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    [FM 24] asymmetrical 3-4-3

    in Tactics Sharing Centre (Upload/Download)

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    16 hours ago, LukeSavo said:

    Kept majority of roles the same. Instead of 2 CWB or 2 WB's I used 1 each due to the profile of my players and that seemed to work better for those specific players. I keep tinkering with the Liberos on defend duty for that extra defensive capability and for them to be ready if they need to. So far so good!

    Results on the save I use for trying new tactics:

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    Which team are you testing this with?

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    Building around an enigmatic 10

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    On 11/03/2024 at 02:47, gg10 said:

    That's modern football for you I guess. While I have been having difficulties with narrow formations such as the diamond/4-3-1-2, I have found that getting a 10 to work in a 4-2-3-1 is somewhat easier. Due to most formations nowadays using a DM, moving the 10 to the half spaces would actually make him thrive. In my tactic, this can be achieved by placing the double pivots in the DM strata, with one acting as an SV.

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    Due to this year's positional play improvements to the ME, the SV would bomb forward to the AM strata, pushing the AMC towards the right half space. The IWB would then move up and tuck in beside the DM, forming a midfield box in a 3-2-5 formation.

     

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    Pictured above is what the tactic typically looks like during the build up phase. As you can see in the image, the 10 (Torre) is staggered to the right half space (more of an AMCR position). With the wingers providing width and stretching the defense, the AMC has space to work his magic. This can lead to very cool killer balls to the striker, or to the winger cutting inside. He can also dribble and drive the ball forward, going into the box and putting in a cross, like a Mezzala, or having a go at goal himself. The one thing I have learned in the recent FMs is that the Half Space is king, and being able to exploit the half space can help bring out the best of your AMC.

     

    What Team Instructions and Player instructions are you using in your tactic?

    Would like to try it out!

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    Recreating Sarri's Napoli Side - Help

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, butdoeshetrackback said:

    Here's my interpretation. Fairly confident in how it plays after years of refining. Heavy emphasis on quick, up-tempo passing through the middle of the pitch. Some key player instructions: FB(L): Sit narrower, get further forward
    FR(R): Sit narrower, get further forward, cut inside with ball
    AM(L): Stay wider
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    Results?

    And are these all player instructions you use?

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    FM24: Aston Villa - The top 6 has a new villain

    in Good Player & Team Guide

    Posted

    2 hours ago, dido53 said:

    started out with villa and finished first season.Great season actually fınıshed 2nd ın the league won carabao and fa cup also conference league :) played 433 most of the season.Only down sıde was no newgens wıth great potentıal and ollıe watkıns was ın bad form all season.Fİrst season sold konsa and kamara for really bıg money also traore barry.Brought ın tammy abraham and manu kone at mıd season and they gelled quıckly.Its goıng nıce a good fırst team ıf you can set up a good tactıc and role combınatıons :)

    What tactic did you play?

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    FM24: Arsenal - Taking the next step

    in Good Player & Team Guide

    Posted

    23 hours ago, ajw10 said:

    The hoodoo is very much over

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    Strange summer. My #1 target was Tchouameni. He only started 5 League games for Real Madrid. I wanted extra physicality for the big games.

    Wasn't sure what to do for the rest, however Trossard won CL POTY last year so Real Madrid came in with a huge offer. Trossard also wanted £250k a week to stay. Vieira also had a meltdown, so he was off. 

    Tierney and Nelson went on loan with mandatory purchases. Tierney went to West Ham and Nelson went to Barcelona(!)

    Ferguson was a no brainer for that price as Brighton went down. Was going to replace Vieira but ESR needs more minutes and I want to bring through MLK and Nwaneri

     

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    What does your tactic (+ Team instructions/player instructions) look like?

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    Simple crafting of a 4-3-3 DM

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, bababooey said:

    Here's how I approach the 4-3-3, in my most recent save w/ Dortmund.

    We currently train two tactics, both utilizing the 4-3-3 DM shape, but with different approaches.

    I don't like the idea of having a "home" or "away" tactic. I prefer to have different styles of play that could be used regardless of where the match is played, or who we're playing against.

    That being said, our primary tactic is obviously going to be used more often, seeing as it is the primary tactic. 

     

    Primary Tactic:  BvB 433 HP (high press) - possession focused football

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    - We use a positive mentality simply because I want us to take more risks than the balanced mentality would offer, but less than the attacking mentality would.

    - The idea here is to build this tactic around a dominant central midfield triangle. For us, that's a combination of Bellingham, Khephrem Thuram, and Salih Ozcan. 

    - We press high and aim to control games in the opponent's half.

    - The DLF-A is a good striker choice here because he can spring forward into space when required, but will also help with the build up phase.

    - The RPM is clearly the heartbeat of the team, and for us that's Jude Bellingham.

    - Because this is a possession approach, I don't need either the AML or AMR to be on attack. Support works just fine.

