did manage to rise to 10th place in the last match of the month, an exciting 2-1 victory at home to Sport. It was a game of two halfs as Sport took the iniative, with us scoring 2 late goals for all the points!

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Good luck to everyone :thup:

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With little over a month and seven games to go, I thought it might be an idea to show the current table.

The top 5 are certainly the main contenders, althought the next 3 could contain a late challenger. Botafogo are playing above their level, and Coritiba are showing well too. Cruzeiro will be very disappointed with their season so far, and Sport similarly.

Ourselves, Internacional and Vitoria seem to be in a small group that don't look as if their positions are going to change much, and if that's shown to be the case I won't be disappointed. Finishing 9th-11th I would consider a good campaign for us. Nautico and Goias could mix it up into a 5 team group, but even then I think we'd qualify for next years Sudamericana.

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What positions qualify for the respective european competitions.

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What positions qualify for the respective european competitions.

IRL in this years Serie A -

1-3 = Lib. 2nd stage

4 = Lib. 1st stage

Corinthians go in to the Lib. 2nd stage, I think because they won the cup. They're currently in 6th.

5 + 7-13 Sudamericana

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IRL in this years Serie A -

1-3 = Lib. 2nd stage

4 = Lib. 1st stage

Corinthians go in to the Lib. 2nd stage, I think because they won the cup. They're currently in 6th.

5 + 7-13 Sudamericana

:eek: half the league get into continential comps.

Cant believe I said European in my post :o such stereotypical european ignorance :(

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Cant believe I said European in my post :o such stereotypical european ignorance :(

I knew what you meant! :D

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I knew what you meant! :D

:D I know, but the shame :o

Good luck with your end of season

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November 08

(and the last fixture, in December)

The countdown to the end of my first season in Brazil!

The month started with increased job stability - in the shape of a new two year contract. It would have been nice to celebrate with a win. We assaulted Portuguesas goal but came away with a draw, Aquino being the familiar name on the score sheet. Unfortunately, we picked up three injuries as a result of this match.

Next up, high-flying Botafogo. Would you believe it - an amazing two goal victory! Also, Aquino moves to the top of the National scoring chart.

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The glory was shortlived however. A disappointing defeat, at home to Cruzeiro, was all the more bitter as the Away teams goals were both borderline offside. Next, quality Fluminense took the lead with an embarassing own-goal; but Aquino equalised for us in an exciting game.

In another good game, where we had most of the play, Internacional held us to a draw. The penultimate game of the season saw Nautico (an affiliate) take an early two goal lead - this was in no way the fault of Atleticos stand-in keeper, who eventually claimed Man Of The Match. We finished that match level however, with a Goal Of The Week equaliser from Aquino. Finally, we ended the campaign with a victory over lowly Ipatinga, who were already condemned to the drop.

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Season Summary 08

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PNGs only, as there's a significant number

2008 draws to end, as does my first season in Brazilian football. There were ups and downs, but on the whole I'm pleased with how the lads done; and the board must have been satisfied with me, as I was awarded a new 2 year contract. I think the reasonable attendances showed I have the faith of the fans too.

The league title race went right down to the wire, with Flamengo and Sao Paulo being tied on 75 points each going into the final round of fixtures - and as luck would have it, both teams met in a real heavyweight decider! Flamengo won through on the final day, with a one goal victory over their foes. At the other end of the table, I was sad to see Miniero go down; but on the plus side Sport stayed up, courtesy of having won a game more than my affiliate Figueirense. Joining the top flight next season are Corinthians, Parana (another rival of Atletico), Sae Caetano and Ceara.

My squad performed to a satisfactory level, on an individual basis too. My star prospect, Anderson Aquino, topped the goal chart - a remarkable achievement for a 21 year-old from a fringe team. Netinho, my left winger, was rewarded with 1st Division Player Of The Year and Midfielder Of The Year. In fact, both my wingers topped the dribbling charts, a normal feature of my tactics. And Antonio Carlos featured well in the divisional ratings, finishing second. The only disappointment for me this year was my derby record against Coritiba - W0 D3 L3; they were mostly close games but I'll be hoping to improve obn that record next year.

Meanwhile, loanee Wallyson won the 3rd division top scorer, player of the year and young player of the year awards, playing with Santa Cruz. And Ederson picked up the 2nd division young player award whilst ehlping Ceara to promotion.

Botafogo went down to Boca in the Libertadores. They won convincingly 3-1 in the second leg of the final, but the damage had already been done in a heavy 0-4 defeat in the first.

State Championship - 2nd

League Pos (Med Pred) - 11th (13th)

Brazilian Cup - 2nd round

Wage Budget - £120, 317

Balance/Budget - £652k/£93k

Aver Age 1st Squad - 23

Aver Attendance (Nat) - 17, 276 (18, 945)

Player Of Year - Netinho

Top Rating - Netinho 7.29

Top Scorer (Ser A) - Aquino 24 (16)

Champions - Flamengo

Cup Winner - Fluminense

Sudamericana - Boca

Libertadores - LDU de Quito

Recopa - no competition

CWC - Manchester United

If you remind me of anything significant I've missed I'll be happy to edit this post. I hope you enjoyed the first season here and thank you for reading my updates.

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After the first season I'm giving some consideration to the format of my thread. I'm going to follow this outline - season preview, after 1st phase of state, conclusion of state and national preview, ????????, season summary.

The question is the format of the Serie A updates. Do you think I should continue with the monthly updates with a line or two on each match? Or two/bi monthly? Or what?

I'd be glad to hear what you have to say :thup:

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You could do monthly updates, i like it. i'm doing it myself in my thread

Keep it up. Brazil ftw :)

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You could do monthly updates, i like it. i'm doing it myself

Ehm............I have been! LOL

Just wondered if anyone fancied a change.

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Ehm............I have been! LOL

Just wondered if anyone fancied a change.

i know.. i meant you could keep doing it. :rolleyes: .. typer :p

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After the forst season I'm giving some consideration to the format of my thread. I'm going to follow this outline - season preview, after 1st phase of state, conclusion of state and national preview, ????????, season summary.

The question is the format of the Serie A updates. Do you think I should continue with the monthly updates with a line or two on each match? Or two/bi monthly? Or what?

I'd be glad to hear what you have to say :thup:

It depends really on which you prefer. If you prefer the monthly updates then continue to do so. Or if that's too time consuming then why not opt for quarterly or something like that? Personally, i update during the transfer window (June/July), August to December and January to May with a seasons review. So 4 updates per season. For me, that is plenty of updates to get everything in i want about the season. Like i say though, it really depends on you.

As for your current game, a steady first season for you. Let's hope you can build on it for next year. :thup:

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Important News

OK people, the thread/save is taking a new form. I've been giving some thought as to where I can take this save, even though it's still in it's infancy, to increase the longevity. Something here that's never happened with me before is the fact I've not signed a player in the one year and three months to date.

With that in mind, it's going to be a pure youth system game!

This could have a few negative effects, not least yours truly being sacked for poor results! I'm keen to see the postive effects though. I'm hoping for financial stability, increased squad gelling and loyalty, these two leading to better long term results, and players staying at the club for many years and possible future staff roles.

I'm going to give it a shot - if I get sacked at least I've tried it.

Here's proof of last seasons transfers, and I'll include each seasons in the end of the year review (Brazil being Jan-Dec).

I hope this makes it more interesting people.

EDIT: I do reserve the right to buy a goalkeeper! This is purely because of the reports that decent regen ones are few and far between, and it being a specialist position. I hope I don't have to do this however, and if I do I'll let you know.

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Wow, a risky decision but in my opinion a risk worth taking. It would be great if you could produce a whole team consisting of youth players developed at your club who actually go on to achieve success (a bit like Nepenthez). Good luck :thup: I find it helps when you're already at a club with a good youth system (obviously ;)). In my current save, as you know, i'm at Rangers and have atleast 6 youth players who my coaches tell me could go on to be leading SPL players so with this in mind i will be following a similar line of thought in that i will be looking to my youth system...although i won't be sticking to such a strict rule as you and i will allow myself to buy players, providing they're good enough ;)

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I didn't know NepentheZ had did that - I'll need to take a look. It was always my intention to sign just Brazilian players, but I thought I'd go the whole hog :o

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I didn't know NepentheZ had did that - I'll need to take a look. It was always my intention to sign just Brazilian players, but I thought I'd go the whole hog :o

I don't think he has just relied on youth product fully, i meant only a few i.e. Andrew Smylie, etc.

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Because I definately want to try the youth program idea, I may restart. I've already sold a few players that could've been useful, and I may try another club where I won't 50% of my squad perpetually wanting to leave. What do you guys think?

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id say restart with another club.. maybe one from the 2nd division.

Good Luck what ever you do, i will be following your journey ^_^ .. I'm close to finishing my 1st season with Juventude. 6-7 kids (14-15 yr) that's growing nicely . half of them are bought tho but still.

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id say restart with another club.. maybe one from the 2nd division.

Good Luck what ever you do, i will be following your journey ^_^ .. I'm close to finishing my 1st season with Juventude. 6-7 kids (14-15 yr) that's growing nicely . half of them are bought tho but still.

The thing about the second division is the club reputation - I'm going to have clubs plundering my players, and there's no way I'll be able to sustain a competitive side with regens only.

My thinking is Fluminense. Reasoning - I've kind of taken to them IRL, they have a sufficient reputation to keep players, I like the look of the Rio state championship (quite competitive), and although a 'big' club, they're not one of the current heavyweights (after a bit of discussion on another thread, we placed them about 10th in Brazil).

I think I'll sleep on it tonight.

I'm off to catch up with your thread now.

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Start in December 2008, by the way, better than in Dec 2007.

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Start in December 2008, by the way, better than in Dec 2007.

I've been checking out the database to confirm if Fluminense would be an OK choice, or if I'd be better picking another club (you know I like Gremio too, but I'm keen to play in the Rio state - it looks more interesting).

And I'm going with Flu, but I'm going to start in 2007. I know what you mean about 2008 being better. The problem is the personal rules i have in mind regarding transfers - Fluminense would be without two of their best central midfielders in 2008, because their year loans will expire at the start. That would be two players I couldn't replace.

If I start in '07 that'll give me a year to scout for replacements.

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I've been checking out the database to confirm if Fluminense would be an OK choice, or if I'd be better picking another club (you know I like Gremio too, but I'm keen to play in the Rio state - it looks more interesting).

And I'm going with Flu, but I'm going to start in 2007. I know what you mean about 2008 being better. The problem is the personal rules i have in mind regarding transfers - Fluminense would be without two of their best central midfielders in 2008, because their year loans will expire at the start. That would be two players I couldn't replace.

If I start in '07 that'll give me a year to scout for replacements.

The problem is that Dec 2007 is a bit buggy, especially regarding qualifying for Copa Libertadores in the first season (there is no problem in the latter seasons).

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The problem is that Dec 2007 is a bit buggy, especially regarding qualifying for Copa Libertadores in the first season (there is no problem in the latter seasons).

I'm aware that none of the teams play in the Libertadores in the first year, that was all though.

Is there other things I should be aware of? That's annoying because I was hoing to start tonight.

I had a look in the league specific issues but couldn't see anything.

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I'm aware that none of the teams play in the Libertadores in the first year, that was all though.

Is there other things I should be aware of? That's annoying because I was hoing to start tonight.

I had a look in the league specific issues but couldn't see anything.

I think this and the fact some comps (some of the first semester ones) don't take place when you start in Dec 2007 are the only issues.

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Ah, OK. Cheers mate.

I've noticed before that the Rio championships are unaffected, so I'll go ahead with that.

Thanks.

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My new thread is up and running, and I'll request that this one be closed. You'll notice a few generic things have been lifted from here, but I hope that doesn't make it any less appealing.

Thank you all for your input and support.

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