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  1. 23 minutes ago, Bothan Spy said:

    There must be thousands of people over the years who have started following and supporting a club or a footballer after playing Football Manager. Which in turn has led to them purchase merchandise and tickets. 

    FM has helped raise the profile of countless clubs and players. If the licencing gets stricter and we have to endure more clubs calling themselves zoo animals, not letting us use their badges or see the players faces, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot PR wise.

    You are right. Really spot on. However the clubs are willing to let us use their badges, faces and kits. But for a price. It's a product they can sell. And computer games are a lucrative market. They will not sit idly by whilst their assets are offered for free without their permission.

     

    The fundamentals of the situation we are faced with is that the legality of the matter is undeniable.

    1. The hosting & distribution of protected player images, kits & logos is illegal unless the access and authority to do so has been granted. We might not like that. But I do not believe that statement can be challenged on legal grounds. 
    2. Sports Interactive have benefited significantly from a community which patches 'holes' in its games through Graphical Mods / Licence Fixes & Downloads that do include copyrighted material. Many of us here have already stated we only buy this game knowing we can 'self remedy' its perceived flaws.
    3. Sports Interactive, even on their very own hosted forums, allow links and advice to be published on how to acquire and gain access to these Graphical Mods & Enhancements. As well as making the modding and implementation of 'Graphical / Licence enhancements' extremely easy. Here is where they may face challenge. 

  2. I'll start as i started the other comment. I agree with you  in principle with what you are saying. But.

    30 minutes ago, RBKalle said:

    FM, as popular as it is, is still a game with a specific and small audience.

    • This is off the mark. FM sold over 2 Million Copies in 2019.  It consistently performs as one of the top selling PC titles.
    30 minutes ago, RBKalle said:

    True, but how much money is there in such a deal?

    • "FIFA generated $600 million in licensing rights for the 2015-2018 cycle" (FIFA Annual Report Summary). Juventus earned over (E)40m in licencing sales prior to the Konami Deal! There is enormous amounts of money in licencing and in particular granting access to 3rd parties to use said licences.
    30 minutes ago, RBKalle said:

    I'd see it as a "free" promotional tool, with fans from across the world managing the club and the league.

    I wish all companies shared your philosophy. Unfortunately this is not the case. Companies will spend hundreds of thousands of pounds not only registering their Trademarks, but many more thousands in defending their IP and unauthorized use of their protected property.

    30 minutes ago, RBKalle said:

    Clearly, the copyright owners COULD stop in, but I maintain a costs-benefits-backlash analysis could make them think twice about it.

    Lets be clear here. They are already stepping in. FM Scout have already withdrawn the ability to download graphics from their site citing adverse legal ramifications as the reason. Companies spend millions of pounds to trademark and protect their property, do not underestimate their resolve in trying to protect it. 


  3. 11 minutes ago, prienaiball said:

    Am I the only one who thinks that Thuram looks average in FM? The technical and mental stats look average

    (Shhh!) You are of course right. But he's a darling of Gladbach fans and is on fire this season in the Bundesliga!

     

    P.s 9 Games in:

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  4. 18 hours ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

    Been looking for a German side to manage for a few years. A nicely placed team outside the top 5 as you'd have it with a squad moving in the right direction, they play some fantastic football when I've seen them play on BT sport.

    Cheers for the inspiration :)

    Absolutley, new manager Marco Rose (From RB Salzburg) has them playing some high intensity, high press football - Very entertaining. 

    Big challenge though. Board want Champions League first season and that wont be easy!


  5. 6 hours ago, RBKalle said:

    On the other hand, Juventus doesn't lose a penny by a few 10k FM players downloading a "name fix" to get the names right and to make FM more enjoyable. Nor do SEGA or SI, at least directly, by leaving their coding "open".
    There isn't a FM Official EPL edition selling for £50 gathering dust on metaphorical shelves because users are purchasing FM Vanilla for £30 and then apply every additional graphics they can put their paws on.

    I'll start by saying. In sentiment I completely agree with you. 

    My fear is this - Juventus does lose a penny. Many a penny. Why?

    ...Because if the FM Community were not providing these resources for free. SI & The 'Football Manager' team would come under pressure to provide these. Many people (Myself included) in this thread have stated they would not be interested in the game without the Graphical & Licence improvements provided by the community.

    So without a community provided solution, SI come under heavy pressure from their fan base to acquire official licences. They would need to pay for these.  Here is where it can get interesting. The Premier League clubs for example, diminish their own ability to control their rights, they place a lot of the authority and control of image and licence distribution to the Premier League body - A "Collective Licencing System". There are exceptions where certain players and clubs retain autonomy, but as a general rule it applies. 

    Serie A and the case of Juventus is slightly different. The ability and authority to licence specific clubs badge & kits etc. rests with the club itself.  So if FM wanted the 'whole package' with Juventus to use their Intellectual Property - They would need to pay Juventus for it.  And we are talking BIG MONEY. 

