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  1. “Johan Cruyff painted the chapel, [and] Barcelona coaches since merely restore or improve it” – Pep Guardiola It is rare to find great players who later became successful managers. Legends like Maradona, Stoichkov, Paul Ince and Tony Adams were phenomenal players, but floundered in the managerial careers. On the other hand, managers like Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho and Villa-Boas were relative unknowns until guiding their clubs: Man Utd, Inter, Real Madrid to glory. An anomaly to this generalization - the man himself - Hendrik Johannes Cruijff. Cruyff was the most famous exponent of the football philosophy known as Total Football explored by Rinus Michels, and is widely regarded as one of the greatest players in football history. At Barça, Cruyff brought in players such as Pep Guardiola, José Mari Bakero, Txiki Begiristain, Andoni Goikoetxea, Ronald Koeman, Michael Laudrup, Romário, Gheorghe Hagi and Hristo Stoichkov. With Cruyff, Barça experienced a glorious era. In the space of five years (1989–1994), he led the club to four European finals (two European Cup Winners' Cup finals and two European Cup/UEFA Champions League finals). Cruyff's track record includes one European Cup, four Liga championships, one Cup Winners' Cup, one Copa del Rey and four Supercopa de España. Let's get into how this wonderful tactic worked... The 14 Rules To understand this tactic, we must understand the principles behind it. These are the "14 commandments" Cruyff laid out in this tactical philosophy: 1) Team player – 'To accomplish things, you have to do them together.'; 2) Responsibility – 'Take care of things as if they were your own.'; 3) Respect – 'Respect one another.'; 4) Integration – 'Involve others in your activities.'; 5) Initiative – 'Dare to try something new.'; 6) Coaching – 'Always help each other within a team.'; 7) Personality – 'Be yourself.'; 8) Social involvement – 'Interaction is crucial, both in sport and in life.'; 9) Technique – 'Know the basics.'; 10) Tactics – 'Know what to do.'; 11) Development – 'Sport strengthens body and soul.'; 12) Learning – 'Try to learn something new every day.'; 13) Play together – 'An essential part of any game.'; 14) Creativity – 'Bring beauty to the sport.' To sum up, Proactiveness Complete players who are both technically adept and shows an intelligent approach Attacking and defending as one (fluidity) Possession Being creative Structure, shape, mentality In theory, this is how they lined up: Credits to https://spielverlagerung.de/ . A logical deduction would be that the formation in FM18 would be a 3-5-1-1. Player roles and instructions Sweeper Keeper (Support): Distribute the ball to Playmaker, Distribute Quickly Central Defender (Defend): N/A Libero (Support): Dribble More, More Direct Passes Central Defender (Defend): N/A Right Winger (Attack): N/A Central Midfielder (Support): Hold Position, Pass it Shorter, Fewer Risky Passes Deep-lying Playmaker (Defend): Close down less Mezzala (Support): Dribble more, Run wide with Ball, More Direct Passes Left Inverted Winger (Attack): Roam from position, Sit Narrower Attacking Midfielder (Attack): Hold up Ball, Roam from Position, Move into Channels, Run wide with Ball False Nine (Support): Roam from position What were some of the reasons for choosing these roles? From the article http://spielverlagerung.com/2016/03/25/retro-analysis-1992-european-cup-final-barcelona-10-sampdoria/ : "Laudrup who acted in many ways as a false 9." "Salinas played particularly close to the right touchline." "Bakero moved away from his no. 10 space and commonly drifted forwards and towards the right half-space." "Juan Carlos consistently moved towards the left touchline." "Eusebio acted as more of a standard 8 on the right." "Koeman was the central of defence and showed great ball-playing ability in a libero role." Average team position - with a 3-4-3 formation and a midfield diamond - (& the no.10 drifting wide) Resources https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ltG4Te48w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ0byEyeOA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNMeMa2OuI0 http://spielverlagerung.com/2016/03/25/retro-analysis-1992-european-cup-final-barcelona-10-sampdoria/ Inverting The Pyramid: The History of Soccer Tactics To end off, here are some inspirational quotes by the man himself: RIP Johan Cruyff (1947 - 2016) But his legacy is remembered, with the likes of Guardiola, Enrique & now Valverde continuing his sacred work at Barcelona, maintaining & evolving the chapel he built! FIN "Goodbye ... and Goodnight!" Done by @goqs06, based on this thread here: https://community.sigames.com/topic/431392-vote-for-tactical-replications-part-2-round-2/
  2. Welcome to the latest instalment in a series of Football Manager tactical recreations based on some of the most entertaining football teams of all-time. Sitting in Barcelona as I type, it is impossible to ignore the the football culture and history associated with the iconic FC Barcelona. After last week's result in Paris and Pep Guardiola's stop-start season at Manchester City, this is perhaps not the most fashionable subject but - to me - Pep Guardiola's Barcelona team was certainly the best I have witnessed and arguably the best of all-time. Their iconic playing style and the best player of all-time - Thierry Henry [/sarcasm] - combined with the supporting cast of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Busquets, Pique, Puyol etc., etc. makes them an interesting prospect for this type of discussion. If you have yet to read previous discussions, I recommend starting starting with the previous threads in order to fully understand the concepts I am talking about: Johan Cruyff's 3-4-3 Diamond Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2 Arsene Wenger's Invincibles Brazil's Jogo Bonito style Cult Heroes: Wales at Euro 2016 Whilst Barcelona may not be the biggest challenge - and I am aware many have asked about lower-quality sides - Guardiola's tactics offer us the chance to discuss areas we have not yet covered comprehensively. Mentality - Team Mentality v Team Shape v Player Duty. Specialist Roles - famously the Half-back and the False 9. Multiple Playmakers and how to differentiate between them. Retraining Players, including Player Traits. In addition, Messi - in my opinion the best player of all-time - in the prime of his career. Let's enjoy his ability whilst he's here. I think it may be quite a few iterations of FM