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On 16/03/2022 at 12:38, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
In team training I focus on general sessions:
- Attacking
- Defending
- Endurance during pre-season, Tactics during season
If you open the game, grab a notepad and note down all the attributes covered then I am pretty sure everything is covered there.
This time I went fairly heavy on team cohesion and tactical familiarity during pre-season so could ease off and allocate more sessions for rest/recovery as the season kicked on.
Do you still use broad role training or position training to cover all role attributes on players?
Do I understand you correct that during the season you use your own training schedule thats build upon only attacking, defending and tactics general sessions?
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Fantastic work once again, @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!!
Would you care to elaborate how you approach training in FM22?
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58 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
I'd say check the Caixa Academy thread for lots of detail, but in general I look at:-
Football intelligence
- Decisions, Anticipation and Vision across the board, positioning for more defensive players, off the ball for more attacking players
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Technical ability
- Technique, first touch, passing, weaker foot
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Personally
- Professionalism, Determination, Work Rate
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Versatility
- I usually train players in at least 3 positions to ensure we have lots of tactical options as the team develops
- Position-specific attributes
Thanks. How do you approach the training in FM22 when you don’t have the tactical team training you emphasised a lot in FM18?
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Football intelligence
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On 19/12/2021 at 10:36, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
My first step was to switch from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3. The 4-2-3-1 was very stable, great possession and created a 3-2-5 attacking shape and was strong enough to get us back into Europe. The 4-3-3 gives us an extra attacking player on the field and potential to attack as a 3-1-6 which has already broken down a lot of sides.Last season we drew 10, including the likes of Newcastle, Everton, Burnley, West Ham, Villa etc. This season, only 3 which were Newcastle and West Ham again and Brentford (now managed by Wilder) so it's still an issue but we're improving.
I'm happy with the tactics but need to give the players a bit more time to develop. I've put a lot of faith in Martinelli, Balogun and Nketiah and sometimes we have missed a proven goalscorer but I think it will be worth it in the long run.
I always targeted 3rd season for the title - Salah, Mane, Firminho, De Bruyne and Kante all turn the wrong side of 30 and Guardiola's contract at City finishes.
What do look at the most when judging the development of your players, tactic and team as a whole? Attributes, how they play out the tactic in the ME or both? Do you highlight or have focus on some attributes like anticipation, decisions and teamwork? Any other attributes?
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6 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Ask me in 19 games
We're holding our own. Outscoring anyone else in the league comfortably. Have been a bit exposed in the bigger games - perhaps due to the aggressive 3-1-6 shape. Need to make up for a couple of early draws against low-block sides.Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea are pretty relentless.
What would be your first adjustment to challenge the low-block sides sitting deep? Upping the tempo to try to play around them enough to make an opening?
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1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Do you mind sharing the rest of the PIs? Stay wider on the IW? Narrower on the IF? Move into channels on the RPM?
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7 hours ago, coach vahid said:
Can you explain more your formations (the idea behind IWB/W and WB/If) and why different roles for the 3 midfielders.
Thanks.
This is only a copy of @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!s tactics he used earlier in his Benfica save. He has explained his tactics through and throuh in an excellent way
1 hour ago, cristhianlinhatti said:Thanks !!!
you save my gameCredit should be placed where credit is due. This is all @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!
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Following on from he discussion that started in the Arsenal thread, I have made an attempt on replicating the controlled possession 4-3-3s in FM22.
A "positive" mentality gives a bigger spread of individual mentality, so "attacking" is the option for making it more compact throughout the team.
The IF/Wb version gives this individual mentalities:
GK: Balanced
DR: Attacking
DC: Balanced
DC: Balanced
DL: Attacking
DM: Balanced
MCR: Positive
MCL: Positive
AMR: Attacking
AML: Attacking
ST: AttackingThe 4-3-3 with IWB and Wingers I can make with the same individual mentalities.