    Now imagine you are the Chief Executive of Konami (Developers of Pro Evolution Soccer football game) - You've just a secured a lucrative contract with Juventus for EXCLUSIVE rights to their images, licence, kits & badge - And to your frustration, there is this very popular FM community taking content you've just paid millions for and coding it into the Football Manager game for free! Not only this, but Sports Interactive are making this extremely easy to do and are even hosting methods and links on their own official website to enable this. 

    ...Well you'd be pretty upset.


  6. 6 minutes ago, sidslayer said:

    I wouldn’t play this game, that has been with me for literally half of my life, if I couldn’t mod it with graphics anymore.

    I’m interested to know what the actual issue is with licensing. Is it purely the hosting of these images that is the problem? Seems bonkers as everything is readily available individually from the internet anyway, and no one is making any money from it.

    SI would have had to have changed the fundamentals of the game structure, with id’s etc if this was a problem. Which they haven’t. So I’m a little confused. 

    I agree. I think the game would lose all appeal to me if graphical mods could no longer be applied to game. 

    So the issue with licencing is relatively clear. Only the Trademark owners have legal rights to use and distribute the property they own. Any website or user that uploads Graphics intended for distribution is in breach of  Copyright Law.  With regards "No one is making money from it" - Well we've both just said we wouldn't buy the game without the graphical packs. So SI are certainly benefiting from it & Sortitoutsi.net charge a subscription that allows users to more easily download their graphic packs. 

    And I agree on your last point. SI could well come under increasing pressure to change the background working of the game to prevent users so easily implementing the graphics & licencing adjustments.  I am not an expert here mind, so others could maybe shed more light on how that could work.


  7. News starting to spread of a clamp down on 3rd party sites hosting graphics and picture packs for Football Manager. 

    FM Scout:

    "We feel obliged to our community to announce that due to licensing reasons we had to take down all graphical addons containing official club logos and player faces. These graphics are trademarked and/or copyrighted material owned by their respective trademark and copyright holders."

    FM Base:

    "In the last few days, you may have seen speculation surrounding the future of graphics packs for Football Manager on social media and other fansites. This is due to licensing issues, with legal action being threatened upon graphics creators using trademarked material in their work. This issue is one that has impacted not only graphics creators and fansites but the entire community, as shown by the action taken by 2game in stopping all affiliate partnerships involving Football Manager."

    There has been no comment from sortitoutsi.net.

     

    Whilst there seems to be little room for debating the legitimacy of these claims, the hosting and distributing of Logo's / Player Faces & 'License Fix Downloads' are clearly breaches of Trademark against the copyright holders. It would be very sad, and i believe extremely damaging to the Football Manager series if these features were not available. I personally would not enjoy the game half as much without the availability of these graphic packs and License fixes (Such As German National Team, proper competition names etc.).

    I believe the team at SEGA would come under a lot more pressure to implement and purchase rights for the major teams & leagues if these features were not readily available from the community. The team at Football Manager have been extremely lucky that the community have provided a solution to this in recent years. They've saved a great deal of resources not having to invest in acquiring the licenses whilst still reaping the benefits of having a game that so readily supports users being able to implement the graphical / licence fixes very easily themselves.

     


  8. Yeah, this is an interesting one. 

    I think that the software employed in the game is not clever enough to determine whether a game of football is "entertaining". Entertaining is an entirely subjective notion that i dont beleive the AI could pick up - I imagine the game has a checklist of criteria that it is looking to match up against. Something like:

    • Average Shots Taken Per Game > 13
    • Average Goals Scored Per Game > 1.5
    • Dribbles in Opposition Half > 7
    • Touches in Opposition Half >125

    Maybe? If enough of the criteria is met the AI will think the game was 'entertaining' based on the integrated coding about what an entertaining game is.


  9. ★ Season Preview - 2019/20 ★

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    Thank you all for taking the time for visit my guide for Gladbach in FM 2020. Gladbach have always been my 'main' save in FM and I really wanted to create a thread this year to hopefully garner some discussion and fun with other Managers. Really keen to see your success, tips, transfers and stories! I appreciate these dedicated threads are dieing out in favor of a specific league thread but I wanted to do it anyway. Hopefully if you are managing Gladbach you can stop by, learn something from the other posters here and hopefully share a piece of your story with us. 

     

    Season 2019/20

    First season. Transfer window disabled. 

    I am already daunted at the prospect of the boards requirements of Champions League qualification. The squad is good - Europa League good but the Champions League & a top 4 in Season 1 is a real challenge! 

    I've locked transfers out for the first window as i like to replicate real squads for the 1st season. Marcus Thuram is a real gem of a player, i loved watching him in France and signed him regularly in FM19 - I was so happy when he joined Gladbach! I am going to build my team around him and try and replicate some the success that Gladbach have experienced IRL so far this season! 

