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Anyone else finding Man Utd completly overpowerd, I beat liverpool 50% if the time but Man U continuously thrash me what gives?
Also getting a bit annoyed with VAR never had a 'potential' offside overturned.
Very difficult to get good offers for players too even the ones you don't want to sell.
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Whatever happened to making a board request as part of contract negotiations I can't see this feature any more?
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Here is a wonder goalI scored with Dembele yes I know the defending was awful but at least let me enjoy something.
Fair to say the match engine is growing on me, credit to the team at SI who listened to the fans and made strikers score more, matches more open and exciting.
If defenders can be made just that little more intelligent I think they have nailed it.
Plus I like the fake pass drag back with the latter goal
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Nice team goal I thought I would share good link up play and 1-2.
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On 13/11/2020 at 11:20, Jack Joyce said:
If you're seeing games where you think the AI is being unrealistically defensive then please start a bug thread on it and we can have a look.
@FMLegend1983 - Seen a few posts about gegenpress tactics, we did increase the stamina drain high intensity play has on players this year, and our analysis suggested that although the tactic is strong, it's not overpowered (and it's weaker than last year). However that does mean it's better than an unbalanced tactic, and "Yet despite this they had a 6 game period where they got absolutely hammered 4/5 goals being conceded every game" suggests that there may be something going on tactically that could be corrected. The tactics forums are great to get some advice on what might be going wrong.
I get what you are saying and I do enjoy the game I have after all sank 50 hours in it all so far, what stands out for me is just that the dramatic and rapid transformation of my team was just so unrealistic it made the whole thing most unpalatable.
I expected a difficult first season being Leeds United in the EPL, I expected the odd losing streak, even a few thrashings. The first losing streak came about because I was a bit too harsh with the players as we lost key games we should have won against thew weaker so called lesser teams. That said as an experienced player I noticed this and I managed to narrowly beat the sack I steadied the ship which during its voyage went from being in the top 8 the first 10 games to being as low as 17th (nearly getting me sacked) to then being comfortably between 10th and 12th thereafter.
Then from nowhere despite myself learning from previous mistakes with the morale, strengthening the squad but not selling/buying too much, not using a tactic that is too attacking nor having too much space on the pitch, I just went on the most terrible losing streak from a quality perspective that I've ever seen in any addition.
I went from being a solid EPL team that got some notable victory’s and draws against the top 4 teams to being a team that gets destroyed by the relegation fodder who previously I would squash. My defending was that of a pub team balls bouncing off players shins, opposition left completely on their own, good teams beat me 5-0/5-1, the weak teams beating me 4-0 the cherry on the cake Manchester United beating me 7-1!. During this period I made sure I was not harsh on the players that I said sensible things in the media and respected their concerns and nurtured them to improve. I tried giving more micro management in terms of who I marked/pressed, paying more detail to opposition scout reports/training, my assistant manager, the game stats and changing defender/midfielder role mentality, defensive lines, close marking, offside trap, I didn't do this all in the course of one game it was incremental but nothing made an improvement at all to such calamitous defending I was on a road to nowhere I was powerless.
Where I take umbrage is the very second I played a match with the out of the box Gagenpress my defenders who played like Titus Bramble and Frank Sinclair played Like Franco Baresi and Matheus Sammer! They went from the worst defence in the league to title challenging form winning 10 game in a row with around 9 clean sheets. It just felt too dramatic and hard to accept that how no matter how much I studied the game, tinkered I could not improve the most awful defending ever, but changing to 1 specific tactic magically could. To further my experiment I reloaded the game at the point of that 6th defeat of getting hammered tried a few different formations, tried the out of the box possession tactic to see if my fortunes improved as they did with the Gagenpress and nothing I did helped this awful defending and the poorest of form just continued.
To surmise it was only the Gagenpress that could act like a magic wand and made defenders that on form would struggle to get in my Sunday league become a brick wall and title challengers.
I'll never get over that 7-1 defeat to my rivals leaves me feeling so dirty lol, and to lighten the mood this leads me onto another question..... Should Manchester United be so overpowered in this year’s version given that current state of play shouldn't art should be imitating life?
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Hey everyone
I will probably cop some hate for this but that's okay because I post this because I care and I want the game to be the best it can be for all of us.
I think it's better than last years and I enjoy playing it, press conferences, match engine, graphical changes, scouting all big improvements.
Where I feel the game is lacking right now is a lack of responsiveness to tactical changes the inabilty for the game to accept /allow the full range of tactics to work effectively in cohesion with the me. In addition it feels there is a lack of responsiveness to appropriate micromanagement (it makes very little difference).
