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  1. 1 minute ago, herne79 said:

    Why won't he track back much?  A winger (attack) in the MR position on Counter(?) mentality should track back, even if he doesn't have much work rate.

    Sorry I thought I read somewhere that Wingers don't tend to track back much? Are you questioning having a Winger on an Attack duty on a Counter mentality? It was to give the side balance and movement. Do you feel it would be better on another role?

  2. 2 minutes ago, Bigpapa42 said:

    Well, a key part of the idea of playing a counter-centric tactic is that you can defend effectively. The more players back, the better. With a 4-3-3, you have 3 players more forward who are not going to defend all that much. Pulling them back into the MC strata will help. It leaves the ST a bit isolated, but you can use roles and even PIs to get the wide players fairly far forward when you have the ball in a non-counter situation.

    I decided to pull them back, I've got a W/P support on the left and a Winger-Attack on the right, it's the winger I'm questioning as I know he wont track back much?

  3. 2 hours ago, Bigpapa42 said:

    A 4-4-1-1 isn't bad. Much like using a standard 4-4-2, who have the two forward players who aren't contribute that much on the defensive side. You might have to experiment with the roles for the AMC - if you use DF for the ST, you might find they actually do more work defensively than the AMC.

    Having one less player defending deep is a downside, but with a 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2, the upside is you have two players forward when a counter is triggered.

    OK thank you. I've tried a 4-3-3 wide, do you think I should pull them back to a flat 4-5-1?

  4. On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 16:33, herne79 said:

    A Counter Attack (in FM terms) is initiated by the game when certain criteria are met during the match.  I can't remember the exact criteria off the top of my head (it's probably detailed in this thread somewhere, I haven't read it for a while), but it's to do with the number of players in attack and defence when possession is lost so that you (or the opposition!) can create an overload and players sprint forward in attack (ie., a counter attack).

    When that happens, the AI essentially takes over, ignores all of your tactical settings, and makes your team (or the opposition if they are counter attacking - it works both ways) ultra attack minded for the duration of the counter attack.  Thus, any tactical settings that you make will be used by your team when you are not counter attacking.  In other words, you don't have to use tactical settings to make your team counter attack, as the AI does it for you.

    The basic idea is to set up in such a way as to encourage the opposition to over commit players forward in attack so that when they lose the ball you can get players forward quickly and in numbers, and so overload their defence.  So, a counter attacking system is very much about your formation - if you have lots of players in advanced positions (such as in a 4231), the opposition will be very unlikely to over commit men forward when in possession as they'll leave plenty back to mark your advanced players.  But in a different formation (such as the 4141 that Cleon demonstrates) you only have one player in an advanced position, so the opposition are less likely to leave so many players in defence and thus commit more forward.

    That's the basic idea, but Cleon goes through all of this in much greater detail which I'd encourage you to read.

    What about a 4-4-1-1? Or would you think to many advanced players?

  5. 19 minutes ago, llama3 said:

    I would change him into either an IF(S) or AP(S/A) generally. But sometimes I have even experimented with Ramsey as a Raumdeuter. Depends on the individual. I tend to go for 1 more direct wide man, with a WB(S) behind on 1 flank, with a WB(A) on the other flank, with a more technical/creative player coming inside ahead of him to create space to overlap. 

    Would you change your Winger? With having 2 WB's?

  6. 6 minutes ago, llama3 said:

    I would change him into either an IF(S) or AP(S/A) generally. But sometimes I have even experimented with Ramsey as a Raumdeuter. Depends on the individual. I tend to go for 1 more direct wide man, with a WB(S) behind on 1 flank, with a WB(A) on the other flank, with a more technical/creative player coming inside ahead of him to create space to overlap. 

    I'm finding the flat midfield isn't working to well, so I've pushed them up. So you wouldn't think twice about playing two AP's? As currently I've changed my AP in the middle to an AM support? And I've put the AP out wide but I've only got one WB the other as a FB.

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