I would wish that my striker was on positive and that the Mezz was on attacking, but thats not possible. All att roles for a MC goes to very attacking and all support roles for a striker is atleast attacking.
I`ll give them a run in-game and see how they play in the ME.
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18 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Good question
I would say it's a variant of possession football rather than "the core", as there's lots of different ways to do it.
The core - for me - is collectivism; lots well-rounded, hard working and players with a team ethic capable of contributing to both attack and defence combined with tactics which:
- Re-enforce that collectivism; lots of Support duties with either Positive/Attacking team mentality.
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Organised pressing, collectively as a team.
- Doesn't necessarily need to be high pressing, but it does need to be organised and press together, as a team.
- We play high pressing; longer-term we could potentially max that out.
- Structure that facilitates clean build-up play through either a 3-2, 2-3 or 3-1 shape from the back.
- Clear attacking shape most commonly either 2-3-5 or 3-2-5 in the attacking phase.
Within possession itself, we play a short-passing system but there are plenty of possession sides playing more directly, and anything in between. I'd like to play higher tempo in the long-run but I don't think we're ready yet.
Since the removal of Team Shape, Football Manager sadly no longer distinguishes between structured and fluid styles of play. If we still had that functionality, I'd be playing Structured but I am trying to move on from that as we no longer have that functionality. I did try using More Disciplined but it's seemed a bit redundant so far; more experimentation required. My approach of using an expansive team mentality with Support duties means the Tactics Creator is always going to call my systems "Very Fluid", but - as we all know - that's nothing more than a label these days.
So you`re working towards overload, is that what you`re saying?
I guess using Be More Expressive is a bit counter-productive since that will make players drift away from the collective instructions. Something that would be easier to obtain with the old very fluid team shape
Gonna have a look and see how close I can get to a compact and collective set-up on the 4-3-3s.
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18 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
It's similar, but the structure is different.The playing style is similar to the disciplined possession-oriented style I used early in that save, however the structure is based up how Arteta set up in the Tottenham match; the 4-2-3-1 becoming a 3-2-5 or 2-3-5 in attacking phases.
Would you say that the TIs you have is the "core" instructions for the FM22 version of the highly structured possession style?
If I remember correctly you used control on the Benfica save? Is much shorter passing a way to gain "retain possession" and adjusting for the attacking mentality? I guess the attacking mentality and no tempo adjustment makes for a more direct and penetrating football than control and lower tempo?
How have you set-up the 4-3-3 with this Arsenal team? Have you tried to make the 4-3-3s (IFs and WBs and Wingers and IWBs) on FM22?
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11 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
It's similar, but the structure is different.The playing style is similar to the disciplined possession-oriented style I used early in that save, however the structure is based up how Arteta set up in the Tottenham match; the 4-2-3-1 becoming a 3-2-5 or 2-3-5 in attacking phases.
I thought it looked familiar
I`m doing a save with the same approach you did in your 2nd attempt with Benfica, and will try to make a 4-3-3 with IF/IWs and wing-backs based on this playing style. Have you tried to make the 4-3-3s from the Benfica save in FM22?
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On 01/12/2021 at 11:31, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Wow, very close; I'm impressed.
Overall, I'm very happy with it. We're good in every phase. We're actually top scorers, best defence and highest possession in the league. A few too many draws away from home mean Man City & Liverpool are ahead of us but we're comfortably getting back into the Champions League.Particularly happy given I sold Lacazette and Aubameyang. I've really focused on bringing through Martinelli but Balogun and Nketiah have both also had a lot of game time.
My goal is to play a 4-2-3-1 which defends as a 4-4-1-1 and attacks as a 3-2-5
- Tomiyasu sits deep and tucks in, forming a three with Gabriel and White. Gabriel stays wider to balance.
- Xhaka and Partey both hold midfield as a simple midfield double pivot.
