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  1. hi guys I'm having a right nightmare getting my 4-1-4-1 working consistently in a online save, 1 minute we are beating Arsenal 4-0 then we are losing to teams in the relegation zone. I have closing down much more but we don't close them down. we play some great stuff but my players fluff their lines and miss. so is it crap players or my tactic is rubbish.
  2. Hi everyone. I'm currently playing with Leeds United, for what is only my second actual save going on FM17. I'm no tactical genius, so I'll mention first that my formation is heavily inspired by things I've read on this thread: At first I didn't really know where to go gameplan wise, and I figured Leeds starting squad was well suited for a 4-1-4-1. Here are the tactic I'm using the most and the TIs. When facing a 4-3-3, I usually turn my DM-D into a RPM, and my CM-S into a CM-D. TIs remain the same overall. The only PIs I use are Move into channels for my CM-A, Close down much less for my RPM when I have one, and Fewer Risky Passes for my keeper. First season in Championship went really well, we beat the odds by finishing second, earning a spot in the Premier League. Our strongest asset was our defence, as we ended up being the best defence in the league, while only being the 4th or 5th best attack. What was a warning sign of the current situation is that we were no match to Newcastle, and Norwich was a tough opponent aswell. Now that I'm in the Prem, I'm struggling a lot. Somehow my fire power is still the same (24 goals in 16games), but I'm really worried about my back line, as we're one of the weakest defence in the League, with too many goals and chances conceded to my liking (28 goals against so far). This is what I've noticed so far: - When the opposition is building up to my box, I found we're really weak in the space just in front of my two CBs. I feel like my players run at the ball too much, and then space is created. - Through balls between my two CDs happen a lot when we are high up the pitch, and the opponent forward has easy runs in the space, even though none of my defenders are particularly slow. - We concede a lot of our goals following crosses, as the opposition wingers have a lot of room to work with - We don't have the ball as much as I'd wish/thought, with under average pass completion and possession. - We lack space up front, especially when we are in front of their box. I feel this mainly comes from my CM-A not having that many runs and impact. - Maybe as a consequence, we rely a lot on our lone attacker, who's the only scoarer in that squad. This problem was also there on the first season, as Antonsson was the lead scorer with 32 goals, only followed by a distance by Pedraza and his 8 goals. Some of these issues (mainly the offensive ones) were also true during the first season, but it was less of an issue considering the opposition. As for the Premier League, at first I thought my tactic was a bit too naive, considering the quality of my squad compared to the rest of Prem, so I've tried a few tweaks, but it didn't work out really well. On the defensive side, I've decided to lower my defensive line a bit, and I also switched my two CDs' Closing Down from sometimes to Less. On paper, it worked out a bit, as we won two games in a row, but in reality it was more due to the opposition lacks in our half of the pitch, as we got punished by Leicester in the latest game. Upfront, I've tried to switch my DLF-S to a DF-S (I don't really know why I did that, I guess I'm getting a bit desperate), but it didn't have much impact. I've noticed that his rating only depends on him scoring or not, even though I'd want him to participate in the build up. I've tried so many different things about my CM-A that I can't remember it all. I also think my RPM doesn't have much impact, and my attempts to use him as a Regista were a bit poor. I thought that maybe I'm giving too many freedom to my players considering their qualities, and they end up making the wrong decision a lot. During the games, I often found myself behind in term of possession, so I usually tick Retain Possession after 15-20 minutes into the match. I also try to switch to Shorter Passing, but I dont notice a huge difference. A couple times I tried to raise the tempo, so we could get to the opposition's half faster, but it just resulted into a 4-1 for West Ham, with only 1-1 at half time. Even when it comes to substitutions, the players coming in are pretty much useless, as they don't add anything to what's already on the pitch. That is to say that I don't feel I have much impact during the games. I tried to watch full matches to spot issues, but to no avail, as I don't really know what to watch and what the mistakes are. I don't know how much my issues are solely based on my squad overall quality, and what is on me as a manager. Overall we're not having that bad of a season, sitting 12th in the tables around half season, but our defensive weakness might cost us a painful second half of season. Anyway any advice is welcome, as I'm sure there are many aspects I don't understand yet. Btw english isn't my main language, so if anything isn't clear enough, tell me and I'll try to explain it better.
  3. First season - counter-attacking 4-1-4-1 Hello, I'm doing a Dafuge Challenge with Stourbridge and a Career Updates thread about it. I don't wish to spam the whole forum about it, but I figured a thread here about my tactics could be interesting either to help users, or for people to give me ideas. I've just finished season 1 in which we played a 4-1-4-1. This was wildly successful at first, but our second half of the season was poor and we finished 12th. The basic concept was: - we were massive underdogs and we could rely on opponents coming at us most of the time. It made sense to stack up as many bodies behind the ball as possible and exploit the space they'd give us. Therefore the base shape was something extremely similar to Cleon's Art of Counter-Attack. - The Art of Counter-Attack was most fitting for a more supporting striker like a DLF/S or a DF/D, but I had a poacher-esque pacey striker that was too good for me not to use him. Therefore I made him a DLF/A and pushed up Gnahore from ML to AML to give him a little more support (this also suited Gnahore at the beginning who couldn't play ML before retraining). - Slightly rising up the defensive line worked better in pre-season to avoid us getting cornered all match. Not too much because we don't have pace at the back and we need space to counter. - With no aerial threat upfront, low crosses made sense. - I believe there's a small issue with the ME at the moment with players taking too many long shots. Obviously many of our players are too poor to take the right decision, and are often isolated offensively, but Work Ball Into Box helps a little. This also decreases crosses which suited us. However, there were problems: - Massive over-reliance on Weston-Hayles and his pace, personified by his 23 goals yet the next top scorer was on 4 goals. We were extremely one-dimensional. Unlike Cleon's setup, we hardly ever setup actual counters, and didn't create enough opportunities for the players rushing in from midfield when not on the counter. It'd occasionally happen but my midfield players aren't good enough to convert consistently, and with Weston-Hayles on attack duty, we lacked the forward dropping deep to drag defenders out of shape. - Unsurprisingly, as the season went on, we stopped being underdogs and the opposition started giving us less space to attack. With the plan relying on space for Weston-Hayles to run into, our attack crumbled apart. We were particularly awful at chasing games, and alternative tactics didn't work much better. - An unforeseen consequence of the AI rating us higher, was that they attacked us better. I believe at the beginning of the season the AI rated us so low they came at us with overly attacking mentalities, and just ran into our bus ineffectively. As the season went on, they started to figure out how to patiently pull us apart. We started getting cornered more often (not helped by our midfield being packed with players that are too passive), and conceding more goals both by the ground (through balls or square passes), and a lot of crosses and headed goals in set pieces.
  4. For the past couple of FMs, I've gone down the route of trying fluid, pressing styles but when the beta of 17 hit I started a game with Sunderland, who simply don't have the squad for it. They're in the bottom 2-3 in the league for Work Rate, Decisions, Stamina, etc. But they've got some decent passers of the ball and a striker lethal when playing off the shoulder of the last man in Defoe, so it seemed like a perfect chance to try and make a soak-and-counter tactic work, in the vein of last year's Leicester, something I've never had success with in FM. Pre-season was mediocre, starting Counter/Flexible with a lopsided 4-1-4-1 and the only TI being "pass into space", with Borini advanced as an RMD/IF, before pulling him back to WM with PIs to keep him raumdeuter-ish, until Jambo’s excellent Leicester thread gave me a crucial couple of nudges - play Standard but drop deeper, go Structured - to shape what’s become my Plan A. What I lack is a Plan B for when it goes wrong. Plan A: Standard/Structured TIs: Pass into space, Drop much deeper MR: Roam from position, Cut inside, Cross less often ML: Cross from deep, More risky passes GK: Roll it out, Distribute quickly, Fewer risky passes The basic tactical plan is to sit deep, soak up pressure, don’t do anything silly, and then when the situation presents itself, Cattermole to Januzaj to Defoe/Borini equals goal, and if that doesn’t work out then there should be support on hand to pick up the second phase without leaving everything open in our own half. The back four mostly stay put, with the DR covering for the more wanderlust-prone faux-RMD and the DL free to overlap if we’re not on a quick counter and Januzaj puts his foot on the ball instead. I’d expected the formation and instructions to make for plenty of counters, assuming the ME and the way counterattacks are triggered hadn’t changed drastically, and it has, but the Standard mentality seems to give the team a little more urgency with the ball when the counter’s not on compared to the actual Counter mentality. So far (allowing for a now-patched crash bug that cost us a wonderful 