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  1. To answer the original question: Trequartista can function as a support player; because he roams around the pitch looking for the ball, and doesn't make lots of forward runs, he tends to sit deeper than most other forwards with an attack duty. As for what suits your Target Man - Attack, that depends - what sort of passing style are you using? A trequartista will work best if you're using a short-passing style, but does that work best for your Target Man?
  2. jayare35, I know you're focusing on attacking stuff from the match engine, but just a small thing I noticed with your defensive setup - putting the RCB on Cover with the RB as an attacking fullback can potentially leave a lot of space for the opposition to exploit in that channel, especially after what furious said about the 4-1-2-2-1's natural weakness in the space between fullbacks and centre-backs. It might be worth giving your LCB the Cover duty, and having the RCB as the standard Defend duty.
  3. I ended up doing the first one in that match, it didn't have a significant or discernable impact as far as I could tell, but it didn't matter because Eriksen was bossing the game from the flanks anyway. Still, I'll keep that trick in mind, it'll come in handy. The second one is something that never occurred to me, could work brilliantly - thanks lam! Yeah - the team and player instructions are an interface for all the sliders. If that's not something you're familiar with, check out this thread from wwfan, as well as read through all the stuff Cleon, lam and others have written in this thread.
  4. Interesting. I've never used Defoe much, but never pinned him as being able to properly play the TQ role - even if you say the role is more important than the player, there's obviously going to be players who just aren't capable of a certain role. Still, I might try the system with Liverpool again and use the "Run at Defence" shout when Suarez is TQ, see how he does - his "gets forward whenever possible PPM" is a pain, though, so I tend to unlearn that before I use him there. Yeah, excellent squad, especially for different TQ options. Surprisingly, no, they used a standard 4-4-2 (should've mentioned that). I don't think they doubled up on him so much as just man-marked him out of the game; I imagine that if they'd doubled up on him, my DLP Anita would have had an inflated pass count on account of being freed up. And when I watched his blocked passes it generally didn't look as if he had more than one man on or around him. But some good questions, it's given me something to think about - I'll have to go back and re-watch the match to assess whether their focus on him freed up the other players (Eriksen assisted both goals, one from LW and one from RW - the second one was a gorgeous through ball, similar to the Bale goal you posted earlier in the thread. I might keep him on the RW for a few more games to see how he goes, even if he won't be cutting in on his stronger foot). If he was the reason we won, then I wouldn't mind him being marked out of every game
  5. This is related to FM12, but despite the different match engine I'm hoping that it's still applicable. I'd previously used wwfan's Barca tactic with lots of success, so it was interesting to see Cleon's (slightly different) version of it; and the discussion in this thread has made me understand a lot about it that hadn't occurred to me before. It's interesting to see you use the "Run at Defence" shout - the Inside Forwards already run with ball often, so the only effect it would have is increase the TQ's run with ball, correct? That suits the Spurs squad, especially Defoe (because I was surprised to see that you'd managed to get success with him as a TQ, but then I understood that the shout would have played a big part). I never used it with Liverpool (Kuyt was my TQ), but I might consider it if I ever find myself with a potential TQ with good dribbling ability. Another reason, IMO, for this tactic's defensive solidity, are the "run from deep" settings - with the two CB's, the DM (defend) and the DLP all on "rarely", you guarantee yourself a very solid central defensive 'core', much like what you get in a 4-2-3-1, allowing the rest of the team to get forward (except of course the TQ). Just something I hadn't seen mentioned which I thought was worth considering when people are building their own tactics, because looking at the run from deep settings across a team is great to ensure you aren't vulnerable to counter-attacks. One question: Cleon, you man-marked Barca's midfielders out of the game, but what would you do if an opponent man-marked your Advanced Playmaker out of a game? Just had this happen while managing Ajax in the Johan Cruiff Schaal against PSV. Noticed at halftime that Lodeiro, my AP, only had 13 passes attempted (with 7 completed, others blocked) while the rest of the team had 25-30. I won comfortably anyway, but just wondering whether anyone has ideas on how to combat this?