- Tierney overlaps to create a five in attack with Smith-Rowe
I'm still not quite happy with the positioning on the Tomiyasu and Smith-Rowe. Both are staying too wide in possession which I understand may be a common complaint with the FM 2022 Match Engine.Is this the system you have landed on@Ö-zil to the Arsenal!? Would you say this a FM22 version/attempt on your Benfica approach tactically?
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On 23/07/2020 at 12:22, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
2024/25 Pre-Season
Another pretty quiet summer. Operating in another dead post-Brexit apocalyptic transfer window, the main agenda was selling a few of the peripheral squad players to make room for another crop of youngsters.The saddest departure was certainly Pedro Rodrigues, who has been such a wonderful servant to the club, to Arsenal for £32m. I was hoping for a better move for Vinicius Junior, he's really ready to be the main man at one of the big European clubs, but there was really only interest from Monaco who have fallen just a little bit behind. Thiago Almada couldn't even attract a sensible bid, so he's gone out on loan with an intention to sell next summer.
Biggest news was blockbuster new contracts for all the star players at £250,000 p/w. It's a set-back against my goal of becoming a self-sustainable club as we are going to need to rely on transfer revenue for the foreseeable future, but the team is now stable, winning everything, and filling an 80,000 capacity stadium.
Following Euro 2024 and the Olympics, we had a short pre-season tour of China and have continued as we left off in the league.
At the moment, I'm not anticipating a great amount of change tactically.
Lots of new faces promoted after a successful period with Benfica B or being loaned out.
Benfica B also have a new crop, some of which have potential to contend for the first team in future years.
Academy is ticking over. Doesn't need to be spectacular at this point. Lisboa looks like a real talent.
Where have Dias and Bobsin ended up? Are they sold? I haven´t seen them in the trahsfer overview for a couple of seasons.
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On 23/07/2020 at 12:22, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
2024/25 Pre-Season
Another pretty quiet summer. Operating in another dead post-Brexit apocalyptic transfer window, the main agenda was selling a few of the peripheral squad players to make room for another crop of youngsters.The saddest departure was certainly Pedro Rodrigues, who has been such a wonderful servant to the club, to Arsenal for £32m. I was hoping for a better move for Vinicius Junior, he's really ready to be the main man at one of the big European clubs, but there was really only interest from Monaco who have fallen just a little bit behind. Thiago Almada couldn't even attract a sensible bid, so he's gone out on loan with an intention to sell next summer.
Biggest news was blockbuster new contracts for all the star players at £250,000 p/w. It's a set-back against my goal of becoming a self-sustainable club as we are going to need to rely on transfer revenue for the foreseeable future, but the team is now stable, winning everything, and filling an 80,000 capacity stadium.
Following Euro 2024 and the Olympics, we had a short pre-season tour of China and have continued as we left off in the league.
At the moment, I'm not anticipating a great amount of change tactically.
Lots of new faces promoted after a successful period with Benfica B or being loaned out.
Benfica B also have a new crop, some of which have potential to contend for the first team in future years.
Academy is ticking over. Doesn't need to be spectacular at this point. Lisboa looks like a real talent.I see that you only have 40 players overall in the screen print of wages. Have you gone away fra 22 + 16-18 + 16-18 players in your squads? Whats the numbers in each squad atm?
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Is it the latest official database update for FM18 you have based your game on @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!? 18.3 I think it was?
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4 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Depends very much on the player; there's lots of different types of striker out there!Complete Forward would be a good option. I am not sure why you mean by "hold up the ball too much"; I am not sure it would hold the ball up any more than any other role which holds the ball up?
Deep-Lying Forward and Complete Forward are very similar; both hold up the ball but the Complete Forward roams from position.
It really depends on the context of the player and the rest of the team.
Thanks. IMO it looks like that the CF holds the ball up more just for the sake of it than a DLP, but this can be down to the player I use. I have Benzema atm who is quite good at link-up play, so the F9 is an ok role for him. I`m thinking of using Hazard there since he is better on the ball and more complete than Benzema. Havertz or Kane is possible buys to get more of a scorer/creator kind of player.