4-0 thumping of Swansea and a repeat humiliating defeat by Bristol City), and despite only making two first-team signings (and one of those just a young, cheap A/MC because Khazri was out for ages with a broken ankle), the results have been remarkable. After ten league games: One of the best scoring rates in the league - Defoe has 10 in 10, Borini 6 in 9 - and only Man Utd have a tighter defence. Second in the table. Not only nothing to worry about, but also something I should probably bug report to SI . The problem The problem is, I haven’t found a successful Plan B. Bristol City hammered us (twice, effectively), we didn’t get a shot on target against a struggling Leicester side, and barely scraped a win over Middlesbrough. All three teams sat back, and in Leicester’s case, sat back and sat very narrow, and against teams playing that way we really struggle to break through, becoming ineffective going forward, more vulnerable at the back. It’s not about the individual goals scored against us in those games, but about the play in between. The way we’re unable to find space, to pick the right pass, let alone a shot, and teams are then free to chance their arm when the opportunity arises in the same way we are, and deny us the ball when the option's not there because we're not working especially hard to get it back. Man City had 62% possession, 23/6 shots to our 17/8, and 10 corners to our 2 (which suggests at the kind of dogged defence this was), and we hammered them because soaking up pressure and hitting on the break worked an absolute treat. Against Bristol City, by comparison, we were almost even numbers-wise, and I don’t think we even had a shot on target until we were 3-0 down. I've tried bumping up mentality, bumping up individual mentality for the DR, shifting Borini to his natural AMR position, having Defoe drop back as a DLF, but nothing has had much impact so far. (Even against Bristol City; they were home and hosed and were playing like it while we flapped at goal like a pub side.) The options The squad is short, languid and prone to making poor choices (like signing for Sunderland ). But it’s reasonably quick and has good flair and technical ability. 1. A battering ram. We’ve got Anichebe on the bench, who’s a slower, bigger player than Defoe. Either switch the lone ST role or bring him in as one of a pair alongside Defoe and lose a midfielder (probably the CM(a)) to go 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2. The downside is that Anichebe isn’t much of a battering ram as battering rams go. 2. Throw caution to the wind. I had success, and some decent footie, playing 3-4-1-2 in FM16 with a squad not exactly full of terriers willing to chase every ball when attacks broke down (Control/Fluid, shorter passing but without an emphasis on possession). Sunderland’s DCs are pretty pacy, which would help reduce vulnerability to the counter. The regular starting XI could play this formation, with Jones moving into DRC, Taylor shifting up to ML and Januzaj going to AMC. As either a BWM or CM(d), Cattermole would be forever getting sent off, which would be the downside. 3. Tiki-taka, minus the press. Go short with the passing, keep the ball, try to work openings without giving anything away. Switch DL/DR to support duty wingbacks and Januzaj to full-on WP, lower the tempo. DM to REG, with a CM(d) and probably CM(s) ahead. Of the three possibilities so far, I’m leaning towards the third the most as it wouldn’t involve changing formation and thus would probably have the least of a familiarity hit (though I’d be inclined to shift shape to Fluid for greater creativity). Thoughts?
  5. Playing southampton, i started 5 or 6 times which all of them failed. I win 1 in 5 games, others are all loss or tie. I am trying 4-1-4-1 formation or 4-3-3DM formation all the time. I want to play 4-1-4-1 formation because i have a decent dm - Victor Wanyama also i think it will bring some defensive solidity as southampton dc's are not very good. For left wing i have tadic decent winger attributes but low decisions. For right wing, i have Mane, good attacker but lack teamplay and passing ability. For that reason i came up a tactic like this: DLF(s) W(s) Cm(a) Dlp(s) Wm(a) BWM(d) FB(s) DC DC WB(s) I play standard mentality with flexible team shape. I use play out of defence instruction and sometimes work ball into box. No other tis. For PI's, i duplicated If's instructions to wm(a) with cut inside with the ball. Cm(a) has shorter passing pi and dlf has move into channels. However system doesnt work. My obsevations are; first of all w(s) stays wide and seems disconnected from the team. He grabs the ball run wide try to dribble and lose it. Cm(a) i play with stephen davis who has 8 finishing and cant finish the chances although he surges into the box. I tried changing w(s) to wm(s) and fb to wb(a) but still hardly find any goals and concede 2 or 3 even from low league teams. As for cm attack role i dont have budget to bring better player since im lacking a dc, dr already. I am stuck with the this tactic and team. I dont know what to do in order to get better with this. Any help appreciated.
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