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  1. Throughout the 70s and 80s the only convention Liverpool complied with was no.1 for goalkeeper. For example, 5 and 11 were midfield numbers, 7 a forwards number. Even 9 often ended up being worn by a wide midfield player. If you played well and the team won (which was a lot more often that not) you stayed in the team and kept your number.
  2. irish kopite

    Double pivot

    I have noticed in the beta that if you set both full backs to FB(S) one will stay back as the other goes forward. I haven't played too much of the beta yet and I've only used 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 so it's only a small sample.
  3. Virgil Van Dijk. He is the best centre back in the premier league by a long way. His mental stats in particular need an upgrade.
  4. 1. Fluid counter attack= Arsenal Invincibles would be best example I can think of. A structured counter attacking team from that era would be Houlliers Liverpool. 2. Gegenpress looks to counter attack quickly when the ball is won. Control possession looks to hold onto the ball. May be best for dragging a very defensive team out of shape to create chances or holding onto a lead without sitting back to deep. I reckon that because both defensive lines would be high up the pitch they would need to counterpress.
  5. These tactical changes alone are worth buying FM2019. Also, should the proposed link work between your tactical style and the new training module, which in itself is long overdue, I believe this edition will go down as revolutionary. A small thing for me would be a more intuitive DOF in terms of transfers and contract renewals and with the possibility of tactics, training and DoF working together, I believe SI will have made huge strides in creating a realistic simulation of modern football management
  6. In my current Liverpool save, I use Mane on the right in an IW (A) role in a 4-4-2. He chips in with goals and assists. To make an inverted winger work I think you need to: 1.empty the space in front of an attacking inverted winger for those diagonal outside to in runs like Freddie Ljungberg. I have Firmino in a DLF (s) ahead of Mane. 2. Importantly, I have Arnold in a WB (s) behind him making forward runs often to push Mane inside. I think any other Full Back role without those frequent forward runs sees an inverted winger stay too wide. 3.Mane also has the necessary traits like cut inside from the right. 4.I balance out a very attacking right flank by having Henderson in a CM (d) role on that side of the pitch. Finally, I think you get more out of an IW A having a right footed player on the right and vice versa. If he gets stuck he can put in a short low cross and somebody might get on the end of it. I know this is not what the inverted winger role in real life is intended for but it's my own observation. I found that using Salah for example on the right ran into traffic far too easily and lost possession.
  7. That is what I do. I remould natural centre midfielders into wide midfielders and Bootroom era Liverpool did this. e.g. Ronnie Whelan & Sammy Lee from the 82-86 team that you had in mind. An important ppm to train is play one twos as are the PIs dribble less and fewer risky passes. Whelan and Lee were hardworking give and go players who stretched the pitch when Liverpool had the ball and tucked into a midfield bank of 4 when possession was lost. Those type of wide players aren't readily available in the modern era due to prevalence of 4231s and 443s. The current squad does have a traditional Liverpool No. 8 RM- James Milner. I'm giving Arnold a go here in this position long term and Arthur in Whelan's left midfield slot. FM 18 is easier in respect of RMs than previous editions. Dalglish's deep lying forward role can be hard to fill but Firmino is doing well with the ppm drops deeper trained.
  8. Yes. I always like to see somebody else's interpretation of Bob Paisley's Liverpool sides. I try to re-create it in every FM with Liverpool but it's hard to find suitable players in the modern era from the get go. e.g. hardworking pass and move wide midfielders have fallen out of fashion
  9. I try to base my Liverpool tactics on Bob Paisleys in each addition of FM. This is the Liverpool style for me and I tend to lose interest in a save after a season or two if I am not attempting to implement the principles of "The Liverpool Way" with Liverpool. My take on the tactical side of TLW is that at a macro level it was very systematic. It can be summed up by Ronnie Moran's Melwood catchphrase of "Get it, give it, go!". Standing still in one of the famed 5/6/7/8 a sides was a guarantee of getting a bollocking off Moran. Joe Fagan was fond of explaining to new signings that static targets get hit but it's much harder to hit a moving target. Simple common sense really but very useful insights into the Bootroom's approach. I haven't settled into FM18 yet. In recent versions I've gone with standard/ flexible. I don't agree that the shape is fluid or very fluid as I have read in some other threads. Improvisation outside of the continuous passing and moving was encouraged but nothing too crazy. It was all about balance. I think you also need a bit of depth in the side to offer good passing options. I do go a bit OTT for some with the TIs. Close down more, higher defensive line, tight marking, prevent gk short distribution and crucially I go for shorter passing, dribble less, roam from position. I think these last 3 instructions are essential. In general a 4-4-2/ 4-4-1-1 was the system. 4-4-1-1 was more useful in Europe when the attacking mid dropped back to make a 5 man midfield without the ball. I don't really go for PIs in keeping with the bootrooms distain for micromanagement. They didn't really need to do so because they made sure that the players that were recruited could play their natural games WITHIN the system. In addition to passing, first touch and off the ball, anticipation and decisions are important. I disagree with one part of the OP. Not all Liverpool players were complete players by any means- Alan Kennedy, Joey Jones, Jimmy Case, Sammy Lee. Indeed, David Hodgson made this observation in Red Machine. But they were good mentally resilient players who would fight to the final whistle to get a result. I keep a close eye on personality, determination, concentration, stamina and bravery when I sign players and let them go. "You see, you have to have balls to win things... we didn't want fellas who couldn't give a bo!locks" Ronnie Moran
  10. irish kopite

