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  1. Makes sense to me as well to keep this thread rolling and take FM20 out of the title. I've been awol for a few editions... went back to FM17 for a great Palermo save because I couldn't get much into the recent games. 21 looks great so far though and I'm doing a bit of research and narrowing things down before I start a long Calcio save. Final contenders seem to be Hellas Verona or Vicenza. I want to play a Gasperini inspired Atalanta tactic that I polished during an FM18 experiment. It completely relies on the wide CBs having "Bring ball out of defense" or there's no point and the ta
  2. This is an amazing example. If the stadiums of non major teams like this are done in more detail like this it would persuade me to play as a certain team just because of the stadium. As it is I play a lot of lower level Ligue 1, Serie A teams, or Serie B teams in FM and if the stadium has basic features of the real one it goes a long way for me. Really helps imagining the atmosphere and feeling like a home game is home. Also it makes it even more exciting when you are able to get a new stadium built for the anticipation to see the shiny new thing physically. Had a really emotional final g
  3. I play a very similar setup and also model my DM after 2017-2019 Fernandinho. In possession, I want him to sit in that space and connect the defense to the midfield and help us play out of the back and then be the central fixed player that everyone else can create triangles off of. But, similar to you it seems, I don't want him playing overly creative passes and thinking he has to unlock the opponents from back there. Just helping the ball move along is fine. So lots of the DM roles that are playmaker-ish have too many risky traits that I don't want. I often use a DM(d), sometimes in the past
  4. Interesting thread here, I'm enjoying the discussion. For many years on FM I've worked with different teams to achieve a Pep City inspired "free eights" 4-1-2-3 concept, so while I have not used a Libero much myself I find this exploration very pertinent to what I've worked with. I strive to create a similar shape and team function where in my case a DM plays the way you're trying to get your Libero to. (Minor detail -- actually I have my wings and fullbacks opposite what yours do, but that's a simple preference. My wings stay wide to stretch room for the CM's, and my IWBs replace where t
  5. @herne79 I don't think we're saying as different things as it may seem. When you say, "Define "enough" [involvement of passes to the Striker]"... well, I don't really want to because every manager would have a different threshold of what they want based on their tactics. I know you'd agree. So the purpose of this thread was to, as I've said, probe this statistic in a crude way to see if what we are seeing is even in the ballpark of the loose realm that managers might consider "enough." Passes Received is absolutely a statistic in isolation as you say, but it is deliberately chosen because
  6. Agreed. This little Prd experiment is sort of a crude way of looking at the overall picture here, but certainly those deeper things are more important. I think the Prd is sort of a quick thing we can compare more easily between each other without getting too caught up in what tactic exactly, what team, what familiarity, what opponent etc etc. Gives a sense of whether or not there is an issue here. Linking up play as you describe is very much my intent from my single striker. I like to explore Pep's concepts of free eights at City when I'm facing a deep defense. Not to get into my tactic s
  7. 100% @Svenc Duh, Treq. It was late. Thanks for bringing in that data from Serie A 2014-15. Be interesting to compare if we get more from FM. I should point out that in addition to throw ins (probably), those numbers also probably include crosses. For raw simplicity's sake I omitted crosses (sorta brings in lots more variables about player height, jumping, etc can mean ability to "receive" cross could lead to lots of targets but few completions... sort of a can of worms for these purposes). Assuming that data doesn't include crosses, I'm worried the ME puts strikers on the low end (wi
  8. @Svenc Solid entry! Lol. "about 26" is the new number to beat! Its ok that it was against own U-19s. But important to note. Looks like Bayern completed a TON of passes in such an unbalanced game (quick math, like almost 800). So is 26 of those, half around midfield, anywhere near what we would expect? Hard to say. I'd say its still pretty low. Especially since your striker was a Target Man. Doesn't seem like he was targetted much. 26/700? When you are presumably completely dominating the other team and parked in their third... only a handful of passes received near their box. I'm pic
  9. @CaptainPlanet What was the tactical workaround you found? Would love one. I even tried going strikerless with an AMC replicating my striker. Same deal.
  10. @CJ Ramson Seems like you and your team are at least listening or trying to work on this, so thank you! However I don't understand why PKMs are necessary for exploring the issue. This is a global tactical issue -- that is most pronounced when playing with a single striker. In my save it appears in every AI vs AI game where someone is using a lone striker tactic. I don't pretend to understand your process for digging into these things under the hood, but couldn't you just open any game or save at all and look at a game in which a team uses one striker? My advice on how to locate
  11. Using a single-striker tactic, what is the most passes received by the striker you can get in a match? * RULES: Excluding throw ins (just count them and deduct). Non-extra time. Striker may be positioned any of the central slots, not on the wing. Strikerless tactic with a single-AMC acting as "striker" counts but will be given an asterisk. You may show AI teams (but then we won't fully know their tactics). No crosses received - for now lets keep it simpler and just look at passes. Please post your results with a screenshot if possible and if it is a good result then please share a sh
  12. Best FM ever. Yep. Wish we had FM20 features and FM17 ME. I'd keep playing 17 if I didn't want to try things on updated rosters. I gave a very thorough half season to FM20 (most games in comp or full highlight) and will be going back to 17 until a ME patch arrives.
  13. I'd like to remind us all to take a wider and more productive perspective in discussing what is or isn't wrong with the Match Engine... 1. Some people are saying "my game doesn't have that issue" or "my tactic is fine" or "my ME is fine" -- but please check AI vs AI games in your save. That's how you'll really know, not just your tactic which could be down to any little detail. For example, the largest problem I'm having with the ME is that strikers in 1 striker systems are just decoys (I wrote briefly about this 3 pages ago, essentially look at lone striker recieved passes that aren't th
  14. Fair enough @Mikke. I did say that this seems to be mostly a glaring problem for single striker setups. Did you also see where these passes were being received? It also bothered me that pretty much 95% of them were nowhere near the penalty box. Nowhere near. Have a look at some of the teams in your save who play 1 striker. Maybe in your 2 striker tactic you don't suffer from this. But I find it very gamebreaking because today IRL most of the top teams play tactical concepts based around 1 striker. Trying to replicate any of them fails entirely because of this problem. Barca, Real, Li
  15. Everybody should look at any game analysis they can of any teams with a single striker formation (possibly any # strikers as well)... select it to display PASSES RECEIVED for the striker during the match. This will prove to you that the ME is [insert your own word]. I'm gonna simply say bad. You can debate later if -to you- it is "unplayable". I gave it a last solid go by watching 2 consecutive games in full highlight and researched striker touches in a variety of AI teams, tactics, situations as well. Also tried going strikerless using AMC instead. Same deal. You just cannot ge
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