The_jagster

The mourning isn't "forced" onto anyone. However heavy handed the police have been in some settings they won't be coming round to check you are watching the funeral on Monday or arresting you are having a laugh with your mates on the street. As people who moan about women's football or LGBT inclusive programmes get told, if you don't like it you can watch something else on YouTube and watch anti- monarchy arguments if you like. "The option of whether to cancel planned operations has been devolved to local trusts, according to Open Democracy. The National Association of Funeral Directors said that while some planned funerals will go ahead on Monday, others have been postponed. It said the decision to change dates had been led by the bereaved families involved." https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/13/hospital-appointments-and-funerals-cancelled-for-queens-funeral According to this treatments are decided by the trusts and funeral plans by the affected families and not imposed on them. Now I accept that it's not simply the fault of the NHS trust that things aren't going on as a normal Monday. However if people are moaning about not being able to do stuff at centre parcs then that does have the whiff of snowflake about it. People book holidays and find it's wet so can't do what they want all the time.

Or indeed at any point... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/13/prince-philip-tributes-duke-nation

On the second bolded bit I think it matters, because saying the royal family have historic links to the Nazis is different to making an offensive salute gesture. If two people in the crowd are pictured doing a Nazi salute there is no way of distinguishing if it's satire or Nazi support. There needs to be a forum for context before you can use context as justification. Surely most of why yelling 'nonce' in a crowd isn't as legally fraught as the recorded or printed media is the practicality of proving you said it, that is was aimed at a given person etc rather than the freedom to yell unproven accusations about people.

Out of interest, do you think German law is wrong to ban the Nazi salute, no ironic context allowed? I think there is a difference between a show or printed column where the satirical context is clear and an edgelord in a crowd where all kinds of people can't be expected to see the context, just a Nazi salute. Would you also defend the right of people to make ironically racist abuse and blackface under the justification of 'satire'? There are actually all sorts of accusations you can't make against people which is why we have libel and slander as you well know. It's presumably why you have mentioned Madeira and not any names. You could protest an unconvicted Madeiran footballer playing for your club but on a podcast or in print you wouldn't be able to say it was because they are a rapist without redress.

Cant be bothered to find a verified source but apparently all the activities will be closed but you can stay in your chalet.

Apart from the homeopathy quackery

I did wonder whether actually being the monarch would change opinion but I didn't expect it to be this stark

Football deciding to postpone matches isn't a forced change, as it was done within its own powers. Blaming the monarchy for it would be stupid, if someone wants to protest against the monarchy fine, do that with other justifications but using the postponements would be nonsense, protest against the FA.

I think Upper Class is generally considered to be about 1% of the population max and as you've put statistically insignificant. Not necessarily the richest 1% but the small subset of people who can essentially live off wealth and investments with wealth in the family.

That we've heard about being arrested, it might be that more people have protested with no further action. The one in Oxford wasn't an official ceremony but where each village/town/city had its own commemoration.

I do agree with the general point you are making but this is the same logic that means people aren't actually grieving but pretending to be sad about an old woman dying. A lot of protesters are attention seekers but still believe in the cause.

So does that mean he wasn't detained under the new bill? Because that's what his Tweet claimed.

In fairness to Synth (eurgh...) it does read that way.

Genuine question, who has been calling for it?

That is the case tbf, and I don't see why the death of a monarch would justify an extra annual bank holiday anyway.

Initial tributes is not a reason to cancel further ones

Apart from cricket. And cycling.

This is all true but the telling thing was that when one of the parties was before Prince Phillip's funeral Boris apologised to the Queen rather than doubled down on it.

The problem is however much we suspect it's a performance I can't know that so-and-so isn't genuinely affected emotionally. I can recall being slightly down when Richie Benaud died for example when most celebrity deaths don't really affect me at all.

I liked the slower stuff on 6 music when Prince Phillip died too, although it's strange when bantery presenters just read out the songs and artists

I heard that yesterday and evidently early today is meant to be about tributes to Elizabeth II and today will have more "what happens now" stuff.

Some people get emotional when millionaires who don't give a **** about them win or lose a football match Lack of options mean I'm watching the Mash report, out of respect for the queen there are no ads and just a channel ident between parts and the show itself hasn't had anything funny yet.

Use virtually any other railway site and you can save the booking fee too...

I can understand why the BBC as state broadcaster feels obliged to have an official period of mourning. Most freeview TV channels seem to be business as usual

So I know TV schedules are changed and light stuff/entertainment is cancelled due to the mourning period, does "everyday life" carry on as normal? In terms of public places like museums and libraries being open, normal shopping and so on.