before we see another player like him. Resources on Pep Guardiola's Barcelona GPS - Analysis: Pep Guardiola's Barcelona Tom Payne Football: Analysis of Guardiola's Barcelona (2 parts) Zonal Marking Team's of the Decade: Barcelona 2008/09 Spielverlagerung - 2011 CL Final: FC Barcelona v Manchester United Zonal Marking: Barcelona 3 - 1 Manchester United Sky Sports: Pep Documentary Theory Once again - using the excellent analysis from Spielverlagerung - this is the shape we are trying to create. In case you have been living in a cave, this is the starting line-up from the 2011 Champions League Final where Barcelona faced Manchester United. Barcelona winning 3-1 and Sir Alex Ferguson describing Barca's passing as a "carousel" in a game widely regarded as one of the defining games of Guardiola's Barcelona. Lined up in a 4-3-3 or 2-3-2-3 formation - defence, midfield and attack highly integrated with each other. Playing style clearly inspired by Dutch Total Football and Cruyff's influence at the club. Guardiola once said, "Cruyff build the cathedral. It is up to us to maintain it". Highly creative, free-flowing football. Focus on intelligent, technically gifted players. Thierry Henry describes Pep Guardiola's playing style as 3 Ps: Position - Juego de Posición. Team is structured into triangles with players between the lines, giving the player in possession options. Busquets drops deep, central defenders spread wide and the wing backs push forward to create numerical superiority building up from the back in what's known as la Salida Lavolpiana. Messi also drops deep, linking up with Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets creating a diamond in midfield. Wide Forwards stay wide during build up, stretching opposition defence and creating space for creative players in midfield then given licence to cut inside when the ball hits the final 3rd. Possession - don't say tiki-taka. Controlling possession and moving the opposition, to create weaknesses elsewhere. One of the most technically gifted teams in history. Dual playmakers in central midfield - Xavi acting as the heartbeat of the team playing deeper and recycling possession, whilst Iniesta is more advanced, creating chances and linking with the attack. Pressure. Attackers leading the pressing. Pressing as a unit. High block defensive line controlling space. In Football Manager 2017 There are a lot of rather sophisticated - and potentially complicated - tactical concepts here, but we actually don't need to deviate too far from the playing style we have already discussed. Last time out we discussed the concept of Playing Style and Structure. Let's now apply that concept, to the points we outline above. Playing Style Playing style is going to be more evolution than revolution. We have already mentioned that Guardiola's style is heavily influenced by Cruyff and the Dutch school of Total Football. We can use playing style to create: Highly creative, free slowing football. Team working together, attacking and defending as a unit. Possession orientated game-plan, short but positive passing. Higher Defensive Line & Pressing. Team Shape: Very Fluid Surprise, surprise. Hello, old friend. If you've read previous threads, this will not be a surprise. Very fluid gives us the creative, free-flowing football and ensures the entire team attacks and defends as a unit. Mentality: Control The main evolution to playing style. Moving from Standard to a Control mentality offers several benefits: Higher collective mentality. Quicker tempo. More width. Higher defensive line. More aggressive closing down. With a just a handful of Team Instructions we are able to create the playing style we want. Team Instructions: More Closing Down - has the knock on effect of increasing tempo and defensive line. Play Out of Defence - shortens the individual passing instructions for my defensive players. Shorter Passes - shortens passing across the team and lowers tempo. Retain Possession* - further shortens passing. Can further decrease tempo but doesn't when combined with More Closing Down. Getting pretty minimal now, which I am very happy with. As outlined above Team Instructions usually have knock on effects and I think this causes a lot of problems. You can easily add loads and lose track of what you've changed. Keep it simple until you know what your doing, and even then keep it simple. * Retain possession is a controversial subject. Team Structure The most important thing about Playing Style and Team Structure is that they complement each other. In addition, we can use Team Structure to re-create: Team structured into triangles with players between the lines, giving the player in possession options. Busquets dropping deep, central defenders spread wide and the wing backs push forward to create numerical superiority building up from the back in what's known as la Salida Lavolpiana. Messi also dropping deep, linking up with Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets creating a diamond in midfield. Wide Forwards stay wide during build up, stretching opposition defence and creating space for creative players in midfield then given licence to cut inside when the ball hits the final 3rd. Dual playmakers in central midfield - Xavi acting as the heartbeat of the team playing deeper and recycling possession, whilst Iniesta is more advanced, creating chances and linking with the attack. In previous threads we have discussed how Very Fluid team shape means that individual mentalities will deviate minimally from team mentality - if you attack, everyone attacks. If you defend, everyone defends. Control is a reasonably aggressive mentality - more aggressive then Standard, but less aggressive than Attack or Overload - so my Team Structure must balance that. A second consideration is that in order to have Busquets dropping back and my centre backs spread wide, firstly he must be in the Half-Back role but also - due to a glitch in the match engine - my fullbacks must be in the wingback strata, otherwise my central defenders won't spread wide. This means that we have two important challenges which we need to balance out: We have increased mentality across the team. Our hand is forced into an aggressive Formation. Mentality is probably up there with Team Shape as the cause of the most confusion for a lot of people, but - in my opinion - it is actually incredibly simple. ========================================================================================== What is mentality? Mentality is mentality. Mentality describes perfectly what it does. It's