[English Premier Division Data discussion]

On 06/09/2023 at 18:53, tv_capper said:

Newcastle

Chris Walker needs creating as a U21 physio... he travelled with the U21 team on the pre-season tour of Hong Kong

https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-walker-330413203/

Done, thanks, @tv_capper

[Burnley - promotion clause]

1 hour ago, Grimbles said:

I don’t think the clause would  be 82% for every single player though. Also for example Ashley Barnes is on 27k a week, no way he’s on 82% more should we be promoted. Defo a bug, allthough there absolutley will be some form of % promotion rise. 

If you wish to change it to suit what you think it should be, then you are perfectly entitled to do that, @Grimbles.  This percentage only takes the players back to what they were on before relegation, unless they have signed a new deal in the meantime.  Across the board, fans of teams that are promoted always under-estimate the wage increases involved in promotion to the Premier League.  Many years of comparing estimates to actual financial results, when they are eventually made public, underline this, time and again.

[Burnley - promotion clause]

41 minutes ago, Zachary Whyte said:

Thanks for raising, we'll place under review.

It is not a bug.  Burnley players underwent a 45% wage reduction on relegation.  To get them back to a similar wage should the club get promoted back to the Prem would take an 82% increase.

[English Premier Division Data discussion]

On 03/03/2023 at 10:00, tansey said:

These date of births are still appearing incorrect in the latest database, not sure if I missed the cut off for the last update.

Hi @tansey - these have all been input in the database, but may not have been put forward for approval before the cut-off for Content Update 2.  They should be in the CU3 update, though.  Apologies - and thanks for sending the information.

[English Premier Division Data discussion]

On 03/03/2023 at 21:07, BluebirdsCCFC said:

I can't see Raphael Varane's international retirement in-game, but might be that a decision made by the Research Team, i.e. 'future' international retirements don't get added?

Thanks @BluebirdsCCFC - apologies, I had missed this; it has now been added to the database.

[KACPER K (possible loan status missing)]

On 06/03/2023 at 09:07, b13v3r said:

Kacper Kozłowski has his loan box not ticked for his time at Union last season.

Thanks @b13v3r - I have amended in the database.

[Mitchell van der Gaag]

Thanks - this has been changed in the database.

[Player Partnerships Broken]

Thanks @CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon - that screenshot is from the editor.  The player partnerships have been entered correctly, and seem to be showing up fine, in-game.  We will investigate why the partnerships are appearing as you have shown, in the editor.

[English Premier Division Data discussion]

8 minutes ago, metal_guitarist said:

Kaita Hasegawa (2000063018) has left Everton and joined Man Utd as a first team performance analyst at some point this month. 

Thanks @metal_guitarist!

[English Premier Division Data discussion]

18 hours ago, jere_d said:

Saliba isn’t indicated to turn home grown in either the player overview information eligibility 

or 

squad homegrown status

 

This is obviously something that needs rectifying

Thanks @jere_d - I will look into why this is.  FYI @Dan Ormsby

[Saliba should be home grown at arsenal]

Thanks @jere_d - this has been raised and replied to, elsewhere:

[Rodrigo Moreno (Leeds United) still listed as "relation" to Thiago Alcantara (Liverpool), Rafinha (Al-Arabi)]

Thanks, @BanOly - I will amend in the database.

[club badge not showing on kits]

21 hours ago, mfp40 said:

Just came back to say this still happens.

Thanks very much, @mfp40 - I am investigating this issue.

[Gavin Bazunu]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, @LHurlz.  Apologies - the game is making the decision to do this on the basis that Bazunu, Caballero, and McCarthy have very similar overall ability ratings, and since Bazunu qualifies for the U21 squad, he becomes the fall guy.  It is something that will be sorted in a future data update.

[Is Garnacho going to get upgraded for the full release?]

34 minutes ago, JIMBOFMCD said:

Appreciate the feedback and its not a dig at Nick as its a lot of responibilty for one researcher which is why open discussion should be encouraged for users to share input. As stated downgrade of these 2 is probably warranted, Garnacho is not an issue for me as he's only broken into 1st team so it is too early to asses at this level. However there was few posts on the data issues section in regards to a case for the likes of Dalot (performance/match ratings have much better in last 6 month not only for Utd also Portugal) to warrant some changes. He has the same CA rating as FM22. Cases for Martinez in terms of his tackling ability, Jumping/heading (vs real world stats for ariel clearances), Mentals seem fine apart from determination (12 seem very low, drive and passion to the cause seem evident in the games so far to suggest its part of his personality). hopefully a few more months and it can strengthen the case for the winter update.

compairing a few CB you can from fbref.com he has attempted more tackles vs. dribble past attempts with a high success %. Take Saliba or Gomez on similar % and they have tackling of 15, Koulibaly has 17

As for heading or more so the jumping side comparing his closest Koulibaly has 16 & 15 for jumping and heading and Saliba is 16 & 16

Just some food for thought in the interest of discussion. But its only my opinion

 

Thanks guys.