    The 4231 Explained

    A real eye opener. Thank you. 👍
  11. irish kopite

    Football Manager TV: Tactics

    Yes I can see that. Would maybe need to add roam from position if that's possible to make a world class winger the creative fulcrum of the team in a structured shape. He needs to be given total freedom. I would like to combine a player like that with a Raumdeuter on the other side. I hope to be able to turn this new wide Treq into a combination of a Treq/ Advanced Playmaker (wide).
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    Football Manager TV: Tactics

    Hard to think of a Trequartista out wide currently playing. Two that I can think of from the past are John Barnes and John Robertson. Both had the freedom to either go down the line or cut inside so not exact examples. Robertson was definitely the playmaker in Forest's European Cup winning teams.
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    Bob Paisley - Liverpool

    I wouldn't get overly hung up on centre left/ right. Your tactic will be more balanced with a central attacking midfielder on the opposite side of a deep lying forward. Former will have more space to attack, latter more space to drop off into.
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    Bob Paisley - Liverpool

    Yes, I forgot that Ronnie Whelan said in his book that the Liverpool team he broke into in 1981-2 stretched the pitch as much as they possibly could. Would using roles such as BPD (Hansen), DLP (Souness) and as has also been suggested WP(s) (Ray Kennedy) not conflict with a fluid approach? Specialized player roles become diluted in fluid systems? I don't disagree but would taking that approach not conflict with the 'secret' of Liverpool's playing style of the Paisley/ Fagan era, which was trusting top class players to figure out what needed to be done on the pitch for themselves and a loathing of over complication and micro- management? Or maybe the Liverpool playing style of the mid 1970s- mid 1980s has been misinterpreted. The pass and move approach was not adopted for aesthetic reasons. In a nutshell, you have a better chance of scoring if you have the ball and the opposition cannot score against you if they have the ball. Football is less mentally exhausting if you have more of the ball but is physically exhausting if your chasing the shadows of some of the best players in the game. The Bootroom was clinically pragmatic, and Paisley more so than perhaps any of the truly great managers of the game. Therefore, Liverpool's approach was highly mechanical. The great sides grinded teams into submission with the accuracy of their passing and ceaseless work rate when not in possession. Alternatively, rigid, counter, press more, higher defensive lines as a starting point with more specialist roles?
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