probably safe to assume that most people reading this have - at some point - played football or some kind of sport. Now, think about your mentality when playing and how you act differently. If you're an attacking player, you're more likely to be passing the ball forward, more directly towards goal, take up more advanced positioning and make more attacking runs. As a defensive player, you're more likely to take up a conservative position on the field and your passing, movement and general play will effect that. Then of course there is everything in between, and extremes at both ends - all out attack or holding on to a 1-goal lead in the last minute of the Cup Final. In Football Manager a player's mentality is reflected in a hugely-informative[/sarcasm] green bar, tucked away in the player instruction screen. If you're numerically minded - like me - @GreenTriangle put a helpful spreadsheet together of the 'under the hood' values, reminiscent of the old, slider systems. Mentality is determined by: Team Mentality - increases or decreases mentality across the board. Team Shape - determines how far individual mentalities deviate from the team. Player Duty - specifically duty, not player role. Position Player Duty is relative primarily to Team Mentality, but also Team Shape. Team Mentality determines whether your team is attacking, defensive, somewhere in-between or either extreme. A player's Duty, determines whether their responsibility is to attack, defend or support within that team mentality. Then Team Shape determines how far a player's Duty will make their individual Mentality deviate from the Team Mentality. Structured systems have more deviation, whereas more Fluid systems are more of a unit. For example, not all MC(A)s are created equal - in fact, differences can be large. In an Structured, Attacking system the MC(A) mentality is 17 / 20 where as in a Very Fluid / Defensive system that mentality is reduced to 8 / 20. In real football terms that's the difference between, "we're going to play an attacking system, everyone's got their own roles but you're the spearhead" and "we need to defend as a unit, attack when you can but be very careful". The challenge of going from a Standard mentality to a Control mentality is that - across the entire team - mentalities increase by 20-30%. This is a horrendous interface for analysing this, but given the centre of the bar is Neutral mentality at a basic level we can see that in a Control mentality with Very Fluid shape, Duties take the following effect: Defend duty: Slightly below neutral - if neutral is 50-50, they're 55-45 in favour of being conservative. In real football terms, players with a Defend duty will be slightly more conservative than neutral, but only just and higher than a typical defender. They'll be involved with build up, playing pro-active football but remain reasonably conservative. Support duty: Slightly above neutral - if neutral is 50-50, they're 60-40 in favour of being positive. In real football terms, players with a Support duty will be slightly more positive than neutral. They'll be playing positive football, more inclined to more the ball forwards as opposed to side-ways and support attacks yet remain reasonably sensible. Attack duty: Pretty comprehensively attacking. Looks like 75-25 in favour of attacking. In real football terms, players with an Attack duty mean business. They'll be strongly inclined to attack - not quite at all costs, but pretty heavily - the ball will be going forwards at goal and they'll be looking to score. ========================================================================================== Formation, Player Roles and Duties: If I was to be 100% accurate, I would perhaps skew my wing backs roles to create the Abidal / Alves roles to something along these lines, however I just do not have a player for the Abidal role at the moment. Not sure this represents anything overly groundbreaking here. Only one falling off his chair at this point is probably @Guimy at the sight of my first Strikerless system - of which I'll explain more detail shortly - otherwise, I'd be fairly surprise if anyone had not seen or thought of similar systems before. In comparison to previous systems we are using a lot more Support roles and fewer - but more potent - Attack roles. The wide players are the main difference between this and my last 4-3-3, moving from Attack to Support. For both Wing Backs and Inside Forwards - outside of mentality - the changes are negligible. IF(A) is hard coded to Get Forward More. IF(S) doesn't automatically Get Forward More, but has the option to. IF(S) will also automatically play More Risky Passes. WB(A) automatically Gets Forward More, Run Wide With Ball, Dribble More, Cross More & from Byline. WB(S) automatically Gets Forward More & everything else is optional. Complete Wing Back (Support) has the mentality of the WB(S) but the instructions of the WB(A) plus Roam From Position (which apparently = Complete, to SI). Player Instructions: GK: Sweeper Keeper (Support): Distribute to Centre BacksDCR: Ball-Playing Defender (Defend): N/ADCL: Ball-Playing Defender (Defend): N/AWBR: Complete Wing Back Right (Attack / Support): N/ADMC: Half-Back Defend (Defend): N/A WBL: Wing Back Left (Defend / Support): N/AMCR: Deep-Lying Playmaker (Support): N/AMCL: Advanced Playmaker (Attack): Roam from PositionAMR: Inside Forward Right (Support): Get Further Forward & Stay WiderAMC: Shadow Striker (Attack): Roam From PositionAML: Inside Forward Left (Support): Get Further Forward & Stay Wider Lionel Messi & the False 9 role The first of my joker cards In the Football Manager Tactics Creator we are spoilt with a number of remarkably similar Roles for Strikers / Attacking Midfielders. Let me begin by saying that - to me - the Role is entirely plastic. The most important things are: Position - DMC, MC, MCR, AMC etc. Duty - Defend, Support, Attack. Are they a playmaker? Movement - hold position, get forward, roaming, wide, cutting in etc. Other PIs - crossing, shooting, hold up the ball etc. Lionel Messi is probably the best player I have seen since Ray Parlour and he is famous for the False 9 role. In Football Manager, the False 9 role is represented as: Key points: Striker position. Support role. Move into Channels, Risky Passes and Dribbling all hard coded. Option to Roam from Position. However I opted to go for the Shadow Striker role, which is represented as: The roles are similar. Lots of movement, dribbling, creative, but we can see there is a key difference: The False 9 starts in the striker position and moves away from the goal, creating space for others. The Shadow Striker starts deeper in the AMC position, but aggressively attacks the space ahead of him. The role you chose will depend on the way you see Messi and we probably all see things slightly differently. To me, Messi is way more the latter - he's deep, he links with midfield, draws defenders towards him and attacks the space. Looking at his goal record and watching some of his goals I would be advocating an Attacking mentality all day long. Squad Development & Player Profiles There is a reason I left the tactics screen above without a team selected. Whilst our Team Structure and Playing Style may have been reasonably vanilla in comparison after previous threads. Squad development is an area we can throw in a couple more joker cards and hopefully make it worthwhile reading. A common misconception is that particular tactics will instantly turn no-hopers into world beaters. Unfortunately - whilst there are always tactics which will optimise what you have - until SI implement a "Play Like Messi" instruction, sticking Per Mertesacker up front and calling him a False 9 is not going to make him play like Messi (but maybe Peter Crouch?). Whilst many are admirably grafting away, gradually turning their lower league team into world-beaters I have been having a whale of a time taking one of the best squads on the game and throwing £280m at it whilst shipping out £230m of dead-wood or mis-fits. Squad - 2017/18 Season Best squad I've ever had. Bar none. Couple more joker cards. Starting XI Couple of points of interest here: Messi, Iniesta, Neymar, Coutinho, Dybala and Suarez all in the same starting XI. 6 players playing in retrained positions. Apologies for the confusion of: Neymar in the Messi role. Messi in the Iniesta role. Iniesta in the Xavi role. Yes, that's Philippe Coutinho at right wing back. Xavi & Iniesta: Let's talk about Playmakers Last time out we looked at the differences between our options for Player Roles - Regista, Roaming Playmaker, Deep-Lying Playmaker, etc. This time let's think about the player performing the role. To me - regardless of role - world-class playmakers must be strong in two key areas: Technical ability - Technique, First Touch, Passing. Intelligence - Vision, Decisions, Anticipation, Composure. Plugging these attributes into a Player Search Filter with a 17 minimum, for elite level performers gives us: The original triumvirate - Messi, Iniesta & Xavi - plus Özil, Pirlo and Totti. Average age is very high - only Özil and Messi below 30, 3 players over-35. Players with widely differing styles - Pirlo to Xavi to Özil - have remarkably similar core attributes. When building a new team, my instinct is always to find a young player with potential and a reasonable attribute profile, tutor, give game time and let them grow into the role. In keeping with Barcelona's ideology, I attempted the same with Samper and Aleña but they are limited from reaching elite-level by their potential. Xavi and Iniesta are both legendary midfielders, absolutely at the top of their game. Not only their intelligence and technical ability, but also their experience allowing them to exhibit total control over games. This is why I opted for experience. Addressing the second point - how do we differentiate playmakers from each other with such similar attributes? Player role and how they are utilised tactically. Auxiliary playmaker attributes - particularly Team Work & Flair. Team work determining how likely they are to create chances for themselves vs team mates. High across the board but lowest in Messi, who happens to have the best goalscoring record of the group. Flair being the ability to create a moment of magic and do the unexpected. High for all but Xavi who was famous for his simple approach. Non-Playmaking specific strengths - dribbling, set pieces, finishing, strength, work rate etc. Inherent characteristics - preferred foot, (to an extent) size). Player Traits. Moving Iniesta into the Xavi role Xavi was undoubtedly one of the most intelligent and technically gifted midfielders of all-time and the heart-beat of Pep Guardiola's Barcelona. Xavi's role as a playmaker was more that of a conductor - controlling and recycling possession, switching play, connecting the entire team. Representing Xavi's role in Football Manager Either Deep-lying Playmaker (Support) or Roaming Playmaker (Support) depending on whether you're able to hold control of the midfield or need to move to find space. Incredible intelligence and technical ability. Xavi's traits: Comes Deep to Get Ball. Plays One-Twos. Dictates Tempo. Avoids Weaker Foot. Right Footed. In comparison, here is Iniesta at the beginning of the game: We can see, he's already got the intelligence and the technical ability but his traits are very direct. As a result, playing in the deeper role, he's going to try to directly create chances from deep rather than perform the controlling role we are looking for. Profile after 2-seasons moulding his traits by: Stop playing killer balls. Start dropping deeper to get the ball. Start playing one-twos. Physical stats have began to decline sharply but by maintaining his high level of ability by carefully managing his game-time and training he has become more intelligent and further improved his technical ability. Moving Messi into the Iniesta role Iniesta's role in Guardiola's Barcelona was that of a more advances playmaker, linking midfield with attack and creating chances. Representing Iniesta's role in Football Manager: Advanced Playmaker (Attack). Incredible technical ability and intelligence. Iniesta's traits: Tries Killer Balls Often. Dictates Tempo. Switches Ball to Other Flank. Looks for pass rather than attempting to score. Either footed. Messi has a phenomenal profile. He would be the best in the World in most attacking roles. In this case, development was simply: Retrain as a Central Midfielder. Tried but failed to Develop Weaker Foot - I believe due to maxing out his CA vs PA. The idea of Messi playing in midfield, coming deep to get the ball and then moving forward aggressively with 3 world-class attacking options ahead of him or going himself is - quite frankly - devastating. Neymar playing the Messi role In the 2016/17 season, my attack was structured like this: My scouts rating Neymar as a similar level of ability to Messi by the end of the season and - whilst performing very well - not quite reaching full-potential on the field playing wide right. Like Messi under Guardiola, Neymar moved central - initially as an experiment - and absolutely exploded. Messi dropped deeper into the midfield playmaker role and Cesc moved on to PSG for a modest profit after a very successful yet brief 3rd stint at the club. Coutinho playing the Dani Alves role Dani Alves is a special player. Wonderful Brazilian style attacking wing back. All round football ability - people have even called to see him in midfield. Solid defensive ability, which developed over time. Flair, work rate and fitness are inherent to his overall game. Ahead of the 2016/17 season I had a big decision to make. I had the option to sign Özil - as we have already identified, one of the few elite level playmakers capable of the Iniesta role perfectly - or Coutinho. But I couldn't sign them both due to financial constraints. Coutinho edged it for a few of reasons: Time required to retrain Coutinho meant I wanted him early, whereas maybe I could get Özil later. Scarcity of players with flair, work rate, fitness, a good right foot and the attacking ability to play right wing back. Availability of Cesc Fabregas as a cheaper alternative to Özil. Coutinho's progress has been gradual. It took the entire first season to reach Accomplished at right wing back and has not reached natural after two seasons. Attacking threat, technical ability, all-round footballing ability, fitness and intelligence come ready made whilst defensive ability is improving gradually. ========================================================================================== Match Analysis You join me for the 2018 Champions League Final - the ultimate El Clásico. Having beaten Real Madrid - once again - to La Liga and put two big scores on them in the League, they were out for revenge. Zinidine Zidane is still in charge has actually had two very strong campaigns despite losing out on the trophies. Perhaps under pressure for his job if it doesn't go his way. 4-1-4-1 is a bit of a surprise as Real Madrid have heavily - and successfully - used 4-1-2-3 all season. The big money acquisition of Eden Hazard has pushed Karim Benzema onto the bench, moving Ronaldo centrally. Ronaldo has thrived centrally in the 4-1-2-3 - hitting just under 30 league goals - but I'll be looking to ask questions of him with less support in the 4-1-4-1, trying to cut off supply and isolate him. 4-1-4-1 offers brilliant defensive coverage but the challenge is supporting the striker. You'll notice that in my 4-1-4-1 my striker is on Support and midfield runners rush forward. In Hazard, Kroos, Kovacic and Bale, Real Madrid have runners, but I'd imagine Ronaldo in an attack duty and his traits will drive him further forward - will we be able to isolate him and then exploit the space left by the midfield runners? Analysis Without the Ball Key Instructions / Attributes: Very Fluid - attacking and defending as a unit, forwards mentality is closer to team mentality meaning they will lead the press. Control - pushes defensive line, closing down and mentality - across the board - higher. Support duties - ensures my Inside Forwards and Wing Backs are track back and mitigate their aggressive starting positions. Work rate, determination, stamina, team work. Real Madrid attempting to build up play from deep. De Vrij advancing with the ball after a Real goal kick. Pressing structure I've been using for a few years now: Front 3 lead the press, hassling the opposition back 4, disrupting building up play and - ideally - forcing a long ball. A midfield wall consisting of WB - MC - MC - WB pressuring the opposition midfield and shielding the defence. Defensive triangle DC - DMC - DC outnumbering opposition attack. 'Busquets zone' protecting the centre of the field. Thinner dashed lines show the distances between the WB and the centre back behind and the wide forward ahead - a particular concern building this tactic. Note: in a standard mentality we use more pressing TIs - Higher Line, Close Much More, Tight Marking, etc. Using Control, we simply use Close Down More and notice how advanced we are. Already a risk, any higher would be overkill. Ideally the "Sweeper" Keeper would "sweep" more, but I can't make that happen. Real Madrid handicapping themselves by dropping Casemiro at DM into the defensive line (to aid build up) but failing to spread the defenders. Look at how close Casemiro is to Varane. Effectively taken himself out of the game, allowing us an extra man advantage - see Busquets. Low Block Real Madrid in a more advanced position, attempting to build an attack. Pressure on both the player making and receiving the pass. Wing backs and wide forwards have both adopted deeper, defensive positions creating a compact 4-1-4-1. We have a 4-man defensive line of WB - DC - DC - WB with Coutinho advancing to put pressure on Hazard. Busquets is shielding, again holding that vital position ahead of the defence and cutting out any passing option to Ronaldo. Alba is tucking in. Bale does have quite a lot of space, but with the ball on the other side of the field it'll take a while to reach him. Alba is well positioned to track a dangerous run at the far post. Wide forwards replace wing backs in a 4-man midfield screen. Neymar tracking way back creating a 3v3 on the opposition midfield, leaving Busquets free again. Real Madrid playing conservatively, neither their full backs or central midfielders making a run leaving Hazard, Ronaldo and Bale outnumbered. Analysis in-Possession Deep Build Up Play: Salida Lavolpiana Starting from a goal-kick, Barcelona attempt to build an attack from deep. La Salida Lavolpiana Busquets drops deep, between Pique and Romagnoli. Pique and Romagnoli spread wide - in this case, Pique draws Ronaldo with him. Wing backs push forward, creating a 3-4-3 shape. Messi and Iniesta drop deeper to offer passing options - in this instance, Iniesta is marked but Messi is open. Busquets is unchallenged and can progress with the ball, drawing out a defender to create more space for Iniesta and Messi to play through the middle. Suarez and Dybala retain their width, stretching the opposition defence. Neymar free to roam from position to create a diamond with Iniesta, Messi and Busquets, find a pocket of space and/or make an attacking run. Neymar is pulling the Real Madrid defence forward leaving lots of space behind. We have technical players with space and time to play a pass. We have very dangerous attacking runners in Dybala, Suarez and Neymar. Iniesta pulling the strings - Heartbeat of the Team Not normally one for the stats - as @Cleon pointed out in his Art of Possession thread, stats are often calculated differently - but Iniesta set some hit some stand-out achievements pulling the strings in his new role. 92% pass completion over the course of the season. Averaged nearly 75 passes per game. Completed 125 passes against Real Madrid in the Champions League final. Watch highlights: Messi - the Playmaker Over the course of his career, Messi has been a winger, an inside forward, False 9 and a playmaker. As the best footballer of his generation, he would be the best in the world in almost any attacking role. There are a couple of advantages of playing him in midfield. More involvement, receiving the ball earlier. More time and space. Passing options ahead of him, rather than behind. Receiving the ball from Iniesta and Busquets deep, Messi turns and runs at the defence. Almost anything could happen here. As we hit the final 3rd, the wide forwards - Suarez and Dybala - have cut inside. Wing backs drive forward providing width. Neymar has options for different attacking runs and space in behind the defence to attack. Devastating. The concern with Messi in midfield is his work-rate but he actually covered more ground than anyone in the league. Neymar - the new Attacking Spearhead Messi dropping deeper to take on a midfield playmaker role opened a space at the top as the spearhead of the team. Neymar - like Messi many years before him - moved inside from his wing taking up the "False 9" role, and never looked back. Watch highlights: Achievements Won the La Liga, Copa del Rey, Champions League treble. Completed an unbeaten season in all competitions. Broke the La Liga goalscoring and point scoring record with 143 goals and 102 points. Played beautiful football. Thank you & GoFundMe contributions So far the response to these threads and discussions generated have been absolutely phenomenal so once again I wanted to thank everyone for contributing as I have really enjoyed it. A couple of people have suggested they'd like to contribute financially to support the series so I have set up a GoFundMe page - Football Manager Analysis. I'd like to be 100% clear that these articles are completely free and will always continue to be. Contributions are simply supporting the work that's been done so far, if you've enjoyed them. As I am sure you can appreciate - whilst I love writing them - a lot of time & effort goes into these. Any contributions are very much appreciated. If we reach the conservative goal of £100m I am going to sign Nicklas Bendtner. I am going to finish by saying that - for those who have read a long so far - I think we have now talked through pretty much all of the tools you'd need to build your own system, if you have a different inspiration - for example Bielsa, Klopp, Pochettino. Please shout if there is anything you feel lacking and I will include in future threads. Enjoy
  3. I was reading an article FC Barcelona posted on their twitter account (https://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/news/2017-2018/barca-valverde-style-fcbarcelona) on how they've been playing recently under Valverde. Barcelona are lining up in their typical 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-2-1 with Messi given more of a free role through the middle with Deulofeu and more recently Dembele playing more on the right than on the left. The wingbacks, in this case, Jordi Alba and Nelson Semedo are running up and down the flanks giving the team some width. Sergio Busquets keeps his deep position on attack and on defence he slots in between the two centrebacks, Andres Iniesta still pulls the strings in the midfield with Ivan Rakitic providing more of an attacking support while still being solid on defence. On defence they have Gerard Pique and Samuel Umtiti playing an extremely high line wich sometimes goes over the halfway line. They are also pressing relentlessly to recover possesion as quickly as possible. So my initial ideal lineup was this Goalkeeper (defend) - roll it out, distribute to centrebacks WBR - Complete Wing Back (attack) DCR - Ball Playing Defender (defend) DCL - Ball Playing Defender (defend) WBL - Complete Wing Back (attack) DM - Deep Lying Playmaker (defend) MCR - B2B (support) MCL - Advanced Playmaker (support) AMR - Inside Forword (support) - sit narrower AMC - Advanced Playmaker (attack) - get further forward, roam from position, move into channels STC - Deep Lying Forward (support) - roam from position TIs - Retain Possesion, Shorter Passing, Play Out Of Defence, Work Ball Into Box, Look For Overlap, Play Narrower, Much Higher Defensive Line, Close Down Much More, Low Crosses Will update after I finish pre-season with some more screenshots and how the team got on in terms of results and actually playing the way I want them to play. Any criticism is appreciated!! Cheers! P.S. This is my first analysis/go at a tactical recreation if anything is out of place or needs more info feel free to tell me.
  4. Hi everyone, I would like to ask for your constructive feedback on how to replicate the real-life Messi role and how to get the most out of him (possibly two separate things). So far I have tried several roles on him, mostly on a 4-4-2 similar to what I think Valverde plays. -As a False 9, paired with a CF(att). In this case, he gets a lot of assists but doesn't score much. Also, he doesn't dribble as much as I would like, although I have "dribble more" enabled, but either passes or shoots from far away (with shoot less often he doesn't shoot at all) -As a Trequartista in attack, paired with a CF(sup). In this case he scores like crazy, but he doesn't return to the middle so much as he does IRL. -As a Trequartista in AMC paired with a CF(sup) upfront. Now sometimes he gets lost in the game. I know it could also mean it is a matter of general team tactics, so I would also like to hear your experiences. PS: I know Barcelona is not a really difficult challenge. I just want the fun of replicating Messi, so please don't bomb me with such messages. Thanks.
  5. Lately I've been reading a lot about Magic Magyars Golden Team and started fantasizing about recreating their formation with a strong team such as Barcelona. I'm just afraid that playing with one centerback and halfback will leave me too exposed in back even with 2 fullbacks that always stay back. My idea of choosing Barcelona would be just to experiment if I can outscore my opponents with my two wingers, two inside forwards and Messi as central false9 or trequartista, Magyar style. Any thoughts on how to faithfully recreate this system? Is WW formation viable in the game?
  6. Which roles did they play at Pep's barcelona? Can someone give me the position and instructions?
  7. What was Busquet's actual role under Guardiola 2009-2012? I'm creating Pep's barcelona tactic, can someone say which role he played under him? FM
  8. Hi guys. I have transfer update so I decided to try out Barcelona and use Coutinho. I am a newbie here so can anyone help me make their tactic? I would like to use 4-4-2 formation. Any tips what roles, tis and stuff to play? You can even just give me download link if anyone is using it. Thanks
  9. Hi everyone I've just uploaded a video to my YouTube channel experimenting with how Coutinho does at Barcelona since his transfer to the club a couple of days ago. It's seriously an interesting one, considering just how much of a superstar he really turned into but there were some absolutely laughable transfers Barca signed beside him and also what Liverpool achieved after selling him I won't spoil anything but it's funny how things turn out sometimes in football! Check it out if you're into this sort of thing; really appreciate the support. Let me know if you enjoyed it and also if you've done the same thing as I did; will be interesting to see what other results people get from this one transfer which truly could shake the football world! Maybe post some videos and screenshots below in the thread? Cheers everyone!
  10. Hello, I'm trying to create Pep's Barcelona. Which team shape and mentality are best to use? Please give me good answers with explanations. I looked around forums, but found several answers.
  11. I'm looking for a great attacking 4-2-1-3 or 4-1-3-2 for Barcelona. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? These are my players: David de Gea (GK), Jordi Alba, Umtiti, G. Pique, H. Bellerin, S. Busquets, A. Iniesta, Ivan Rakitic, L. Suarez, Messi, Neymar, Paulo Dybala. Now I want to sign Kevin De Bruyne or Eden Hazard. Any suggestions are welcome.
  12. Hey guys, I just installed Football Manager 2017, and started coaching Barcelona. I have noticed that the transfer budget is about 12M. What players should Barcelona sign in the first transfer window? BTW I want to sign Paulo Dybala ... Any suggestion?
  13. When you, as a club-manager in Football Manager, decide that you want to develop your next first-team players through your youth academy, you only have little influence on the type of players your youth academy will actually 'produce'. Of course, you can hire a certain head of youth development with a certain character, so that your club's newgens will be influenced by his character. And through money-investments in the youth academy you can make sure that the quality of your newgens increases. But what I really miss in Football Manager is the possibility to have influence as a club(manager) on the type of newgens you produce in terms of existing football qualities. I'll take a real life example to explain this a bit further: in real life football, the development of a youth-academy player begins very early. And in his years at the club until the moment a talent joins the u19's, a player's football qualities have been 'shaped' by the football philosophy of a club. Take for example a youth player of Ajax or Barcelona. Both clubs pay great attention to the type of football the first team plays. And both clubs want to produce youth players which fit perfectly in that type of football. Both clubs demand their youth to play dominant, possession based, intelligent football. Taking this Ajax and Barcelona philosophies back to Football Manager, it would be very realistic that both clubs would produce quality newgens who fit the type of football the club wants to play. Newgens who are technically very gifted, intelligent en quick. But at the moment in my savegame in 2021/2022, it only takes a quick peek at the respective youth players of barcelona and ajax to notice that their is nothing like a philosophy at both clubs that influences the type of youthplayers they produce. Even worse: Barcelona and Ajax, clubs who play possession football no mather what and also teach their youthplayers this, produce newgens with a technique of 5 and 6! In real life, this would be impossible because players with 5 or 6 for technique just don't fit the ajax/barcelona playing style and therefor they would be dropped out of the youth academy far before they would reach the u-19's squad. In short: at the moment, I think it is absolutely unrealistic in Football Manager that a club (and the manager/hoyd of the club) has zero influence on the type of newgens that come through their youth academy. In real life, every club that takes their youth academy REALLY SERIOUS and invests big amounts of money in their youngest players will have a type of player that will be produced by the club. I think it would be fantastic to be able in Football Manager to have more influence on the player qualities of a club's newgens, because only when this happens you will be able to really produce a clubphilosophy through the whole club, like for example Ajax and Barcelona in real life do. I think it would be fantastic if you can opt in a boardroommeeting/staffroommeeting for youthplayers who are good at possession football, or youthplayers who have great phisique, or name a other quality that you want your newgens to be good at in the first place. This would really improve the way you can influence a club's philosophy when the boards demands you to play 'attacking football', yet nowadays you just have to pray that there will be newgens who fit that kind of play. (English isn't my normal language, so I hope I'm not confusing you guys with my vague descriptions. I hope my suggestion is clear for all of you who are interested)
  14. Both Barcelona and Real Madrid have earned plaudits for their success over the years. But recently, 10 youth academy players were promoted. This is a test of their and their respective club's true mettle. At the end of the 15 years, there will be a winner between the two clubs based on: Titles and cups won (with all characters playing at least 15 games) Players' combined value in £ Players' average rating combined and averaged Player of the Year awards to which club Transfers (if made - measure their success elsewhere) ---- Players: @DH. - Santiago Muchaches - Real Madrid ---- @nie jem frytek - Demetrio Lopez Garcia - Real Madrid @oakesypvfc - Alberto Alonso II - Barcelona @XaW - Xavier Alden - Barcelona @GloryFan2002 - Revelo Gamechango - Barcelona @Stocke - Ángel Rodríguez Fuchs - Real Madrid @vossmaj - Roxas Alberia - Barcelona @argento - Diego Argento - Barcelona @tastaiwan - Tristan Perez - Real Madrid @-Ironhide- - Javier Excudo - Real Madrid ---- Next update will be in the summer.