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12 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
2022/23 Season Update
This was a weird season. For part of the season it felt like the season after our best ever season; for another part of the season it felt like the transition to a new team; and for the - for the 3rd, and final, act - it felt like our best season ever.
Part One: post-2022I am searching for a screenshot which will explain this section; it's difficult as the results remained excellent, but something was missing.
Tired after heroic World Cup exploits and picking up knocks all over the place, we didn't manage to put out our full starting 11 at all in the first few months of the season.
Form was good, results were good, but not quite at the same level as last season. The midfield felt a bit slower, our attacking trio hadn't played together and I couldn't settle on the best partner for Pinto at the back.
We were starting to get a little bit flat and I was wondering if it was time to start moving on a few big names to freshen the squad. Fortunately the transfer market in January was still non-existent, otherwise I may have made a mistake if the right bid came in. Pragmatism is not my strong point.
Part Two: the New WaveWhilst much of the squad was a bit flat, Vitor Costa was a breath of fresh air.
Costa - all of a sudden - was the heartbeat of the team, playing a high-energy crisp passing game and it became increasingly clear I had to find a place for him in the starting 11.I couldn't possibly replace Dantas, could I? No.
That was never a serious consideration. But nevertheless I did have to find a way to accommodate Vitor Costa.
Florentino Luis was the weakest creative link in our midfield, and was doing OK but not setting the world alight in his Box-to-Box role. I'd tried - and failed - playing without Luis before so was extremely apprehensive about dropping him, but Costa isn't direct enough for the Xadas-role so I decided replace Luis and push Dantas into a more advanced role.
That was encouraging, but not quite there. The squad was still extremely disrupted - with Jota, Embalo, Alves, Vinicius Junior, Guimaraes and Tralhao all had 1 month+ injuries - but we started to click.The passing play was quicker and more decisive, back to dominating teams with chance after chance.
It was ultimately the injuries in central defence in which we stumbled into the system which clicked.
Part 3: New and.. improved?
Costa successfully developed his weaker foot to become either footed and started to become more dynamic which meant Dantas went back into his favoured DLP(D) role and Costa in midfield.The majority of the time I prefer one playmaker; but in this instance, it was simply the quality of the two that necessitated two.
I experimented with a DLP(S) but they were too one-dimensional?
and the advanced playmaker can run wide with the ball to occupy that crucial space flanking an opposition double pivot.
Florentino Luis has matured to become an outstanding central defender. He's the most intelligent defensive player in Europe and is one of the best ball playing defenders out there.
I don't know how I am going to tell the guys in the Total Football thread I added attack duties
The mentality split is:
12 17 17 14 14 14 17 14 14 17 14
Honestly, it's very similar.I wanted to accentuate the False 9 role by encouraging the Inside Forwards to advance beyond him more.
Deep-lying Playmaker vs Advanced PlaymakerJust a very brief comment on something I also noticed a few years ago with Barcelona.
Despite common sense that the Deep-Lying Playmaker should see more of the ball - being in more space, involved earlier in build up - the Advanced Playmaker invariably does.
Dantas stats in both roles:
Costa stats in both roles:
This is why I shifted to the Mezzala years ago but right now I think Costa justifies the playmaker role.Now for the reason I say this might be the best football we have played so far..
This is a grudge match. Despite our ever expanding gulf in reputation, Monaco have been unsettling my best players for years. Now, it's pay back time.
Coached by - one of my favourite managers - Leonardo Jardim; Monaco play an attacking 4-2-3-1. Lots of fairly well known names there, but I'd just highlight Gustavo Scarpa who - I had never heard of - but is a superb, well-rounded playmaker I will be snapping up in future.
Now that is how you win a Champions League
On a more serious note, please notice a couple of things:
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Jota - these creative force of a two-footed Inside Forward.