    - The WB-D on the left side is sort of an experiment. I think our midfield is plenty solid to change this role, but, I'm enjoying what I see so far.

    - One thing we may look to change, is the width settings. You could make the case that this is too narrow.

     

    Secondary Tactic:  BvB 433 MB - (aggressive countering mid block)

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    - Team mentality has been changed to balanced, this is simply due to wanting to take that level of risk in our play

    - The shape has changed a bit by moving the DM into the CM strata. The reason for that, is we are playing an aggressive, compact mid-block. The goal is not to defend passively or be "defensive".  The goal is to aggressively engage our opponents in the middle of the pitch, win the ball back, and transition into the next phase of play. I find that using a DM-CM-CM triangle in a mid-block press makes it harder to win the ball back quickly. This also suits the players we have, so that's another reason why I made that adjustment.  YMMV.

    - Ideally, we win the ball back, and then we've got willing runners to get in behind and on the end of a pass. That's why we use an AF & IF-A in the STC and AMR spots. The IW-S should help balance out the front trio with some creativity on the ball.

    - In defense we've got with two supporting wing backs. This should enable us to make quicker transitions down the flanks.

    -  I could change one of the center back to BDP, but I felt it was not necessary here

    - The last thing I want to say about this, is that hopefully this approach will allow us to "shock" teams in the middle of a match. Let's say we're up 1-0, and the opponent starts to get much more attack-minded, well we can switch to this tactic to try and take advantage of the space they leave behind, etc.  That's the idea anyway!

     

     

     

    Do you use any Player Instructions?

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    Roberto de Zerbi - Tactical Attempt and Discussion

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    21 hours ago, Fantasista10 said:

    In my main save with Braga I have been running some variant of a 4-4-2 or 4-2-4 for the past couple seasons and it has now naturally developed into more of a De Zerbi 4-2-3-1. 

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    I’ve certainly taken some inspiration and pointers from others in this thread and also the View from the Touchline recreation. As someone who has followed RDZ since his Sassuolo days, I was keen to get some key principles of his to work: 

    - Building out from the back with a 4+2 (or 2+4), with the goalkeeper also involved creating another passing outlet 

    - Baiting the press with a slower build up that involves lots of passes (in particular wall passes)

    - Two wingers who stay wide and stretch play, with license to cut inside and link up with the front two in the final third 

    I feel like the above tactic I’ve been using does these three things very well, and quite effectively in the match engine.

    Both fullbacks are told to Sit Narrow to aid build up by playing closer to the centre backs and double pivot. The two BPDs dribble less with the intention of passing into the DMs ahead (who also dribble less) rather than dribbling their way out of the back. We try to bait the press this way, also aided by our Keeper slowing things down. 

    I think the Advanced Forward is probably the one role which I could change depending on the player. However I think currently at Brighton, Ferguson is more of a Complete Forward.

    I tested this with Brighton too, with great results. It can probably be tweaked further, as I play more games with it but so far it’s incredibly solid defensively and plays some great RDZ football. The Winger on attack is very strong in this tactic. 

    Did you use any specific player instructions that you didn't mention already?

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    [FM23] - French football thread

    in Good Player & Team Guide

    Posted

    On 21/04/2023 at 12:08, john1 said:

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    Still playing my Lens save and just hit Feb 2026, won the league last 2 seasons, this season tough one so far, especially with PSG, still buying stupid players they keep overfilling the team :lol:

     

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    Good to see we top of list for average possession :cool:

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    Openda, still on fire for me with 28 goals in 28 games in all competitions :cool:

    Looks like a great save!

    What tactic are you playing?

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    Narrow Diamond Help

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

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    22 hours ago, LatexGuru said:

    I am new to the forum but I have been playing this 41212 narrow diamond system for a long time with FM23(2300 hours) and also with previous editions, so I would like to suggest some of my advices to the system.

    Since English is not my first language, if u are reading this and find some wordings are a bit strange, it is not my intention.

     

    Narrowest Formation

    41212 narrow diamond is actually one of the narrowest formation in Football Manager. If we look at some similar system like 4312 narrow or 4132 narrow, which still got 3 players in one horiozntal tier ( 3 player in CM tier), the middle CM will push the left and right CM a bit toward the flank to support the flank play. and also in defence those the protection down the flank is a bit better.

     

    Choice of Side Midfieders

    However 41212 narrow diamond do not have 3 players in same horizontal tier, which makes CAR and MEZ the almost only suitable role for 41212 system, because both CAR and MEZ are designed by SI to stay wider and support the wingback.  If u try to use any other roels other than CAR or MEZ in CM position in 41212 narrow diamond, sometimes u will see absurdly low rating for your wingbacks (6.3 6.2) even if u won the game, unless u have exceptional wingbacks who can detroy the flank by his own, for exceptional I mean Alphso Davies, Achraf Hakimi level.