  6. Wait, are you using this for FM12 or FM13? Because from what I've heard, FM13 overpowers wingers, so a 4-1-2-1-2 probably would struggle; this tactic was made for FM12, after all. Having said that, if it still does well in FM13, then great - I just wouldn't expect to replicate other results in this thread on a new match engine that still has flaws.
  7. Hasn't the new ME seriously overpowered wingers? If that's the case, it's no surprise the narrow diamond is being torn apart. Try the wider diamond, with an LM and RM instead of the 2 CM's, maybe? Or even one of the Italian configurations (4-1-3-2, 4-3-1-2) might work better, because having 3 CM's will let the left and right ones shuttle and protect the flanks.
  8. Charlie Adam was surprisingly good as well - it really seems to suit more 'direct' players, in comparison to a playmaking type like Maxi Rodriguez. Hmm, interesting about the fullbacks - I would have thought the target man moves more to the left, so crosses from the right-back were more likely to find him? From memory, Enrique's assists tended to be to the poacher rather than the target man, while Johnson/Kelly put in good crosses for Carroll/Kuyt. Maybe the left-back's more effective because he's got more cover, with the ball-winning midfielder on that side, while the right-back has to do more defensive work; or the fact that on this match engine, most keepers will distribute the ball out to the left-back. That regen looks like he's worth the time and effort, I'd certainly persist with him. There's some good threads in the Tactics/Training discussion forum about developing youngsters, I'd check them out if you haven't already.
  9. Right, finally had enough time to give this a run-through. Just used a small database with only England (PL to League 2) loaded, but given that Liverpool had no European football that shouldn't have made a difference. Transfers: Only one, purchased Kwadwo Asamoah for the ball-winning midfielder role. Nobody sold, although I released Fabio Aurelio in March after he got a season-ending injury. Achievements: Won the Premier League with 2 games to spare, as well as the Carling Cup. The FA Cup was a disappointment, knocked out by Aston Villa (under Michael Laudrup; they'd sacked McLeish by now) at the earliest opportunity. In hindsight I should have used my first-choice XI, which had just thrashed them in the league. Fixtures & Results: Not pictured is the last game of the season, a 3-2 away win at Sunderland; didn't want to take a 3rd screenshot just for one game. Player stats: The only players not pictured are Fabio Aurelio (as explained above), and Stewart Downing, who broke his leg in pre-season (but wasn't really going to fit into this tactic anyway). Suarez, Carroll and Kuyt ran amok up front, and Gerrard was beastly as the AM. The only player who really disappointed was Glen Johnson, with Martin Kelly usurping him as my preferred right-back; this formation really does seem to prefer defensively solid fullbacks rather than attacking ones. Also, Jay Spearing was a surprisingly good backup in both the ball-winning and defensive midfield roles. In addition, Gerrard was runner-up for PL and World Players of the Year, and made the PL and World Teams of the Year. Suarez was a substitute for the PL and World Teams of the Year; Reina was runner-up for the Golden Glove and substitute for the PL Team of the Year. Summary: Excellent tactic; defensively solid, but more than capable of thrashing teams. I didn't make any tweaks - making the fullbacks more attacking weakened the tactic rather than improving it. The only adjustment I made was reducing the strategy in game if I wasn't dominating possession (then manually adjusting the width to match) And, it's the first tactic I've seen make good use of Carroll (some of his goals were from the near-post corner trick, but he scored a lot from open play as well, whereas most of Kuyt's goals were near-post corner goals). Great stuff OP!
  10. Thanks for the quick reply! To clarify, do you keep the focus on 'teamwork' even after pre-season? Yeah, the starting Liverpool squad is almost perfect for this - every position has two players for it except the BWM support, which I'll probably pick someone up for, and the only players who don't fit in are Downing, and possibly Coates if pace is an issue (Carra as well, but he's hardly going to be involved a great deal anyway.) Shame to hear that, although the 4-1-2-1-2 is narrow in the first place, without making it narrow in the sliders. But as you said, your games so far are against two great sides and your bogey team - it's too early to tell. I'll be sure to post my results with Liverpool here EDIT: Just realized you'd already answered my questions in your OP. Sorry!