I've just managed through a difficult season where I won lots of games to begin with then went on a losing streak narrowly beat the sack got a few more wins and then went on another losing streak.
During the second losing streak it made no sense at all as I had strengthened the team (not introduced too many new signings either), had 2 tactics now rather one (good familarity, not overly agressive/attacking the roles suited my players, nothing crazy that wouldn't make sense) and had experimented in the games I lost to make a few minor incremental tweaks. here and there. I micromanaged training I was soft/cautious with the players and the media so they did not get downbeat when losing or over confident when winning. Yet despite this they had a 6 game period where they got absolutely hammered 4/5 goals being conceded every game and no level of micromanagement, rotations trying different defensive lines, tweakss made a blind bit of difference it was like watching amateurs play in the EPL.
I then read a post online saying that default Gegenpress is once again an exploit tactic with this years version and what do you know?
A complete nonsensical return to form from my team who instantly went from getting mullered every match to within an instant being a hybrid of George Graham's Arsenal and the 90's dominant Ajax side! Clean sheets galore and winning every game just like that.
Sorry folks but this a massive immersion killer for me, to see my tweaks to other tactics my pep talks my reading scout reports and setting marking/pressing instructions on specific players do nothing to improve my results yet a plug and play tactic within an instant changes the team with zero effort on my part. I go from shipping 4/5 goals a game to clean sheets every game and winning every match over a 10 game period despite making no specific training changes no specific marking of key players during the game, zero micromanagement, literally rewarded just to plug and play and be lazy rather than study the game and use all stats data that are available to me.
It's really disengaging as a player, I think the ME is much better this year but the tactical side reminds me of last year where you were limited to what tactics you could use to make a good go of it as the ME just didn't respond well unless you favoured the popular exploit tactics where you could literally play a formation and players that make zero sense and win everything!.
Such shame to see that this is still an issue when everything else you've implemented feels really good!
For those that are doubting me as an experiment I tried the same approach ie no micro management with other tactics at the same stage I introduced the default Gagen and I was still shipping goals in left right and center this is including using tactics of my own and default possesion tactics etc using the same defensive setup as Gagen having a very good defence 2 holding midfielders the rght blend pf support,defend,attack duties. It was only when I picked default Gegenpress that I was simply unstoppable despite morale being so messed up as I had been getting stuffed 6 games in a row. My team become a superpower all of a sudden despite me not doing anything outside of pressing continue and play match!
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Having took Leeds to the Prem and won various cups I started to get bored with the game (5/6 seasons in) following the various updates that made the match experience gradually worse. Quite disheartening and found that you could not make your own tactic work effectivley to your instructions and the only effective tactics that did work were exploit tactics.
After taking many months worth of rest from the game due to lack of enjoyment as a further experiment, I bought the editor put Mbappe and the best ca ability for every position in the world in my team, maxed out familiarity and morale removed any unhappiness and guess what? Did not make a blind bit of difference, playing attacking styles/counter attack many variations, should be blitizing teams +4 goals most games what do I get dull 1 goal 2 goal games, irrespective of whatever tactics I choose. When you can edit familiarity morale ect on sheer player ability alone this simply should not be. the results and the actions on the pitch do not reflect anything. I wanted to like this years so much and I absolutley hate it.
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17 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:
We understand that these forums are an extremely passionate part of the FM community but do remember they are just one part of that community. We appreciate that people take the time to raise their opinions here and often it can be incredibly useful and insightful.
Since the release of 20.4 we've seen some calls to fix the match engine and that it's ‘broken’. While we respect everyone's opinions, this is something we simply don't agree with. We’re already our own harshest critics and recognise aspects (including those raised within the community) we want to improve long term, but we still believe it's the most realistic simulation of football there is.
That's not to say the match engine can't be made even better and your posts have a huge impact on the direction we’re heading in. We're constantly working on improving and have a roadmap that carries on for many years on how we can go about doing this. The fact the scale of our ambitions for the future requires such a considerable timescale indicates the difficulty and scope of the work ahead.
To change and evolve such detailed and comprehensive code takes time across multiple disciplines. Planning, reviewing, implementing and testing. As part of this we've always found our community extremely important in the process of constant improvement. Alongside our dedicated match team, which includes qualified coaches and ex-professional footballers, you help provide the knowledge and feedback that is constantly reviewed by the development team and helps shape everything you see in game.
