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  1. Longhorn

    [U.S.A.] (Official) League Specific Issues

    I do not see any evidence that the MLS teams are recruiting from their academies. Database updates of course pick up some of the roster changes, but the game AI does not seem to have the MLS teams taking advantage of players in their academies, but foreign teams will poach from the academies. In real life MLS teams are signing even 15 year old players (e.g. San Jose just did this), partly to protect them from poaching, but also because there is some exciting young talent coming through the academies. IN addition MLS provides some substantial financial incentives to the teams to utilize their homegrown talent. To verify my observation I have used the ingame editor to give selected players easily recognizable names (e.g. Playme Please) and have given them stats that would allow them to compete for first team minutes. Even after a few seasons the MLS teams do not sign these players on. I consider this a significant problem.
  2. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Enigmatic, you continue to be studiously obstreperous, missing the point and making allegations about others. What is your agenda? Was it not you that said "Though FWIW it's pretty obvious that outstanding genetic specimens growing up in Germany are likely to choose football as their main sport and play it intensively from the age of four up to winning a professional contract, and those growing up in the United States and Jamaica are relatively unlikely to do so"? To put it euphemistically you continue to argue based on "politically incorrect" and uninformed opinions, apparently merely for the sake of arguing. 0
  3. Sam, I have a question that is slightly of topic but which your expertise might allow you to answer. In the vanilla game do MLS teams ever hire from their academies? I know that database updates reflect rosters which will include academy products, but in my game experience talented kids are poached by other countries and MLS teams only seem to repopulate local players through the draft or from lower leagues.
  4. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Mexico, with a population of about 130 million, has a PA rating of 120, while Netherlands, with a population of 18 million, has a rating of 122. The US, for that matter, has a "registered" population of 330 million, and an unregistered population that is probably at at least as big as the population of Netherlands, yet the US has a PA rating of 110 and there are far more kids playing than in Netherlands. China, with a population of 1.4 billion, has a PA rating of 60 and the sheer weight of numbers would argue that they have a lot of kids playing the game compared to many smaller countries with higher PA ratings. FM models the newgen ratings of various countries on many factors, but the distribution of natural talent certainly is not the dominating factor.
  5. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    I don't have much of a problem with the way PA is implemented when discussing it on an individual by individual basis, within one country. However, the discussion seems to generally ignore the global nature of PA, and when thought about that way it can be more difficult to defend the current implementation, and using "genetics" as a means to explain PA becomes problematic. Consider that the game generates players from Jamaica (for example) such that most will have a PA of around 59, while the game generates players from Germany with a PA of around 155 (with some percentage of variance). Uruguay has a generated PA of 90, while Mexico generates with a PA around 120. When one uses "genetics" as an explanation for the differences problems arise. People typically defend the differences many ways, or criticize them, but the differences between countries can not be related to "genetics" either in the game or in real life. I think there are and should be differences in potential for young players raised exclusively in one country versus another country, but I would not base those differences on "genetics". When thinking about the global nature of the game some people, me included, think the generated PA rating should be the same for all countries with the differences in facilities, training staffs, etc. accounting for the different rates at which players will develop. This doesn't mean that within one country all players necessarily should have the same PA, but at the least each country should have a similar distribution of PA. When thinking about the game in the global sense the generated PA ratings for the different countries is an abstraction that attempts to capture the many country specific limitations that may well limit the growth of a young play in that country, and I can almost accept the way it has been implemented, but not quite. In any case, discussing potential changes to PA in the game must, in my opinion, take into account the global nature of the game.
  6. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Another interesting test that might shed some light on player development in the game would be to compare the national teams of selected countries and then run the game for say 10 years without any human managers or involvement, and then compare the same national teams. For example, if I look at the national team for Germany in FM 18, I notice the top 10 players have a CA that matches their PA (max being 189 for the GK). I don't see the same thing for England, nor for Brazil (although Neymar has a CA of 190 and a PA of 197). Nonetheless, all these sides have pretty high CAs. While I can't say at this point what would happen in FM 18, based on my previous experience with prior versions (e.g. FM 17) I'd be willing to bet that the CAs for these teams would be noticeably lower after they became dominated by newgens. Either way it would be interesting to see how the AI handles development and how closely the results match what we see from real life players. If the results match what we see in real life then kudos to FM
  7. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    I haven't done exactly what you suggest but I have done this: I played with several managers at once, one with my main club team, one with the national team, and others with lower level leagues. Using the editor I give each team excellent facilities and staffing. Then in the academy for my main club I use the editor to give a few players a PA of 170, a few of 150, and one with a PA of 200. I do this each year with newgens. I play the kids to the max in the various teams I manage over a number of years, using loans. I can get a CA close to their max of 170 or 150, but I don't recall ever getting anybody up to anywhere close to a CA of 200. Another thing I noticed is that the player's development for the first few years (16-18) is generally proportional to their PA. For example, taking 2 kids in the same academy, one with a PA of 150 and one with a PA of 130, and giving them identical amounts of playing time, personalities, etc, the one with the higher PA will develop faster. So based on this sort of test I might conclude that the PA is not a necessary upper limit for highly talented kids, but does limit moderate to lower talent kids.
  8. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Since the game itself points out that a player's CA will not change much once the player reaches the age of 24 it would seem that there is a natural upper limit to a player's development, even if there were no PA in the game. Thus, the player's experiences up to that age would govern his ultimate CA even without a PA.
  9. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    Seb, the factors you mention governing the PA for a nation are still static. That is what doesn't make sense as far as I am concerned. By the way, I think your observations about the importance of soccer to American youth is a bit outdated.
  10. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    I agree with you on this. For grins I did a long save managing a club team in Ireland, which has a very low average PA. I used the editor to give the club excellent facilities and then focused on poaching a lot of young players. The FA rules for Ireland allow this and by developing good youth players over time the club team was able to do reasonably well in the Champions League, although never matching the "big" teams with high reputations. But, because this club team was successful, and because of the club's excellent facilities and staff, the PA of my regens got a bit better and the league's coefficient went up nicely. Similarly, if the teams in a nation pump money into better facilities, better staffing, etc., and get better international results, the average PA for that nation should rise as well. While I can affect the regen PA values somewhat for a particular club in the game, the values still seem to be heavily influenced by the static PA for the nation in which the club plays. The nation's regen PA value should be dynamic as well, as long as we still have a PA value.
  11. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    I think your comment shows you simply (or willfully?) didn't understand the point. The game sets the average PA of regens from many, many countries much lower than the average PA from a few countries, and it doesn't change, no matter what. That is much closer to lunacy than a more rational and realistic system.
  12. Longhorn