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    My ambition is to play a 3-5-1-1 formation.  The strengths of this is that it allows me to combine both Plea & Thuram in central forward positions.  I can flood the midfield and hopefully control the possession game, Zakaria and Kramer are very capable CMs and i am excited to see how Neuhaus develops in this latest edition of the game. I am attempting to play a controlled style of football, with width being provided by the Wing Backs. I want to be aggressive and play a high line, I think the above average pace of Elvedi and Ginter will support this play style. 

    Game 1 was against FC Shalke 04 - And we looked less that impressive. Shalke found some big flaws in my 3-5-1-1 and registered an impressive number of shots (17) against me in the 90 minutes. We were rescued by goals from the 2 debutants; Embolo and of course Marcus Thuram! The game finished 2-1 to Gladbach but I have alot of work to do for the next game away at Mainz. 

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    ...Here's to the rest on Season 1.

     

     

     


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    Gladbach Legend Jupp Heynckes with the Bundeliga & European Cup.

     

    ★★ Message in this thread to have your achievements  as Gladbach Manager recognized and immortalized forever in Football Manager 2020 ★★

     

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    ★ Bundesliga - Players★

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    ★ The Squad★
     

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    Star Player  #1 Yann Sommer 

    30 I Goalkeeper I Swiss

    #1 Yann Sommer has played for Borussia M'gladbach since 2014. The Swiss international is The Foals number one & has played 174 matches in the course of his career in the Bundesliga. Of these, he has won 81. 

    Sommer is a key player for Gladbach and capable of securing the #1 Jersey for a few years to come. 

     

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    Star Player ★ #30 Nico Elvedi

    23 I Versatile Defender I Swiss

    #30 Nico Elvedi  has already featured in more than 100 games for the Foals, helping them finish in the European places in two of his four seasons at the club
    A full Switzerland international Elvedi has also become a defensive mainstay for Gladbach, be it at center-back, where he featured 24 times last season, or full-back, where he filled in.
    Elvedi’s elegance on the ball despite his height and ability to play centrally or wide in a three- or four-man defense is impressive & Elvedi’s trajectory suggests that there will be significant silverware glistening in his trophy cabinet before his career is out.

     

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    Star Player ★ #30 Denis Zakaria

    22 I Combative Midfielder I Swiss

    #8 Denis Zakaria Borussia Mönchengladbach’s midfield is safe in the hands of Denis Zakaria. A powerhouse with passing ability far beyond his years
    Standing at 6'2", the towering figure is a dominant midfield force who plays the easy pass when he has the opportunity. Very much a defence-minded player.

     

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    Star Player ★ #14 Alassane Plea

    26 I Striker I French

    #14 Alassane Plea The Frenchman joined after 4 successful seasons with Nice in France & already has 6 goals and 4 assists in 8 games leading the line for Gladbach in the 19/20 season.
    A former Lyon academy graduate, he’s very slowly blossomed into a solid striker that can both play as an inside forward on the left or as part of a two-man strike force. Quick and strong, he’s a forward coming into his prime at 26.

     

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    ★ Key Player★

    #10 Marcus Thuram

    21 I Athletic Forward I French

    Thuram is the son of France legend Lilian Thuram. The most capped player in the history of Les Bleus.  It’s a large shadow to step out of, but Marcus began to do so in January 2019 when he made headlines in the Coupe de la Ligue quarter-final. Minutes after he missed a penalty against Paris Saint-Germain, Guingamp fell behind. But Thuram was unperturbed and stepped up from the spot again in the 93rd minute to inflict PSG’s first defeat in the competition over six years.

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    Thuram's upward career trajectory has continued apace at Gladbach. Under Marco Rose, the forward has formed part of a new-look frontline alongside Alassane Plea and Breel Embolo.

    Thuram's impressive physical stats combined with his positional versatility and flair mark him out to be an exciting and forceful attacking option for Gladbach in game. His impressive start for Gladbach this season will be hard to replicate in game, but if Die Fohls have ambitions of Champions League qualification, geting Thuram firing is essential. 

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    “He’s going to be a great player. He’s going to have a great future.” – Former Saint Etienne coach Jean-Louis Gasset

    “He’s a player for big events.” – Former Ajaccio coach Albert Cartier

    "He's a fast, robust and dangerous assailant who fits very well in our squad and we are sure he will make his way in the Bundesliga." - Gladbach sporting director Max Eberl

     

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    ★ Hot Prospect★

    #40 Andreas Poulsen

    19 I Pacey Wing Back I Danish

    Born in 1996 Poulsen played for FC Midtjylland from 2015-2016 and has played for Borussia M'gladbach since 2018. Yet to make his first start for Gladbach this season Poulsen faces plenty of competition for the LB spot at Borussia Part. With Wendt, Lainer and promising Algerian Bensebaini ahead of him in the pecking order. It may take a Loan move or a Manager who really see's his potential and secures him first team playing time to really ensure he develops and achieves all that his potential is showing. 

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