    Also the side midfielders will need to have determination, decision, stamina, workrate, aggresion, bravery and tackling to help the wingback defend the flanks. Find the right players are important for the system.

    Choice of Wingbacks

    Football manager games are like real life football, one tactic always need someone to provide width and to be the option on the flank, for 41212 narrow diamond, the only player who can provide width to the system is the wingback, therefore for the system to be successful, that makes the option limited to WB and CWB, sometimes FBA can work but definately not FBS and NFB. FBS and FBD and NFB does not go up the pitch high enough in transition.

    Despite from the role of WB, the player selection is important. U need a player who is good at almost everything from attack to defend, I will not list everything here but I think u can get my point. One important thing to note is that u need a player with decent jumping reach as well, otherwise u will concede a lot of back post header(sdo not use player like Tariq Lamptey, he might be good in 5 at the back in in 41212 he will be the vulnerability).

     

    Afraid of Quick Counters

    Since 41212 narrow diamond really requires WB to get up the pitch, and despite from the CB who can drift wide and protect the space, there will be no one there, therefore the space left by WB going forward will be exploited by some winger system like 4231 433 and maybe 442. If the tactic is not set up reasonable, the tactic lose the ball in transition but wingback already going forward, then opposition winger is getting into space to receive the long ball, it is a concede without looking further to the animation.

     

    Playing style 

    There are basically 2 playing styles for 41212 narrow diamond.

    • The whole team get up the pitch and keep high pressure to the enemy, control the ball in middle and WB continuously provide width and drop crosses 
    • Sit in a mid block, launch long balls or quick balls to double strikers to attack

    Personaly speaking I prefer the first option, if I would like to play the mid block I can set up a different system that can protect the space much better. But it doesn't neccessary mean from game to game u do not need to do it if u are not managing the greatest club in the world. Against sides like Real Madrid with VInicius, it is important to change WBA to WBS or even WBD to prevent Vinicius get into space(if u do not plan to change formation), and hope they do not score.

     

    Conclusion

    I will post my tactic below as the starting point if u want to play 41212 narrow diamond, it is not plug and play though, some in match changes are needed. Also I will post my player selection, Wijndal and Singo as WB, and Rosario and Klassen as side midfielders to see the player selection criteria.

    My Tactic

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    Do you use any player instructions?

     

    I have a 4-1-2-1-2 myself which is getting good results, I'll post it in this thread later today or tomorrow!

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    Simple crafting of a 4-3-3 DM

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted

    9 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

    This time, lets have a look at a 4-3-3 DM without the Wingbacks

    This is sort of from my own save, the Youth Academy Challenge, basically we were left without wingback options and had some great options in centre midfield 

    Starting from the back, two straight forward Central Defenders on Defend, there's no problem with it but I don't think there's a great need to use BPDs when they have the DM as an "outlet" 

    Two Fullbacks, one Support, one Attack 

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    Now, my great midfield options include a Mezzala, a fantastic role in a 4-3-3. Looking at his Personal Instructions, its a role you're telling to get forward, look to get on the end of and create attacks in the final third

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    I spoke earlier on about if one of the 8's burst forward, it can create gaps and disjoin in your midfield 3, I'm really not a fan of when that happens so I like to use a DM on a higher mentality to "plug the gap"

    As we're now using Fullbacks instead of Wingbacks, I feel a lot safer doing this as Full backs will not be surging forward and looking to carry the ball, they won't be so wide. Full Backs may tuck in, hold up the ball and be more likely to look for players infield, they help to keep the team as a tighter unit. The Defensive Midfielder on Support will now be a bit more forward thinking with his pass choice so attacks can be built from deep a little more effectively 

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    The Mezzala will be looking to make runs into the outer inside channel, I don't particularly want my left sided wide attacker looking to come infield, I want him providing some width on the left side and keeping the opposition full back over there occuppied 

    On the right hand side, my creator/scorer role so an Inside Forward on Support will provide just that. We do lack width on the right hand side at times, but the FB and IF do a pretty good job with that between them  

    Then upfront, down to my personnel and because there's a lot going around him, a Poacher here will do the job to do little else but sniff out the chances and finish them off. I don't need him dropping deep, roaming, creating or anything else but score 

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    With fullbacks, you can keep the ball better, they're not bombing forward, dribbling wide and crossing all the time, the FB's PIs are so simple, they're great for possession based tactics 

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    Because we've cut the offensive threat from our Wingbacks, we ask one one the centre mids to break forward. He supports the Poacher from the left, the IF supports the Poacher from his right, we still have plenty of other roles to offer supply and score goals. It's breathtaking when you're on the attack and all of a sudden your FullBack on Attack pops up into space on the edge of the area and rifles one in :lol:  

    Very straight forward and logical, again, nothing ground breaking here but for people that are new to game and are struggling, sometimes stripping back to the basics can help figure things out 

    Which are the Team Instructions that you use for this one?

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