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  1. Have you implemented any training schedules to further boost the growth of your players? I am currently down a rabbit hole looking into and researching whats the best way to boost training for attribute growth. I plan to do a save similar to yours albeit starting with my hometown team from Czech Republic, but with a focus on signing players 23 or younger and developing them as we progress up the pyramid, and utilising your methodology to identify players based on role suitability.

  2. 1 hour ago, herne79 said:

    It's mainly from a "realism" perspective.  I used to do a lot of "optimal" player development but honestly I find that quite boring these days.  So now I look at it as I have youth teams therefore I use them as such - under 18s will be in my U18 squad unless there is a real stand out Donnarumma / Mbappe type (which is rare).  It may not be optimal but it still produces results, as in the example above.

    By the time they reach 18 I've usually got a good feel for who the brightest prospects are therefore who I can move to the senior squad, U23s, loan out, sell or let contracts lapse.

    Unironically, this is the best way. From the ages between 15-18 the primary driver of attribute growth is training. In fact if you move your promising players to the first team and do not play them consistently, then in fact you are depriving on average about 40 training days per season. 

    Between the ages of 18-23 - Training plus matches are required to further drive attribute growth, so players who aren't quite breaking through at that age, it is worth sending them out on loan for regular game time.

    After the age of 23  - attribute growth is minimal and really you can maintain attributes with training and minimal game time.

    Source: How training and match experience affect player growth - Evidence Based Football Manager

  3. On 21/07/2022 at 11:17, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

    In case anyone has yet to come across the Evidence Based Football Manager youtube channel, it's superb..

     


    Very relevant to this thread and anybody playing youth-focused saves.

    I have literally binged his videos. They are excellent, so densely packed full of knowledge. I hope he does one about individual training vs role training, as well as a deeper dive into scouting.

  4. I'm trying to get your formula working for myself as my tactic uses slightly different roles but I am struggling with calculating the bit I've highlighted in red:

     

    ((Sum of all key attributes for role + (0.66 * (sum of all preferable attributes for role))) / total number of key/preferable attributes for role * 5) / rating if all attributes were 17 * 100

  5. @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!Excellent work. How did you find the tactic working against the likes of City and Liverpool. Those are a few games where my tactic comes a bit unstuck. I posted it in your other thread thinking it was more of a Pep 2011 recreation but having used it with the current Arsenal squad it seems to suit them quite well.

    Another excellent player I have used as a False 9 was Pedri, when I tried a Barca playthrough. Very similar to Ødegaard in that regard.

  6. 9 hours ago, Fantasista10 said:

    Those seem like pretty good numbers! Especially with assists. Do you find the attack duty leaves him isolated at all? Or is he regularly involved in attacking moves? 

    This is the concern I have with attack duties. I haven't been able to commit to them for a long time because in the defensive phase they just seem to camp beyond or around the half way line and do very little by way of closing down in midfield. This is even the case with a pressing forward on attack, as their inclination is to press opposition defenders rather than midfielders. 

    I would assume either a CFa or DLFa might give a blend of coming deep as well as being more of a goal threat perhaps even a Treq (but pressing might become an issue), but as you mentioned it's important to assess which players are going to be the main goal threats. Like with Arsenal in real life, ours are most certainly our wingers with Lacazette almost exclusively being used as a facilitator to those around him.

    Regardless, I am sure your tactic will give you great results, especially with those sets of TIs and player roles.

  7. @Xenophobic Bean I like what you've done with the IWBs. I think Dani Alves in the winter update could still do an excellent job there.

    I was looking at the highlights of the Barcelona game with Osasuna, and think that right wing role is very dependant on who plays there. If it's Adama then yes a Ws is definitely the role, but if its dembele it has to be an IWs, he cuts in so much, both his assists came from him either cutting inside, driving and providing a through ball, or cutting inside and delivering a cross with his left.

     

  8. It's very true, but I think it might just be that the current crop of players play that sort of system very well, albeit in their own way. Like I mentioned in my previous post, the tactic itself is half the battle. The PPMs really dictate what you see in the match engine. When I have tried it in the past with even the current Barcelona side, then the football is totally different. A lot more one-twos and give and gos. One thing I will say it is really fun to watch.

  9. Update 2 - Up the Arsenal

    Hi everyone. I thought I would see how my tactic fairs on the new update. Pleased to say that so far it has been excellent, playing as my team Arsenal. Only signing made was 22 yo Strike Vitinha from Braga. Profiles very similarly to Lacazette, albeit taller, younger and slightly more aggressive which should help with pressing.

    I am pleased to say that the tactic is still doing very well within the new match engine. We are dominating games and with a practically unchanged Arsenal squad, are sitting top of the league. One thing I would like to focus on is a tweak I have developed for big games away from home. In an eventual 4-1 win against City, we really struggled in the first half. We succumbed to a sloppy goal where we let Sterling run through our defence and score a tidy finish in the 1st minute. After that City had us pegged back in our area and were quite content to keep possession.

    At half time I had a quick think and thought about what I could do to improve the situation. My wingers had poor ratings, and really weren't getting involved, as evidenced by their 6.4 ratings.

    1. Perhaps a change of personnel could do the trick? On the bench I did have more direct running options like Martinelli and Pepe.

    2. Tweaking the passing length and going more direct. This was a no for me as I did not want to fundamentally change our philosophy.

    3. Pass into Space and Counter - In Transition - this was the option I eventually went for. It meant I could still give my players a chance, I did not sacrifice intricate short passing but at the same time if a player was in space then we would go direct and exploit City's high line. 