We understand from some of the feedback seen in this thread that the news of no further match engine changes for FM20 will disappoint some here. But looking at sentiment overall and the number of people playing the game, the majority of our players are playing and enjoying FM more than ever before.
£40 for a game that has badly underdelivered and now confirmed no more light at the end of the tunnel, sigh, time to move on and shelve this series for quite some time, my faith and trust is broken.
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12 hours ago, Old Joe Clarke said:
Who? now are you questioning freedom of ideas and reply?
He meant Tyburn
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2 hours ago, Gegenklaus said:
Maybe thats the because the last few additions of FM has been a let down to a lot of players. Promising stuff it didnt deliver on. That has consequences. I don't find these forums so bad. Yes, we have lost some great minds, Herne to name one, but forums not being the forums it used to be s just an example of time and change. The discussion of the game has been spread out to the other platforms.
It's been talked about that their used to be a lot of great threads in the tactics forum. People replicating real life tactics and so on. Those post has been dwindling and I think it's mainly because of the quality of the games being released.
On the other hand I see more people here being constructive and very civil when it comes to the feedback. Way more than other gamer. those people saying you aren't entitled to anything after you bought the game looks at it all wrong. People venting at least puts up a sigb saying "YO, SI, the game has major problems", instead of those few users that keeps on saying "after several tactical tweaking I experience a great match engine", "it must be your tactic, mate" or "try harder".
And I know the quality of a game is to some extend a subjective oppinion.Don't forget Dagenham Dave
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5 minutes ago, Elfking said:
I don't think anyone has been saying the game is too hard now, in fact I think people are finding the opposite!
5 seasons in with Leeds still not won the Epl then again I don't use any exploits not too easy at all.
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40 minutes ago, janrzm said:
One mans meat is another's poison......While you celebrate what you see as central play, I can only despair at the "Zombie" defending. It's like a scene from The Walking Dead.
That's a fair comment if it was my defending I would be livid but it's the AI's and believe it or not this type of dribbling happens rarely for me. We all know FM lacks in the animation stakes so in terms of taking people on this probably is the representation of that very thing and output via the match engine. I'd take this happening occasionally over complete shut out where AI defenders are op and the games are dull and boring. Main thing annoying me right now is lack of consitency from tactics, players and too many 1-1 all draws. Hardest FM yet for me.
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7 minutes ago, Glen_Runciter said:
a counter-argument, please, instead of a "u stupid lol xd"
fact #1: dribbles are overpowered
fact #2: in your video, there was nothing reminding anyone to "central play"
I'm not saying anyone is stupid mate and I completley respect your opinion all I was trying to illustrate is prior to this patch I had very little success playing through the middle and my am was lucky to score a goal never mind a hatrick. I don't think these videos really do it justice as prior to the goals there is even further build up play through the middle.
Don't get me wrong the ME needs more work but seeing how bad it was previously and how long it has taken to get where it is now I sadly don't think it will get much better.
For the record I am not winning every game and have had some frustrated losses I can't make sense of but in comparison to the awful me's we've had building up to this I am just greatful for small mercies!
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1 minute ago, Glen_Runciter said:The problem is this is not "central play", this is just the same overpowered dribbling we see on the sidelines being applied to central players since the new update.
Honestly you guys will never be happy lol
It was dull boring and negative me before now it's fun entertaining not perfect me you guys still complain I don't think Sigames will ever make you happy!
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Loving the new ME, granted these goals are nothing fancy but the chemistry, link up play and the translation of my tactics is functioning so much better.
I can finally enjoy the game again!
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10 minutes ago, Mons said:
From the link you replied to:
This is perfect thank you.
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1 minute ago, JordanMillward_1 said:
Also, guys, if you run into bugs, crashes, etc, please post them over in the bugs forum rather than here, as they'll get lost and the QA staff likely won't see them amongst all the other posts here. If you could also include the version number (20.0.2.4) in the title, it'll let the staff know that it is something from the most recent patch.
https://community.sigames.com/forum/726-football-manager-2020-bugs-forum/
Cheers!
Searched the forum but can't see it anywhere, how do I upload goals/highlights as I have produced some using fm but because they are 11k per file they are more than the 9k attachment allowance. Is the only way to do this throwing them up on Youtube?
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Finally a much better entertaining responsive match engine!
Games now feel fun to play with a good variety of goals and different tactics getting acted out on the pitch!
Thank you best ME since the pre release ME.
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2 hours ago, sidslayer said:
It’s your tactics
Are you the new Dagenham Dave?