- Impossible to defend - able to cut inside and shoot or go outside and cross; with a wingback overlapping.
- Joao Felix - deep movement during build up
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Monaco have one of the worst defensive structures I have seen from a top side:
- They're high up, wingbacks often forward
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Zero compactness between their central defenders and midfield.
- I'd guess one midfielder is a Ball Winning Midfielder, the other maybe Box-to-Box or something with Roam from Position, as he's rarely in position.
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Zero compactness on their flanks; regular massive gaping holes.
- Pulisic and Lemar must be attacking roles, maybe even Trequartistas or IF(A); we walked through them.
Shame I cannot show an extra couple of seconds as some of those would show you a lot on the counter, and in the build up.
Road to the Final..
League
Closest I have been to not conceding all year. Conceded two in the end; one mid-way through the season when 5-0 up and one when we had already won the league
Stats for those who are interested.
Let's see if the post-Brexit transfer market has recovered this year..if you were to change the false 9 role to a more common striker role but have the rest of the tactic as it is, which role would you pick?
Would a CFs hold up the ball too much? It would have more roaming to the wings, and not be suited to a Joao Felix kind of player maybe? Or would you pick a DLFs who would drop more centrally and mimic the False 9 more? I`m thinking that the DLPs would have less touches but more of the same movement as the F9.
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Jota - these creative force of a two-footed Inside Forward.
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19 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Edit: just tagging @fmFutbolManager to make sure you see the link above as it may be useful for your mentality calculator..OK so this should indeed be a 'go to' resource for anyone trying to navigate the Football Manager 2020 tactics creator. Thanks again for sharing.
Nothing new for those who have followed the Caixa Academy threat but it's nicely laid out all in one place.
Applying this to the style of play we are trying to create gives two options:
Which gives you:Balanced Positive Positive Positive Positive Positive Positive Positive Positive Positive Positive
Or knock the mentality down to positive, switch to inside forwards and have the fullbacks overlap for:
Which gives you:
Balanced Attacking Attacking Positive Positive Balanced Attacking Balanced Balanced Attacking Balanced
Unfortunately you lose the mystique of the entire team playing the collective, attacking football but both should work pretty wellI did not think it was possible, but you have again outdone yourself with this thread @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!!
I don`t think you can underestimate what impact you have on so many of us, based on all the well deserved feedback and appreciation you get, I hope you understand
Is this the TI you wolud use if you set this up in FM20? I would imagine much shorter passing would be an option emulating retain possession?
Distrubte to cbs? Get further forward on the IW/IF?Can I also ask you how you would best set-up the 3-4-3 diamond on FM20?
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4 minutes ago, Djuicer said:
Thats incorrect. The LBs gets attacking.
Thanks for noticing. Thats even better getting compactness on the flanks. I just tried in the mentality calculator and not in the game itself.
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1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Looks excellent, nice work! Extremely minor, but my only other suggestion would be to maybe up the defensive line/line of engagement as you really want that aggressive press.
Ah, yes. I was wondering how long it'd take to run into limitations on the FM2020 tactics creator!
My first observation would be that looking at the PIs the Inverted Winger and the Inside Forward are identical aside from mentality however there may be some hard-coded behaviour, as otherwise the change is utterly pointless.
In my system both have the same instructions but Jota could certainly be described as an Inverted Winger whereas Embalo more of a wide forward so I would suggest deciding based on the player.
I do not like the idea of 'very attacking' whilst the others are positive. That doesn't sound much like he'll be contributing to defence at all.
Does Inside Forward + Overlap give you:
Pos Att Att Pos Pos Pos Att Pos Pos Att Pos?
If so I think that looks pretty good. I actually think I direct replication of my system would be everyone on Attack but not sure how it's possible in FM2020. The labels are really subjective and 14 out of 20 would be on a boundary between Positive and Attack so it'd be extremely marginal. Just my OCD coming out again really
I don't know why on earth they don't scrap Duties all together and just let you pick an Individual Mentality anyway..