    Revaluation of the CA - PA system

    The problem with the current PA, as you have described it ("think of it as genetics"), is essentially racist. I would argue that all nations should generate players with the same "bell curve" of PA and let the nation's facilities, staff, etc. determine how well a player develops. If I had the patience I would start all of my saves by setting the youth regen value for all nations to be identical. Now you could persuade me that each nation has a third value that influences players developed in that country, which might be described as "soccer culture". For example here in the US I see a lot of money being put into youth facilities, academies, etc. and nobody could argue that the intellectual and athletic potential of American youth is somehow lower than in other countries, yet I see a lot of our young players lacking the technical and tactical sophistication that I have seen in the youth of some other countries. Watching young American baseball players I notice that by their early teens they automatically do the right tactical thing in baseball games because they have been nurtured in a culture that is now sophisticated in baseball. Based on my own experiences as a youth coach I have explained this difference as a soccer culture that is not mature enough to nurture young players as well as in other countries. Now if I take that same young player and send him abroad to develop in the youth system of another country his PA should not be limited by his nation of birth. In fact, some American players are born and raised in other countries so their "soccer culture" should reflect that country, even if they are American citizens. As it is, a nation like the US starts with a limiting PA of about 110 for its young players which doesn't change no matter how many years a save runs, so the US national team and players will simply never be competitive with countries like Germany or Brazil or Argentina. This is not reality.
  13. Have you tried the search screen with attributes of nationality and second nationality?
  14. If a staff member for a national team has been given an ongoing scouting assignment there is no way to cancel or change it. There seems to be no way to hire data analysts for the national team. There seems to be no way to hire sports scientists for the national team.
  15. Given the importance FM is attaching to sports scientists and data analysts I find it surprising that my national team has neither on the staff. When I go to the staff search tab there doesn't seem to be any possibility to search for either of these specialties. Surely this is an oversight by the developers?
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