  11. Just keep in mind that friendlies aren't a good indicator of how a tactic will perform in competitive fixtures, especially because the same opposition will be much stronger in a competitive game than in the friendly (even with the same starting XI). Would love to know how these tweaks fare once pre-season is over. I'm inclined to give this tactic a go, perhaps with the Liverpool side that starts the game - it'd be good to actually do something with Andy Carroll beyond transfer listing him and sending him to the reserves. Swansea might be a good bet as well, to assess a weaker side. Just some quick questions - before you set the small pitch and narrow width, what pitch size were you using? Just standard? Also, any specific match preparation you utilise? Opposition instructions?
  12. If you're leaking goals, look at what type of goals you're leaking and the nature of the assists; are you getting beaten by fast strikers released by through balls or balls over the top? Are you conceding from crosses, or a lot of the assists coming from the flanks? Are they mostly shots from outside the area? Is it set pieces? Once you've identified the nature of the goals you're leaking, you'll be able to take steps to fix it.
  13. It would be a great feature if you could go to the board with a request like that. A board will ignore your results in a competition for one of two reasons: 1. If you're a very small club, then they might say "we hope you learn from the experience of competing in X" - I've seen this come up a lot when I'm a newly promoted side whose main focus should be avoiding relegation, and the board will say that one or more of the cup competitions aren't important 2. If you're a very big club, then they might say "we do not consider this competition important and will be judging you on other competitions" - i.e. a Champions League club won't be too fussed about the Carling Cup.
  14. Strategy generally affects 5 things: player mentality and the four team parameters (defensive line, width, tempo and time wasting). In the case of the counter strategy, it also enables the 'counter attack' tick option. This tick option causes the "high tempo" shift that can take place when the team gets possession and sees an opportunity to break. However, because strategy does not affect player passing distance, choosing "counter" doesn't immediately lead to launching long balls. Equally, you should note that setting passing to 'short' doesn't mean longer passes are never played, they are just played less frequently. Even though he's changed the sliders manually, the strategy he's chosen will still affect player mentality, which is the key reason he's chosen "counter" instead of "standard". I like to think of player mentality as their willingness to take risks or play it safe; the lower their mentality, the safer they play, while the higher their mentality the more willing they are to take risks. As such, a counter strategy suits retaining possession, as players look to make short passes to available options rather than the ambitious pass that might not even have a 50-50 chance of success. All in all, I'd say "counter" is a very bad choice of name for the strategy, much like "control" is, and a lot of people misunderstand the mechanics behind the two strategies because of the automatic connotations they have with the name.
  15. Teams will still know what to expect of Rodgers, even if it's now with Liverpool players rather than Swansea ones; judging by pre-season so far (which isn't a fantastic indicator, granted) the system hasn't shown much change from Swansea. Everton actually countered Swansea very well, pressing heavily in midfield, so the Merseyside derby this season could be intriguing. You're right, though, that it will be interesting to see how Rodgers adapts to teams 'figuring out' his system, it's just that he'll have to do so at Liverpool rather than at Swansea. While it's true the foundation was there, to say he only maintained it is a bit harsh - under Paulo Sousa they scored 40 goals in 46 games. In Rodgers' first season that figure was 69 goals. Obviously part of this was down to signing better quality players, but the team became more attacking than they were under Sousa. I'm hoping to see us use a "B-team" for the Europa League and focus on the Premiership. No disrespect to the Europa League, but it's not as important to our immediate future. Also, about your OP - did Allen contribute enough defensively for you as an AP? I'd have thought he'd be more of a DLP. And why leave counter-attack unticked? There was a fair few occasions last season where Swansea would pass it around their own half or near the centre circle, then spot an opening and break quickly, playing at a higher tempo to their usual passing game.; it's not counter-attacking in the same way as, say, Martin O'Neill's sides, but I would have thought ticking 'counter' would facilitate fast breaks like this.
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