 

 

 

Thanks @JIMBOFMCD - I absolutely agree that this kind of discussion can only be helpful, especially when it is supported by evidence, such as you have provided, re Martinez.

[English Premier Division Data discussion]

15 hours ago, roussos said:

Crystal Palace's Mateta needs fixing on player's history. Looks like a double transfer.

Thanks @roussos - I have amended in the database.

[Is Garnacho going to get upgraded for the full release?]

12 hours ago, JIMBOFMCD said:

I'm not missing the point only stating observations as to why players are downgraded easier than players getting any sort of an upgrade. You can read my comment again i'm not making a case for Maguire or Sancho having a decrease, but that they have been decreased in the period since the beta release (which would have included the summer reassessment) and the full release so the downgrades appear to have only happened within the last few weeks.   

thanks for your input @JIMBOFMCD.

In the development process, the closer we get to data deadlock, the less manoeuvrability there is in terms of what data we amend.  It depends on factors such as whether it is something that has brought to our attention, how important it is, whether it could have any undesired knock-on effects, and whether it can be done.  We have processed 12m data changes since the winter update.  The data is constantly changing, reflecting changes in the world of football.  In the last few weeks we cannot possibly process everything that everybody wants to be done, or is asking to be done. 

None of our decision making is based on bias towards either increasing or decreasing attribute ratings.   @NickOGS20 is on top of the research, and is always ready to talk about any aspect of the data.  The last Maguire/Sancho changes that you quote were made three weeks ago.  We had to lock the data for the Early Access Beta some time before it was released, and immediately we were already working on changes to be made for the Full Release version of FM2023 (but again, the scope for the possible amount of changes was still more limited).

I think that Nick has explained Garnacho's ratings.  I am sorry that you find that those ratings are not as up to date as you would wish them to be, but please feel free to use the editor to adjust his profile to your satisfaction.

 

[Tottenham]

49 minutes ago, LBall94_ said:

No problem at all mate, happy to help,

After being on Ryan Mason's first team coaching staff at the end of 2020/21 he just moved back down to the Academy set-up with Chris Powell for 2021/22, I just don't think it was formally announced & i have a friend who works for Tottenham's academy and he was speaking about working with Gibbs the other day, here's two bits of evidence:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nigel-gibbs/profil/trainer/1721

and

This is mid season last season when Dilan Markanday won PL2 player of the month, He's second to last on the far right

 

Also forgot the mention - Alex Vinall & Josh Rice for the Academy

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-vinall-b7ab02104/?originalSubdomain=uk

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-rice-phd-773910b3/?originalSubdomain=uk

Thanks again, @LBall94_ - that is excellent!  I have added the missing people to the database.

[Fulham - Missing 3rd Kit]

Thanks very much @McClane29 - I have now added this to the database; apologies for missing it.

[Everton have content from previous years, inaccurate player ratings, and nonsense board objectives]

Thanks for your input, @mercut1o, @_mark_efc_, and @evertonmarc.

The Everton data on which you are commenting is not the data with which the game was released, on Monday: 

- Board objectives; these were amended before datalock, so that more reasonable targets are identified.

- Bernard/Digne partnership; apologies that this one got through - I have now deleted it from the database.

- The profiles of the midfield players have been amended so that there is a more realistic balance.

- Coady and Tarkowski have been amended to reflect their standing, as opposed to that of Holgate and Keane.

- Onana's level of English has been amended to "Fluent".

I am sorry that you found the data in the Early Access beta to be disappointing.  Please do check how the team is in the release version of FM2023.  Your feedback is always appreciated.

[Tottenham]

Thanks very much, @LBall94_ - that's all very helpful.  Gabbianini was another one that I had marked as "Not for Extraction", but unfortunately I did not untick that flag.

I cannot find any information regarding Gibbs's return to Spurs.  When did he rejoin, and what is his role, please?

Chris Perkins is set as Academy Scout, and as such, unfortunately, does not appear in FM2023.

[Mitchell Van Der Gaag]

On 07/11/2022 at 21:47, Nick OGS20 said:

Good spot, thank you - will get this changed for the next update.

Thanks @Nick OGS20 and @lewisguy - I have amended in the database.

[Crysencio Summerville]

Thanks @Toots1206 - the date of birth has been amended.

Thanks, too, @crarfc - to be fair, it is only in the last few weeks that Summerville has started any league matches for Leeds.  His excellent rise has been meteoric, and his profile will undergo a thorough review for the next data update.

[Everton Kits]

Thanks @Sir David Moyes.  I expect the reason for the behaviour that you describe is that there is a fair amount of blue in the approximated facsimile of the away kit.  I will remove that in the database.

[Lisandro Martinez ManUnited should have higher stats]

On 05/11/2022 at 18:05, JIMBOFMCD said:

This is mentioned over and over in these cases and no confirmation yet if any change being made before database cut off. Stats are a joke he also has the same pace as Maguire who has the turning speed of a cruise liner.

Thanks for your input, @JIMBOFMCDand @schwemm - Nick (researcher) has replied elsewhere in data issues threads: