[FM24: Arsenal - Taking the next step]

Played as Arsenal in the Beta and really enjoyed it.

Playing

                Ramsdale

White Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko

                    Rice

        Odegaard Havertz 

Saka                           Martinelli

                   Jesus

Jesus not performing well like others.  Signed Oshimen in the Beta and he was great.  Saka only 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 games as well.  Top of the leagues and doing well in Europe as well.  Won first 2 games then drew 2-2 away at Bayern.  Only late October.  Not made any signings but scouting some youngsters.  Team is really good so don't want to make too many changes

[FM24 Early Access Official Feedback Thread]

4 hours ago, StephenG said:

i'm noticing 0 flexibility from all contract negotiations so far. until i make it non-negotiable and more often than not they accept a much lower salary. not sure if it's a (yet another) bug.

Yep, contract negotiations are not well thought out.  means game is not going to be able to be played long term.  Trossard for example on £110K a week, an impact sub and who doesn't play much is wanting £200K a week and won't negotiate.

[FM24 Early Access Official Feedback Thread]

Just now, KamyKaze said:

Reiss Nelson won't accept lower the Regular Starter, wich is crazy given the season Saka and Martinelli had for me  

Yeah, the contract negotiations seems fine sometimes but broken with others where they just will not budge which is very unrealistic.  Maybe 1 player will be stubborn, but not 7 or 8.

[FM24 Early Access Official Feedback Thread]

Anyone else having issues with contract negotiations in season 2?  Playing as Arsenal and want to extend some players contracts, but they want very high wages, much more than they are currently on, and will not budge on wage or length.  Take Ben White, wont budge on wanting £150K (not totally unreasonable) but also will not budge on 4 years when I try and make it 5 years.  I don't mind them starting with demands and then we come to an agreement, but when they blatantly refuse to negotiate it is not good.  Happened with several of the players who are just unwilling to change their demands.

 

Also some prices for players are very unrealistic.  Tried to sign Hato from Ajax.  Understand them not wanting to sell but they demand £95million.  Arsenal signed Timber for £35mil.  A player who had more experience, full international and still very young.  Just not realistic with transfers.  Shame

[*Official* Football Manager 2022 Early Access Beta Feedback Thread]

2 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

They'll start to appear when the players begin to form a bond etc. 

Thanks

[*Official* Football Manager 2022 Early Access Beta Feedback Thread]

In the tactics screen, where are the lines between the players to show their chemistry together?  Can't seem to see it

[[FM21] Tottenham Hotspur - All or Nothing]

Well, I managed to win the league cup and europa league and finished 3rd so back in champions league.  Got beat in semi of FA cup but all in I'm very chuffed with the season.  I note that whereas we were paying 25million debt per month, it is now down to about 3 million which is far more manageable.

I had a huge turnover and managed to get my key targets which surprised me.  I got 80 million transfer budget and paying a lot in instalments I managed to get: Kounde (was already arranged), Dani Olmo, Jadon Sancho, Livakovic and Max Aarons.  I sold Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko, Hart and Foyth and in process of selling Lamela.  Don't know how but my transfer budget is still 70million with 190k wages to spare!

If a team comes in for Edwards I'll go for him too, but thinking of this season having Son on left and Sancho on right, but might switch them.  Overloaded in central midfield with Skipp being back and looking good so will see how that goes.  Don't really have a second striker so going to use Parrott there for the time being.

[[FM21] Tottenham Hotspur - All or Nothing]

Thanks for the tips.  I'm doing better and Kane is scoring now!!!  Played 29 games in league, sitting 3rd and 4 points of top spot Liverpool.  I don't expect to win league but was aiming for top 4.  In quarter finals of Europa League and doing well, aiming to win that.  In final of League Cup but thats v Man city, and in semis of FA cup but that is v man utd who are doing well.

Will look at Livakovic.  Was also thinking of Edwards for AMR.  I got rid of Dele Alli as he never really fit into my tactic and wanted money and him off the wage bill.  I'm no spurs fan so don't hold any sentiment to the players so hoping to get rid of a few.  Lamela and Sissoko were on transfer list but received no bids.  Hopefully in summer.  Bale has done great for me but his stats are declining and he's on a massive wage so will be good to get him off wage bill at seasons end.  I've signed Kounde for centre back to play alongside Torres so my defence should be sorted for years, maybe just need a RB.  Hoping the champions league money I'll get (hopefully next season) will help finances and entice more players.  Looking to sign Dani Olmo (always wanted him but never signed him) and Jadon Sancho, maybe not next season but in future.  I will need a new AMR though so Edwards is a good shout.

Does the debt clear up?  It's a lot each month, but hoping thats for the first year only.

 

[[FM21] Tottenham Hotspur - All or Nothing]

14 minutes ago, plcarlos said:

Ok, so part of the issue with Kane scoring could be lower tempo and work ball into box. Think about it - If you take all day to get to the box (Lower tempo + work ball in), where's the space for him to attack? I'd up the tempo (Just 1 notch), aside from anything the sqaud is good enough to pull that off.

5th is not a bad place to be in season 1 with that squad, so it's a very realistic place to be. Those ratings are good as well. 6.7/6.8 in game is an average, so being above that is not too bad

If that's just 1 match, give it a few more before anymore changes, it takes time to gel, and get used to it, as well as see the movement patterns. This will help in seeing if Kane is in the right positions to score. I'd also avoid any more changes with that lot coming round in the next game..

Bear in mind that I think Sheffield united play 3 at the back in the game, so you've got to get space from elsewhere, so when the middle is congested, the space is wider..

Saying that, you now have different movement from the front 3, so it's a bit more variety, Maybe the roles cold be tweaked - Son as an IF = More of a goal threat that creator (Again, just my personal preference).

Personally I'd play Dier as a HB, or DM-D. Partly as having 2 playmakers in the midfield could further slow the pace down. Dier as a HB would drop in almost as a 3rd CB. and maybe allow the WB-S to get higher up. Or as a DM-D, he'd offer a touch more protection and play safer when it's won back. It could also allow N'Dombele to get on the ball more - He got plenty of assists for Kane with that plays killer balls trait.

Maybe a get further forward for the BBM could add a bit more central attack or play Dele there no PI's - This does not meant to try to get the BBM in on goals to take away from Kane (Although it's never a bad thing to have more players scoring), it's to create a threat that pulls defenders away to create space for Kane\Son\Bale. Again, 1-2 tweaks max, and run that for a few games (5 or more) to see if the change works.

I'm mixed with the higher lines in season 1, as the pace of Toby\Dier\Hugo may be an issue - Personal preference though, if it's working and your NOT getting hit on the counter, no need to change. Personally I play Hugo as a GK-D, or SK-D, mainly as his distribution is low in game. Speaking of Hugo - Line up a replacement\developing GK quick, as he is on the edge to decline and can be updgraded anyway.

Thanks for the info, I'll give it a go.  Who do you suggest for GK.  I was thinking maybe Onana but he's got a global ban.

What are the transfer budgets like for season 2?

[[FM21] Tottenham Hotspur - All or Nothing]

2 hours ago, plcarlos said:

Hard to picture without the image, but any Team Instructions?

Role-Wise:

Bale and Son in the same role will attack similar space, which is just about OK, as you'll have Kane dropping off to feed them.Personally, I'd prefer a change in Son as per below. When Moura plays, do you change Kane's role at all? If not then Moura has 1 target - Son. So moving Kane to a DLF-A could help there. I'd use that role so that he can still link up to get involved.

Personally, I play as an IF-A\S dpending on opposition\team mates. I think he's more a goal threat than a creator (IW role is more creator than some others).

The AP-S is quick forward playing role, but is targetting Son\Moura\Kane only, vs actually moving forward.

I'd actually base the tacic off Moura vs Bale, simply as I've barely got Bale to get to double figures in game time, and the personality turns me against him (I Sell players who argue that 5.9-6.3 traning rating is not poor).  It's a shame he's so badely rated and the decline on any injury is horrific, Lamela being Injury Prone means it's hard to rely on either in that role.

Before I go any further, how is the tatic actually working? If you are doing well, there's always a trade-off in making changes. I'd always only make 1-2 changes at a time at most.

Again, with out the Team instructions, it's hard to comment, as we don't know what you are trying to play.

Above all, it's hard to give better adivse without the tactic including the Team instrtuctions, and\or Player instructions as they can change how roles play out

Not sure if this'll work as not sue how to post screenshots.  I've altered it slightly, to DLP Attack and Bale on support.  We beat Sheffield Utd and Kane scored, but it was a penalty.  I've not changed any other instruction other than asked Kane to shoot more often

[[FM21] Tottenham Hotspur - All or Nothing]

Hi, anyone else playing as Spurs?

I'm struggling a bit and getting too many draws.  Harry Kane gets ok match ratings but just doesn't score for me.  Only signing I've made is Pau Torres as there is not too much money and I thought the defence needed strengthening.

My team is:

GK - Lloris - sweeper keeper support

RB - Doherty - wing back support

RCB - Aderweireld - BPD defend

LCB - Torres - CD defend

LB - Requilon - wing back support

DCM - Dier - Ball winning midfielder defend

MCR - Hojbjerg - B2B support

MCL - Ndombele - advanced playmaker support

AMR - Bale - Inverted winger attack

AML - Son - Inverted winger attack

CF - Kane DLP support

 

I sometimes use Lo Celso as the playmaker, winks in B2B and Moura as AMR winger support

Any help is useful to get Kane scoring more regular

Thanks

 

[[England Premier Division] Data Issues]

8 minutes ago, Dan Ormsby said:

Sorry, but most of this is nonsense and is not the sort of thing we should be allowing to be posted on a data bugs thread.  You're fine to disagree with the PA of these two players.  I've explained very clearly my thinking behind Saka's rating with reasoning and an explanation in terms of the game and real life.  I also explained the fact that I did not set Mustafi's PA and the fact that we are instructed not to alter PAs downwards for players like Mustafi.

As I've said before I'm extremely busy with QA work for SI and I don't have time to respond to personally directed, opinionated rants like this.  If I'm wrong about Real Madrid captain Saka, please come back and bump this thread in six or seven years as he lifts the European Super League trophy for the fifth season running and I'll hold my hands up and say you were right, Come on ye pars, you were right!  Until then, please vent your frustrations on the discussion forums and leave this thread for bugs, seriously.

 

You think it's correct that an employee of SI talks to someone in this way? Personally I wouldn't be allowed to speak to one of my customers this way so think it's poor.

Also, thank you for not answering about Martinelli or how we can get a new Arsenal researcher, thank you so much for that.  You are coming across as very arrogant and think thats a disgrace.  We must all bow down to your superior knowledge.  

I previously asked where attributes and CA/PA should be discussed where it would be taken seriously but was not informed where it should be discussed where the researchers would actually take things into consideration.

[[England Premier Division] Data Issues]

14 minutes ago, Dan Ormsby said:

Hi there, I'm afraid you are looking at this in very FM terms and also not understanding how PA works.

Saka has made great progress very early on in his career.  He has established himself as a good first team player at a big club and I'm sure will make further improvements over the coming seasons.  However, while he has already proved himself as a reliable and exciting first team player, I don't believe he is a player that is going to go on to become one of the very best players in the world.  If he reaches his maximum PA in FM - which in a lot of saves he will do due to his young age and how the game mechanics work - he will go on to be a better player in the game than I actually believe it is likely he will ever be in real life.

So put simply, you're wrong here I'm afraid, unless you disagree with me about the likelihood of Saka becoming absolute top, top level in the future, one of the very best players in the world.  If so, you are quite at liberty to use the in game editor for things like this, to increase his PA to a level I have carefully considered to be unrealistically high.

I can confirm I decided to increase his PA from FM20 quite early on in the cycle so that has gone up.  Also Mustafi's PA is totally irrelevant as this will have been set years ago by a different researcher and we are told not to change PAs of players except in exceptional circumstances.  Mustafi will never reach his PA in FM21 (in fact it is unlikely his CA will increase at all) as in game terms he is no longer developing due to his age and certain other factors.

Sorry, how is Mustafi's PA irrelevant?  I get that it was set a while back and will not reach it in this game, but are you telling me that Mustafi at one point looked like he would be a better player than what Saka looks like he will ever be?  I'm sorry but I just do not believe you are rating Arsenal players fairly as is shown by the numerous people that have complained already.  I also don't think we should have to have to use the Editor for things like this, especially when the researcher is employed by SI.  I simply do not think you are being fair and am very surprised that you don't think Saka will be a great player when everything points out that he has the potential to be one.  Believe me, I'm not an English fan, but am pleased to see him play for England in competitive games and I believe he has not looked out of place.  If you are dead set on given him a set PA, then I think it should have been increased by a lot more than the marginal increase you gave.  May I suggest given him a minus PA then?

Can I ask about Martinelli then, who was described as a talent of the century by Jurgen Klopp? Do you think you can rate Martinelli better than one of the best managers in the game currently?

Sorry, I am now having a go and do feel bad for it, but I disagree with the PA of these two players and I think you'll find that most would agree that they are too low.  I'm not sure for future games if you'd step down as Arsenal researcher and let someone else take the reigns???

[[England Premier Division] Data Issues]

On 15/11/2020 at 19:59, Nick OGS20 said:

In addition to Santy's post, I think the Fofana/Partey supposed inconsistency is a very easy one to explain. Fofana is 19 and didn't even have a full season behind him before his move, you can understand the researcher(s) covering ASSE being cautious (they haven't even seen that much of him) but when he's made such an impression after the move and you've got the game pushing him out on loan, there's a lot of justification for making some changes. Partey's 27 and was at a big club in a big league for a long time - it might be that Arsenal fans (and others) disagree with how he's rated in certain areas but the research team in Spain have had a lot of time and opportunity to assess him and refine his profile, plus he's rated as one of the best players in the Premier League in his position so there is no pressing need to hastily overrule the previous research efforts.

Respectively I've got to disagree.  On one hand we are told that Chelsea youngsters are set and won't be changed cause the chelsea researcher has seen them more than anyone, but now we're getting told that the St. Etienne researcher has only saw a handful of games.  Or are you admitting that there is a big league bias, where someone in the French league (apart from PSG) is never going to be the same once they move to the EPL?

To be honest, I'm not too bothered with Partey, I'm more interested in how Saliba's PA compares with Fofana's, especially Saliba was rated the higher of the two.  It's well known why Saliba hasn't played or been registered and is nothing to do with his ability or potential.

I'd also like to know why there is such a difference between the PA of Saka compared with Foden or Greenwood?  Saka showed last season how much potential he had, and is now in the England squad playing in competitive fixtures much like Greenwood (before his transgressions).  Saka has a PA lower than Mustafi.  I know Arsenal used to be rated very highly a few seasons ago, but it seems that certain players are not getting treated fairly because of it.  Martinelli is another with his PA.  He looked fantastic before his injury, was coveted by big clubs and was classed as a generational talent.  He has the same PA as Mustafi.  I don't recall Mustafi ever being classed as a generational talent by one of the best managers in the game.

[[England Premier Division] Data Issues]

6 minutes ago, diddydaddydoddy said:

I discussed this a few posts above your post...

After a dozen or so games, minor tweaks could be deemed reasonable - the odd +1/-1 or so’ not +4 or 5/-4 or 5. And any minor tweak is at the discretion of the Researcher/SI as to whether they agree with it. 

I'm not wanting to have a go at you as you seem very reasonable, but you mention a dozen or so games, Fofana has played 7 games.  Partey for example (as people have mentioned him) has played 5 (although one as a sub).  I'm just thinking that there seems to be some inconsistences

[[England Premier Division] Data Issues]

3 hours ago, Philip Rolfe said:

Can we please stick to reporting legitimate data issues, everyone? This isn't a data discussion forum and, while we are very happy for everyone to have their voices heard, the primary function of this topic and forum is to report issues to be corrected for a future database update. That task is made much harder for the whole research team when significant chunks of each page are devoted to squabbling about what amount to small changes based off personal assumption, preference, bias, whatever. Whether you're right or wrong isn't really up for debate there; when the editor is released, you can change things to be however you want them to be, but convincing a committed and hard-working research team to make minor adjustments to their work isn't always going to be possible. Please do not denigrate any other research team when making your case; criticism of the Lille researcher above, for example, will lose you any credit you're trying to build.

Thank you to everyone who continues to engage with the data, particularly the logging of things that indisputably require fixing. If we can refine the approach in here towards the full purpose of the forum, that would be great.

If this isn't the place to discuss players data/attributes, where then is the place, or can one be created?

I'm not going to suggest new attributes but there definitely seems inconsistency.  The Leicester researcher admitted that Fofana has been changed as they've saw him play in PL.  Why can't the same be done for other players? 

[[Scotland] Data Issues]

37 minutes ago, Giro said:

It's been lowered to 2 for having the audacity to defy the cosmos and score a double against the mighty Bairns!!  . Aye it's been upped bud. As I say, everything was taken on board. I'm sure O'Hara's finishing did go up a bit as well. Last season was his first prolific season, after not really doing it at Falkirk or his loan spells, so we don't want to make too rash a judgement, but as you said, there's a reason Dunfermline signed him to replace Nisbet for the 20/21 season.

Cheers for the Martin link, I'll pass that on.

Thanks very much, also - "It's been lowered to 2 for having the audacity to defy the cosmos and score a double against the mighty Bairns!!" - surely he should have all 20s for attributes and CA/PA of 200/200?????????????? hahaha.  To be fair, yous should have had a penalty that game.  You looked to have a good team this year.  Was impressed by Morrison from hearts, looks a good player

 

[[Scotland] Data Issues]

8 minutes ago, Giro said:

Aye there is, it's ME !! *Maniacal laugh * 
Aye, there is a Dunfermline researcher, he was new for FM20 and getting in the swing of things and growing well for 21. PA -7 

Dow is now an MR/AM RC. Thomas AM RL and Martin a DL C with DL his natural position. Murray a M/AM C, with ratings for wide right and left.