Inside forward + overlap makes it:
So better than very attacking at least. So its either IF and overlap or a customised IW to get positive on both.
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On 02/04/2020 at 13:26, AndersAas said:
Thanks for the quick reply. My initial set-up (copying your latest FM18 tactics) were the same.
I find among other things that the overlap (wb version) and underlap (IWB version) lowers the AML/R mentality and hightens the WB/IWB mentality, needed to make it more compact. What I find amusing is that putting the defensive line to much lower an the line of engament to much higher, actullay does not change the mentality of the players. But obvs will contribute to more/less compactness. I will continue to see if changing other TIs will change something, and try these two tactics in my current save game. As far as I can understand it`s either changing player roles or TIs that can change CF and/or roaming that contributes in the following to the fluidity of the tactic. I tried changing different PIs but that does not change the mentality of a player, and you dont have any other way of changing the CF of a player besides the "take more risks" PI.
To create your usual style of play, I will make the tactics with much shorter passing (emulating retain possesion),pass into space, play out of defence, exploit the middle, standard def line and line of engagement, extremely urgent pressing intensity.
For the WB version obvs overlap, and for the "Pep" version underlap + extremely wide attacking width.For PIs I will experiment with get further forward for the Wingers/IF to try to have more direct penetration because of the supporting roles, and distribute to centrebacks from the GK.
Any changes you would initially do to this setup?
I`ll let you know how it works.
Hi again, @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!
Just wanted to give a quick update on how things are coming along.
I`ve tried to recreate with two different teams. My leage winning side in Norway, and......Benfica.
With my Norwegian side which obviously have quite a lower level when it comes to footballing intelligence I struggled with possession numbers. Putting in "Be more disciplined" helped, but that also make play more mechanic and I did not score that many goals. Same as you`ve mentioned earlier.
I`ve just started a save game with Benfica trying to basically do the same thing as you`ve done in a kind of hybrid between your two attempts. The first season will be focused on the existing squad and current ability, like you did in your first attempt. This to (hopefully) have some instant success and drive up value for the established players. At the same time I`m using the first season to put promising youngsters through individual role training who focus on work rate, teamwork and stamina. This also often gives an extra benefit of training them in new positions. AMR/L in MR/ML, AMC to ST and MC or DC to DMC.
After playing a couple of friendlies with Benfica I`m seeing a quite compact team. I haven`t neither "Be more disciplined or Expressive" as a TI. In my opinion that suits the current level of a current ability focused Benfica first XI. They have less specialists in their current squad than they did at the time of your first attempt, but not totally fluid and high creative freedom quality players yet. I`m thinking this is a golden spot in between the two for the time being. Most of your tactics is as far as mentality goes possible to recreate in FM 20, so compactness is achieveable. I`m finding that the current ME have a lot of crossing, and that even with the low crosses TI ticked, there is a lof of "normal" crosses. This can be related to not choosing "Be more disciplined" or some PPMs. I need to look at this more.
Tactic is based on the 4-2-3-1 you used the first season on your first attempt, but with playing style based on the "core instructions" you had on page 14.
SKswbs
wbs bdpd - bpds - wbs
dmd - dlpsiws - ams - iws
dlps
Positive (Control) - play out of def, through the middle, shorter passing, low crosses.
Standard def line, lower line of engagement and more urgent pressing for a middle block with heavier pressing. Since it`s a 4-2-3-1 I don`t want to have extremely more urgent pressing since that can affect compactness and shape to much.I`ll let you know how things develops.
