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  1. Hi people, I'm new here. I've got somewhat "obsessed" with the issue of Team Shape. I've read a number of useful posts and articles and I now understand that, in general, more fluid shapes offer more compactness due to relatively less differences in players' mentalities, while the opposite is true for more structured systems. I also understand that even within a more structured system you can still make the team be more compact by using formations in which players are deployed in at least three successive strata (i.e. defense, defensive midfield and midfield), as well as by appropriately assigning roles and duties to the players. Now, let's imagine, purely hypothetically, that I simply have to use the 4-4-2 flat formation because I don't have (enough) players who can occupy DM or WB positions. My team is playing against a far stronger opponent, so I logically choose the Defensive Team Mentality. My primary goal is not to concede (rather than to score). I want my players to sit back as much as possible and defend as a compact unit. But in a flat 4-4-2 combined with a more structured system, even if I put all my four midfielders on Defend duty, the team still wouldn't be compact enough and there will be the space between the defensive and midfield lines that the opposition could exploit - something I certainly want to avoid. And so I decide to switch to a more fluid shape. Now I have the compactness, but on the other hand, my players are given too much creative freedom, and the problem is that they are neither tactically (mentally) nor technically proficient enough for such a style of play. Consequently, I go to Team Instructions and select the Be More Disciplined instruction (plus, optionally, Stick to Positions) in order to reduce the players' overall tendency to be more "creative" than I want them to be. Therefore, we now have this situation: Team Mentality - Defensive Formation - 4-4-2 flat Team Shape - (very) Fluid + Be More Disciplined (and, perhaps, Stick to Positions) My question is: to what extent the Be More Disciplined TI would affect/reduce the players' creative freedom in a more fluid system? Has anyone of you tried to play this way, and if yes, how did it work? Thanks everybody in advance
  2. Disclaimer INTRODUCTION Hello again football manager fans! Artisan here with another one of my tactical recreations . After a long hiatus and not touching FM16 due to personal commitments, I decided to pick up FM17 about a week ago and start working on recreating tactics. But less about me and more about the tactic. See links below which helped me create this tactic in addition to watching a few matches. http://spielverlagerung.com/2017/01/02/beyond-the-business-model-rb-leipzigs-football-philosophy/ https://www.sofascore.com/news/story-rb-leipzig-tactical-analysis-hasenhuttls-side/ Results from my Test The tactic was initially created with Arsenal before finally testing and refining with Southampton. The results in the screenshot below show how potent the formation can be. I will be tweaking to improve defensive capability. A lot of goals were conceded late in games when fatigue set in. The players performed to expectation with Ward Prowse (Keita Substitute) bossing the midfield and my forward players grabbing a lot of goals. It should be noted that I have not created any set piece routines. If anyone knows of any that works, let me know and I will test and include. TACTICAL INSPIRATION A raging bull at full pace running through the prairie causes the earth to shake and is a menacing site for anyone to behold. It is in many respects an unstoppable force of nature that after seeing red only has one thing on its mind...Destroy. It is not surprising that a team associated with the image of that beast tries to emulate the bull’s fierceness. It is not surprising that a team with the ambition to become the next big player in German football tries to establish a catchy identity". Redbull take the concept of gegenpressing to new heights with their ferocity. To the tactically uninitiated, this might look like gung-ho pressing with no regard for team shape and structure. On the contrary however, they work as a collective unit to isolate and force players into areas where they pose little danger before swarming to win the ball back or forcing the opposition into a long ball. RB The Philosophy RB Leipzig play a very narrow fluid counter pressing 4-4-2 hybrid that often resembles a 4-2-2-2/ 4-2-4. As mentioned before they don't go gungho with pressing. They instead set tactical pressing traps with specific triggers that when activated put the team into what I like to call raging bull mode. They do this by forcing the opposition fullbacks into clearing the ball to the congested centre and also forcing the wingers into the less dangerous wide areas. the video below illustrates this [video=youtube;_dBtD63LQ6Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dBtD63LQ6Q[/video] So how do you emulate this in FM17? A lot of you probably think "just select closing down much more", and to a degree you are right. You however though have to couple this with opposition instructions. See image below. The opposition instructions are what complete the triggered press 1. Vertical and Horizontal Compactness Narrow shape with a high defensive line forming a difficult to penetrate central block of players. This reduces the space the opposition have in central areas and reduces the distance players need to cover when closing down. The