  15. Hi all, In the last couple of weeks I've discovered that my holy grail of football tactics lies within the total football inspired by cruijff and guardiola. I'm trying to emulate this kind of football in FM. I'm not trying to copy an exact tactic 1 on 1, but it's more about the philosophy behind the tactics. Lately I've been reading a lot of articles about Guardiola's philosophy and I was wondering: When I'm emulating his ideas into any fm tactic, what instructions do I absolutely have to tick? I guess I'll have to play very fluid, control. And further on? - retain posession? - work ball into box? -play out of defence? -high defensive line? -high pressure? My question in short is: what are the basic instructions that you would use every time while forming every cruijff/guardiola-inspired tactic? Note: I have learned a lot from the topics of Özil to the arsenal about his fantastic ajax and barca tactic. But I'm not trying to emulate exact tactics, I'm trying to emulate the bigger picture, the philosophy (gosh, I sound like Louis van Gaal right now).
  16. Well... which one of you did it? Tonight´s result of FCB is too unreal to be true. Who rigged the reality and implemented his FM save into it?
  17. Hello, and welcome to my FM17 save. I've decided to do something a bit different this year, and it's probably the most difficult challenge I've ever undertaken. The Challenge This challenge, as the title suggests, is based on the career of Pep Guardiola. I'm going to try to win every trophy he has managed to (including the minor ones), in the same timescale. I will also take a 'sabbatical' at the same stage he did, and will watch games during that time, posting updates from the football world. I will create the vacancy at the next club at the appropriate time, but it'll still be up to my manager to get the job, I won't re-invent myself. My Manager I have, with the help of the FM Community, managed to almost exactly replicate Pep Guardiola's attributes from the 2007/8 season, and so here he is and here are his managerial stats to date The starting point
  18. Hi there, here's Pep Guardiola's Barcelona Tiki-Taka433 for FM2017, may this tactic can help you to terminate FM2017. some goals( nearly original Man United players except incoming Almamy Toure ): pass the ball to the goal in 50s since the kickoff when facing Fenerbahçe. beat Everton's Bus since a throw ball.(fxxk my english) Mentality the tactic includes 2 mentalities: control& counter, when the opponent's sitting back, use control; when the opponent's crazy in attack, use counter. Width& Defensive Line it's extremely important to keep your formation compact by choosing the proper width& d-line in pressing-pass tactic. my width& d-line settings are on the basis of Premier League teams' 105m×68m size pitch, tweak them when needed. if the pitch is shorter/longer, drag back/push up your d-line a little bit; if it's wider/narrower, reduce/increase your width a little bit. OI when facing quicker ML/R,AML/R,tick never closing down. Other Tweaks a:when facing 442, use your faster CD to handle the opponent's faster striker. b:when facing 41212/4312/4141/433, don't closing down the defensive midfielder/deepest midfielder in OI. c:when facing 433/4141, always tight marking& always closing down& hard tackling to the opponent's single striker in OI; set your HBd to CMd& close down much less&shot less often; increase your team's width a little bit. d:if your player gets yellow card, tick ease off tackles in his player instructions ASAP. e:more combination pairs in midfield like:HBd+BBMs+APa... so now you know that when facing 433/4141..., don't closing down the opponent's single DM ; always tight marking& always closing down& hard tackling the opponent's single striker; push up your HB to CM positon to help your AP&CMa. Training pre-season:1 month fitness, then 1 month team cohesion. in the season: 1 week fitness, then 2 weeks tactical, then 1 week ball control, the 1 week attacking. Player attributions&Preferred moves Team work,Anticipation,Stamina for pressing&pass tactic. say NO to conflicting PPMs,for example: for Su duty,"come deep to get ball",don't "go forward"; for At duty, vice versa. SKs: some rushout&acceleration CDd: enough acceleration and speed.Left foot for left CD,Right foot for right CD. PPM: play way out of trouble WBs: basic dribbling, passing,off-ball and soild defensive attribution.Right foot. WBa: acceleration,speed,off-ball,stamina,dribbling,crossing,flar... Left foot. PPM: go forward whenever possible,one-twos,hugs line. HBd: some passing&heading PPM: come deep to get ball,pass rather than shoot,and dictate tempo. APs: just follow the game requirements.Left foot. PPM: come deep to get ball,dictate tempo,one-twos,pass rather than shoot. say NO to conflicting PPMs,for example:go forward whenever possible CMa: enough off-ball finishing,composure to score.Right foot. PPM: go forward whenever possible,one-twos. IFs: don't ignore the team work.Right foot. PPM: come deep to get ball,cut inside,one-twos(places shot,curls ball). say NO to conflicting PPMs,for example:move into channels,anti-offside,go forward whenever possible. IFa: main scorer,don't ignore the anticipation,team work,composure.Left foot. PPM: cut inside,one-twos(places shot,curls ball). F9: just follow the game requirements.not weak on un-preferred foot. PPM: come deep to get ball, run with ball often,on-twos,killer ball(dictate tempo,swicth ball). say NO to conflicting PPMs,for example:anti-offside,go forward whenever possible. Enjoy! 433control_3E238C60-FC5B-4126-B4C7-96482BF5F3CB.fmf 433counter_1DCAD926-4C1A-4F41-99C3-FF0A135A1009.fmf 433balance_AA1D09AB-95B9-42CA-B2E2-11EA88FA6ACC.fmf
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