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8 minutes ago, bleventozturk said:I have to say that even with the completely unrealistic amount of successful long balls over the defense and the missed 1on1's, the 20.2.3 is at least fun to play, with a great variety of play and goals possible, whereas the beta version is a step towards the awful FM 19. Chances created and goals are the most important part of a fun ME. If you really want to improve something though, take care of the defenders' inability to clear the ball. Like the poster above says, a highlight only ends when the attacking team's shot after shot finally goes out or caught by the keeper. That's the main reason as far as I can see that most matches end with 40+ shots.
I thought FM19's match engine was great far better than this years horror show!
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I respect Neil coming on here but honestly if the team move onto FM21 whilst leaving the game in the state that it is there is no way I will buy FM21 even if it is on sale.
This is more than just a few random opinions, worst FM ever released and at £39.99 daylight robbery.
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1 hour ago, Toshef said:
I am working man I wan to play for few hours and enjoy my time. I cant spent 1 hour to prepare for each FM game like a real life football manager. I know some of the users are a bit on the younger side and are still not working so maybe they can spent hours tweaking tactics for each opponent so they can get someting out of the ME but I cant do that its not fun
Just up the conversion rate to be honest as long as most of us are winning we wont be complaining that much but right now getting 30 shots on a goal with 3 on target and losing is soo frustrating...If I save scum a home game against the bottom team I will win 5 times and I expect 5 draws or losses while I am dominating and I am like world class side compared to them. I mean I cant get results against the worst teams if they score first go on the defensive and with my players missing their chances its game over also players with 150-160 CA and watching them on key shooting into throw ins or in the stands from great positions? I mean I am having misses of the season every single game . I
It's a strange one this year, I bought the game on pre-release my team and strikers were doing really good certainly overachieving but nothing too unrealisitic. Strikers were scoring loads and for about 2 and a half weeks I was having lots of fun. It's almost as if when it came to release rather than just fix all these cosmetic bugs that people raised SI games had a change of heart about the match engine and rather than appeal to your casual/yet exerienced gamer they wanted to appease the players who spend an hour on tactics who probably said the game was too easy.
Ever since then I feel there is no turning back each update brings more and more dissapointment with the biggest immersion killer that strikers with the most amazing attributes and supply line are struggling to hit the prolific top figures across the board. The ultra defensiveness of the inferior teams maybe is art imitating life but this is a computer game and if every 2 out of 5 games is scrappy boring dull football then I think that the focus of the game needs to be revised.
I tried giving this new Beta a try and despite great morale, very good players and lots of tactical familiarity and experience the AI is smashing in long range shots and my players aren't responding to changes that I make or instructions I put in place. I think once the full patch is released I will have to start a new game because I am really beginning to ask the question are these patches fully save game compatible or is the ME really just that bad and geared for hardcores or exploit tactics?
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Anyone else conceding lots long range shots in BETA?
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19 hours ago, He can't believe he's missed it said:
You do understand that people being told to try and adapt their approach to mitigate issues in a game that they've paid for while being told to sit and wait for it to be fixed with no obvious timescale is the reason for most of the anger?
Why have I been limited on the amount upvotes I can do when I have done less than 5 upvotes today?
A bit fishy when it came about from me agreeing with the above post, for the record I am so underwhelmed with this years FM and have never complained about any other version and I have owned them all!
I got 3 weeks worth of enjoyment in beta and then the game changed badly for the worse and despite the fact I am over achieving and succesful the football you see from the ME is appalling.
I have tried to be patient but feel incensed that the only game I ever pre-order at full price every year, I have not been able to play for months as each update is a bad let down!
If I ever buy this game again it will be in the steam sale like anything else or when it has dropped to it's lowest price I don't like to vent like this but my patience has worn and by stopping me from voting up the comments I agree with, what type of policy is that?
Plus I agree with the other poster, whilst a majority base probably is laptop users I have a high end gaming PC as many other users probably do. Why can't we have a mode that truly pushes the hardware to it's limitations and a mode as is for basic spec users, it seems to me it's profit over progression, where's the ambition?
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Posted · Edited by FMLegend1983
I've been buying Champ Manager and all of the Football Managers from day dot and the last 2 editions namely FM22 and 23 have been dull, uninspiring, unresponsive and lacking innovation.
I'm sorry to say this but I just can't see £40 worth of game there, so I will vote with my wallet, not that it will make a difference.
I will take at least 2 years out from buying the game to see if anything has improved by then.