shape also means that second balls can be easily won which is paramount to Leipzig's strategy. You will need fast defenders due to the high defensive line . If they are good in the air also then great>Virgil V Dyk was amazing in my test [video=youtube;8zbKkCPV2wE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbKkCPV2wE&feature=youtu.be[/video] 2. Counter pressing Trap The team allow opposition central defenders some time on the ball and use angle pressing runs to force the ball out wide. As soon as the ball is sent wide, the team isolate the wide defender and swarm before wining the ball back high up the pitch. This is a risky tactic against teams that play long balls. As soon as the ball is won, a counter attack is sprung with direct passing and fluid motion The first two lines of the 4-2-4 shape act as a unit. The way the players move and position themselves, follows certain group tactical principles; outnumber near the ball to generate pressure and direct the opposing build-up, guard the rest of the pitch to outnumber opponents in zones the ball could be played into, defending goal-near zones only when superior in numbers. The image below shows the teams stats in the Bundesliga for 2016/17 season. You can see that on average, despite them playing direct and with men behind the ball, they still have more possession than the opposition on average. The clip below shows how isolated opposition attacking players can be before the team swarm, win the ball back and launch a counter attack. Giroud had absolutely no chance in this situation [video=youtube;mlKoAwFjEf8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKoAwFjEf8&feature=youtu.be[/video] 3.Fluid and Direct Players are fluid and are given a certain degree of freedom in the attacking phase. When the ball is won in the high up, the team will use smart movement to work the ball into the opposition goal. If the ball is won deeper, it is played direct to the forward players with the compact shape allowing second balls to be won. If possession is lost high up, the team will work hard to win it back by forcing the opposition into aimless long balls. [video=youtube;QKS_f3MfQOI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKS_f3MfQOI&feature=youtu.be[/video] Team Shape in Football Manager As I have mentioned in previous posts, being able to completely recreate a real life tactic in FM is almost impossible. The first major problem with recreating Leipzig's tactic is balancing pressing with team shape. Another issue is the difficulty in re-creating the support and cover principles that result in the “see-saw” movements of the formation. Generally speaking, when the attack focuses on one side of the pitch, the other side of the formation should fall back to cover. Despite the limitations, I feel I have created a tactic that is very successful and true to the nature of the Leipzig's style of play. The tactical setup is seen below. If you have read this far then you are a star. Type "woop" in the comments if you did Key Players I have highlighted some key players that make the formation tick. You must make sure you have the right players in every position, but these positions are particularly important Roaming Play Maker (Naby Keita) He has been described as a hybrid of Iniesta and Kante. In my opinion, definitely an exaggeration but from watching him play, you can see how people can get carried away. He is the industry in midfield able to break up plays and set up attacking moves. Let's make it two woops' In my test Ward-Prowse was my roaming playmaker who bossed the midfield similar to what Keita would do. See quick clip below. The team press the opposition defenders forcing a long and aimless ball that my team can easily control. Ward-Prowse then controls the attack [video=youtube;EJkNof_joP4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJkNof_joP4[/video] Shadow Striker (Timo Werner) He will link play with wide and central players and be a constant presence in the box to score goals. Work rate and team working ability make this player difficult for opposition defenders to deal with. In my test I played Steven Davis in the position [video=youtube;y5mStuww9us]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5mStuww9us&feature=youtu.be[/video] Red Cards I usually just take off the shadow striker and keep everything else the same Conclusion As with all tactics, there is room for improvement. This one particularly against teams that use a big target man and pacey wingers chasing the knock on. Despite this, I believe this is a great tactic and will serve you guys well. Finally, happy managing Leipzig Counter Press by Artisan_BBC9BC95-F815-4FF5-84DA-1E8901B54C90.fmf
  3. I would love to suggest fluid formations and many of you might be confused with what Im saying and I get that, let me explain what I mean. "Fluid Formations" or "Fluid Formation" is where you can have a one formation for kick off and then when your attacking or on the ball it switches to another formation as in saying when your on the ball your players go into a 4-3-3 but when your defending your two wingers come back and the formation turns into a 4-5-1. Pro Evolution Soccer uses this and in fact if your still confused check it out and hopefully it'll explain more and it works like a dream and most teams do this in real life. Would love this to be the part of the game and been wishing it was there for years! Pro Evolution Soccer Fluid Formations:
  4. Intro: I've had this idea of making a tactic inspired by the real life roles of some of my favourite CM/FM players. I have intentionally stayed clear of a lot of the typical "heroes" of CM and FM such as; Bakayoko, Svindal Larsen, Duff, Tsigalko, Nikiforenko, Chiotis, Adu etc. Simply because I have no idea of how they played in real life (some are even fictional). I first came up with this idea playing FM 13 or 14, but didn't try it until FM15, because I struggled to decide upon a "framework" to work with. To give you a glimps of where most of my ispiration with regards to players come from I've added two pictures of some CM favourites: (Left: CM 97/98, Right: CM 01/02) I finally landed on this team in FM15: It shouldn't be to difficult to see whose "framework" inspired this tactic. Just look at the DM... The project was quite successfull and one of the saves I've had the most fun with since a VERY long save on FM08 (I tried to get LFC to a 100 PL titles) My intention is not to replicate a specific tactic. It's more about picking players, who you at some point probably wished played for your team, and fitting them into a template based on real life tactics. Having just read Ozil's brilliant Sacchi thread, I thought about doing this experiment with a Sacchi inspired system, but then decided to do something a bit more conservative. So I started looking back at Benitez' Liverpool side from 08/09 for inspiration. Imagine having a few more goals in that team, or even just better understudies to the first 11. Liverpool under Benitez played a fairly compact 4-4-1-1. Some may argue it was more of a 4-2-3-1, but I think the 4-4-1-1 best represents their formation in defence. I have decided to start out with a 4-4-2, and try to make a more solid 4-4-1-1 long term. Fluid shape in keeping with the compactness of Benitez' team, and control/standard as a starting mentality. Some of the TI's I have in mind are: - Higher or Much higher d-line - Be more disciplined - Play out of defence Here are some of examples of players/teams I considered basing my tactic on: But ended up with this:
  5. In my first season with Ajax I am playing a 4-3-3 (Strikerless) tactic which has been mixed so far. We have dominated possession in games but it seems we are wasting goal-scoring opportunities. We do this either by 1) Shooting from long range when their are much better passing options and 2) passing backwards or sideways when a player is through on goal and only requires one good forward ball. This is my tactic and TI's: I am aware you could say I need to add 'Work Ball Into Box' to reduce long shots, but this also decreases the likeliness that players will but a dangerous cross or through ball into the box. Example: This is an example of match stats (1-0 friendly win v Mechelen) Any suggestions to solve this problem would be appreciated.
  6. I've seen a couple of people start threads looking at some kind of recreation of Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool, but they all seem to die a death due to lack of updates and/or development, so I thought I'd share my thoughts on a version I've put together that I successfully used to win the Premier League on my iPad version of FMT and see if it works on the full fat version. The plan is to show the base tactic and then follow it's progress through the season, how I adapt it for different opponents and (hopefully) repeat my success. I'm more than happy to take any feedback or suggestions for improvements that can make it more successful. So, let's get going. The base formation is a modern 4-3-3 (or 4-1-2-3 DM if you like), roles and duties as per the images below - the eagle eyed amongst you will have noticed a couple of new faces. In addition, the following PI's have been added AML - AP(A) - Coutinho - Roam from Position AMR - W(A) - Mane - Roam from Position MCR - CM(A) - Lallana - Roam from Position, Move into Channels, Dribble More (some may recognise this as an approximation to the "Central Winger") MCL - CM(S) - Can - Hold Position FBL - WB(S) - Moreno - Stay Wider FBR - FB(A) - Clyne - Stay Wider GK - SK(S) - Ryan - Distribute Quickly, Distribute to Playmaker I had played about with 4-1-4-1 versions, which possibly more accurately reflect how they defend, but I felt I wasn't getting the desired attacking movement. What I aimed to recreate was a system that pressed high up the pitch, attacked with fluid movement of the front 4 (the front 3 + the CM(A)) and that maintained high possession rates. With a high line, we expect to be vulnerable to balls over the top, but I expect to mitigate this with quick defenders to chase back plus pressing of opposition playmakers reduce their effectiveness. Pre-season So we managed to win all 8 friendlies and I didn't play around with the tactic at all so that I could maximise familiarity as quickly as possible. Going into the first league game, the tactic is about 60% familiar. The scores are what they are, but I was most interested in the possession figures to see if that was working. Pleasingly enough, possession ranges between 57% & 68% (including the Milan and Roma matches). Transfers No one's left, but in addition to the 2 players in the graphic above, I've also signed Riedewald from Ajax and Schopf from Schalke (or Gelsenkirchen as the game calls it). I also made a database change pre-game to make Michael Edwards DoF. I'm sure I forgotten something, but it's late and I'm getting told to close down. Due to other commitments, it's unlikely I'll get to update until the weekend, but I hope people like the opening.
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