How dare yoooooooou question my McManus attributes , but I can confirm that your opinions were taken on board and altered where it was agreed necessary. Kevin Nisbet fee is currently set as -1, so it should say undisclosed. There's no injury set for Martin or addons for Nisbet, so we'll need to see if we can find anything and race the clock.

Hope this helps.

Oh and I can't remember if it was you that asked about Jock Stein and Bert Paton for the legends, unfortunately we can't look to get them added until FM22, because stuff like that has to be signed off by the clubs/SPFL for licensing and that's already been done for this years game.

Perfect, hope Euan Murray has higher leadership too.

Thanks for getting back to me, appreciate it.

It wasn't me that asked about Paton or Stein (meaning there are two Pars fans haha).  That's cool, didn't know they'd have to sign off on that.

Regarding Martin's injury see https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Manager_on_Thursday&ID=12664.  Crawford says: "Stevie also confirmed that his 24 year old defender Lewis Martin is going to be out for a lengthy spell and is going to have to do rehab.

“It is disappointing but at least we know where we are at with Lewis now. The problem is coming from his calf and worked its way down to the ball of his foot. It is just one of those things. There are boys at other clubs who have suffered from the lockdown period and have picked up lengthy injuries. Unfortunately Lewis seems to be that one who has picked up something when out running during the lockdown period."

 

No idea for timescale unfortunately but looks like a calf injury

[[Scotland] Data Issues]

9 hours ago, Giro said:

Aye it will be, the beta data hasn't and won't change. Like I said above regarding Rangers, the beta data was finalised a while ago and since then, there's been umpteen changes going on, still going, up until the final release. His aggression's been changed and will be 17 when the game is released. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Hi, you able to tell me then if the Dunfermline changes I suggested have been changed especially the positional ones.

Curious, is there a Dunfermline researcher?

Also Lewis Martin has been injured since the summer, not sure if that will be implemented however I don't know much details so can be left out I guess.  Likewise regarding the Kevin Nisbet transfer was not free.  It was about 250K I believe, but should at least be undisclosed.  Again there were clauses in the deal, but unfortunately don't have any specific details.  Maybe some Hibs fans know.

[[Scotland] Data Issues]

9 minutes ago, Hibs1875 said:

As a hibs fan I can confirm that Fraser Murray is certainly not a wide player. Crawford might see fit to play him out of position but he should need to be trained for some time to become natural there. Wouldnt suit playing wide with his lack of pace anyway.

Appreciate I've not saw as much as him as Hibs fans, but he has played there in most games for us so far.  I'm not suggesting making him natural there, but at least should have some rating.

[[Scotland] Data Issues]

A few positional changes for Dunfermline

Ryan Dow, in game he is natural at MR and AML, but in real life he has played MR/AMR for us every game he has played so he should be natural at AMR.

Likewise Dom Thomas, in game he is natural at AMR but he should be natural at AML.  He has played there every game for us.

Lewis Martin, he started his career at CB but for last 3 seasons has been played at LB.  In game he should be natural there.

Steven Whittaker, Hibs fans can confirm, but think he's played more as a CM/CDM these days.  He has played all his games for us there so far.  This position rating should be higher I'd think.

Also Fraser Murray has played CM and MR/AMR for us.  He doesn't have a rating at MR/AMR.  Our Manager confirmed when we signed him on loan that he can play on either side and through middle.

Other ratings, Euan Murray (firstly he looks natural at CB this year which is good) should have a higher leadership.  He's our captain, was captain at Raith Rovers and Southport so I think it should be higher than 9, something like 14 or more I'd reckon.  Aaron Comrie looks to have a 0 for determination.  This shouldn't be random, I'd say a 12.  He was excellent for us last year and was a very driven player.  Declan McManus, he wasn't playing for us last year, but from his previous spell and this current spell, his determination should be about 14 each.  He's not the most gifted player but was a very hard working determined player and still is.  Lastly is Kevin O'Hara, I get he has a high pace etc, but his finishing is very low for someone that scored about 14 goals for Alloa last season.  Compared to Lewis McCann who scored zero.  I'd say O'Hara should have 12/13 for finishing and McCann 10/11

Thanks

[Football Manager 2018 *Official* Feedback Thread]

Is anyone else finding it lags on the first day you become manager?  It is struggling to get through the first day when it was fine before.