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1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Thank you for the words and good question!My advice would actually be to detach from the numerical mentality system all together and use the labels. Creating the current system I would be aiming for the following:
GK: Balanced
DR: Positive/Attacking
DC: Balanced
DC: Balanced
DL: Positive/Attacking
DM: Balanced
MCR: Positive
MCL: Positive/Attacking
AMR: Positive/Attacking
AML: Positive/Attacking
AMC: AttackingIn order to do that I'd start with a Positive team mentality, using mainly Support duties.
Messing around with the demo, this is the closest I could get. You might be able to get closer with some more experimentation:
Classic custom tiki-taka Ignore the TIs apart from Exploit the Middle and Overlapping Left/Right (in the Wingback version).
My Attack duties jump straight to Very Attacking, which doesn't seem ideal, but I'd give it a shot. I'd keep an eye on it, but would worry about penetration with nobody classed as Attacking. I guess the term Very Attacking is subjective.
As general rules I'd want:
- My playmaker on Positive mentality.
- My DC-DC-DM on the same mentality for compactness centrally
- My DR/L-AMR/L on the same mentality for compactness on the flanks
Unfortunately we've totally lost the functionality of Fluid or Structured team shape but I guess you could use more/less disciplined and more/less roaming. I don't think 'Team Fluidity' is anything more then a function of the D/S/A duties.
Interested to hear how it plays, if someone gives it a shot
Thanks for the quick reply. My initial set-up (copying your latest FM18 tactics) were the same.
I find among other things that the overlap (wb version) and underlap (IWB version) lowers the AML/R mentality and hightens the WB/IWB mentality, needed to make it more compact. What I find amusing is that putting the defensive line to much lower an the line of engament to much higher, actullay does not change the mentality of the players. But obvs will contribute to more/less compactness. I will continue to see if changing other TIs will change something, and try these two tactics in my current save game. As far as I can understand it`s either changing player roles or TIs that can change CF and/or roaming that contributes in the following to the fluidity of the tactic. I tried changing different PIs but that does not change the mentality of a player, and you dont have any other way of changing the CF of a player besides the "take more risks" PI.
To create your usual style of play, I will make the tactics with much shorter passing (emulating retain possesion),pass into space, play out of defence, exploit the middle, standard def line and line of engagement, extremely urgent pressing intensity.
For the WB version obvs overlap, and for the "Pep" version underlap + extremely wide attacking width.For PIs I will experiment with get further forward for the Wingers/IF to try to have more direct penetration because of the supporting roles, and distribute to centrebacks from the GK.
Any changes you would initially do to this setup?
I`ll let you know how it works.
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I`m a long time admirer of your work, and fondly remember my FM16 or 17 save with Sporting based on your Cruyff diamond and the modern 4-1-4-1. I`ve followed your threads all the way and are really impressed with how good you are at explaining complex tactical thoughts in a very understandable way. That is key to get your points across.
I`m trying to translate your work into FM20, but that is a hard task when the different player mentalites are so generic and hard to differentiate. @MadOnion tried a bit earlier in the thread, and I`ve continued his thoughts of translating mentality numbers into ranges. This is a start to my project of investigating if it is possible to make a compact, high-pressure, possession based tactic built on your principles in FM20. So far I`ve struggled of getting the mentalities right, because of the change that different player roles now have different mentality. I`ve set up the ranges like this:
Very defensive: 1-2
Defensive: 3-5
Cautious: 6-8
Balanced: 9-12
Positive: 13-15
Attacking: 16-18
Very attacikng: 19-20
Any thoughts on the ranges?
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I would say it's a variant of possession football rather than "the core", as there's lots of different ways to do it.
I`m doing a save with the same approach you did in your 2nd attempt with Benfica, and will try to make a 4-3-3 with IF/IWs and wing-backs based on this playing style. Have you tried to make the 4-3-3s from the Benfica save in FM22?
Trusting the Process - Collectivism, Rotations & Control
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What PIs do you use in this setup @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!?
I would guess:
Sit narrower and hold position on the RB?
Move into channels and get furher forward on the RCM?
High and wide on the IWs?
Roam on the F9?