    There were a few sketchy moments where we overdid it playing out of the back, but I am pleased to say that all 4 of our goals were scored in the 2nd half, and you guessed it, they were usually on the break.

    Goal 1 - https://www.veed.io/view/94edcf20-1be9-4e47-aa52-0e5bbb6fe25b

    Goal 2 - https://www.veed.io/view/918518ee-bdc9-45fe-b97b-03d813518f22

     

  10. Rather than start an entirely new thread and rehash a lot of the good information that is contained in the OP, I thought I would post my attempt a Guardiola recreation in FM 2022.

    I have drawn heavily on the materials used by Ozil in the opening post and believe I have achieved a pretty faithful recreation so far, although I am alway open to tweaks to make it perform better within the match engine.

    TACTIC:

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    DISCLAIMER: This tactic is in my opinion a project style tactic, where squad building and training are of equal importance to the tactic itself. A great squad may play well but without the PPMs that Ozil has mentioned in the OP especially for the key positions, (DM, MCL,MCR and F9) then this tactic will not play like Guardiola's Dream Team. This is most definitely not a plug and play tactic. 

    Results: Possession and lots of it, defensively very sound. Scoring primarily from the wide players but if you have a world class False 9, they will also get on the end of chances and score plenty to. In my test with Leeds, Patrick Bamford was fantastic. Unfortunately I don't have the full game so the majority of my tests have been limited to games up to the Christmas Break, but in all of the teams (Leeds, Barcelona, Villarreal, Swansea) possession was high.

    The thing I like most was that it was so simple to do, so I hope I can just explain what my thought process was.

    Step 1 - Formation - simple 4-3-3 which was a mainstay of the side

    Step 2 - Mentality and Team Instructions - Here I decided to start with these as these are effectively what governed the general philosophy of the side. Mentality wise I went with positive, as Guardiola expected to dominate teams and effectively suffocate them with probing play. I did consider attacking, but felt this was going into Bielsa territory and so opted against it. I have not tried this tactic with any other mentality so perhaps it might be even better with an Attacking one, who knows.

    For the Team instructions, they are pretty self explanatory if you watched the Guardiola team:

    In Possession:

    • Much Shorter Passing - I want to see the short "Tiki Taka" passes
    • Play Out of Defence - I want to see my defenders try to play out from the back, and the first line of the oppositions press, or carry the ball against deeper defenses.
    • Low Crosses - I want to see cutbacks
    • Slightly Higher Tempo - I want the tempo to be high to make my opponents run around and disrupt their shape

    In Transition:

    • Take Short Kicks - again I want to play out from the back
    • Distribute to Centre Backs - same as above
    • Counter-Press - if we lose the ball I want to win it back "6 second rule" Having said this I don't want to counter every time, but rather if the opportunity is on hence why counter is not ticked and neither is regroup( I want the players with their intelligence to decide when is the best chance to do so.

    Out of Possession:

    • Higher Defensive Line  - I want to peg back my opposition in their own half and these high pressing instructions achieve this.
    • Much Higher Line of Engagement
    • Much More Often

    Step 3 Player Roles

    The key to this tactic was getting the central diamond to work, this being the DM, MCL, MCR and F9. Initially  the MEZa was an APa, but their ended up being too much ball hogging and not enough penetration. 

    In terms of wing play I wanted one attacking full back and one more reserved to mimic the Abidal and Alves relationship they had. My wingers are both told to stay wide to maintain width, but also to Roam from position allowing them to come inside when the opportunity allows. So far the most important thing for these positions is pace and a desire to run in behind. I have been experimenting with some PIs in my Swansea save and "Tries to beat offside trap" seems to be a great fit for the winger slots:

    Player Instructions:

    GK: Sweeper Keeper (Support): 
    DCR: Ball-Playing Defender (Defend): (I wanted this guy to be able to consistently bring the ball out from defence and BPDs in this iteration of FM do this on a consistent basis is great
    DCL: CD (Defend): N/A
    FBR: Full Back (Support): N/A
    DMC: Half-Back Defend (Defend): N/A
    FBL: Wing Back Left (Support): N/A
    MCL: Deep-Lying Playmaker (Support): N/A
    MCR: Mezalla (Attack): Dribble More (I envisioned this player being my Iniesta beating men, getting into the box, overlapping the winger)
    AMR: Inverted Winger (Attack): Roam From Position & Stay Wider
    ST: False Nine (Support): Roam From Position & Shoot More Often ( a common problem is that False Nines don't score enough in FM so that's the reason for the shoot more)
    AML: Inverted Winger (Attack): Roam From Position & Stay Wider

    PPMs - I would just refer to the OP, but this definitely creates the style of play. Don't underestimate these.

    Stats

    Below are some stats I am currently achieving with Swansea.

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  11. I think a football "philosophy" section would be useful, providing definitions of the different styles of football which are possible to create in FM would be useful.

    I often see some threads where a person will explain they want to play a quick, one touch, possession counter attack style of football. I'm exaggerating here but you know what I mean where sometimes different styles of football which are at odds with one another are cited as inspiration but are unlikely to all work together at the same time, in one specific tactic.

  12. 6 hours ago, Macgreg said:

    Really insightful. I wanted to know if you stuck to the 4231 gegenpress preset roles reason I asked to share your tactics file.

    For the 4-2-3-1 it is literally exactly out of the box, no changes to anything. Again having the right players is extremely important. If you don't have an attacking RB, but do have an attacking LB then it is relatively simple to flip the tactic around, as there are no PIs on the players.

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