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What are the most important things to analyse in the Data Hub when it comes to developing a tactic/playstyle/philosophy? Beyond wins-losses, obviously.
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7 hours ago, jcafcwbb said:
Apologies for putting this in this thread rather than its own but I am not sure if it needs its own thread.
After watching the FA Cup Final I wonder whether Ten Hag's tactics can be used well in FM.
He defended with a narrow 4-2-4 principally to frustrate Man City's desire to play in the half-space. The other was Rashford and Garnacho were closing down their full-backs but still leaving three centrally. It forced Man City to change their tactics throughout the match. They got most out of Doku but the 4-2-4 still shut down Man City's play only conceding to a goalkeeper error.
The narrow 4-2-4 expanded to a wide 4-2-3-1 with McTominay being prepared to sit and allow Mainoo too make forward runs - which happened for their second goal. In defence the two pivots would be Aramabat and Mainoo but in attack two of McTominay, Mainoo or Aramabat. Rashford and Garnacho exploited the space down the flanks - especially in the quick counter. Fernandes played a False 9 and with no striker to mark the defenders struggled to know who to mark. The was also a numbers superiority for United in central midfield.
It was a low block, counter which worked to perfection but I always struggle when I play defensive tactics in FM.
Is Ten Hag's master tactic possible in FM?
It's funny you should ask that because I was thinking of asking myself. I have City next game, too. I'd love for someone more tactically astute to attempt a recreation, but as bababooey said above replicating certain aspects instead is probably the way forward. Happy to be proven wrong, of course.
Edit #1: Leading 2-0 at halftime!
Edit #2: Won 3-0!
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14 minutes ago, HanziZoloman said:
With a midblock I try to cast a thick web of players which is hard to play through, a tight bunch. There are some ways to build that.
The midfield trio are two SV going from DM into AM and a BWM(D) who is chasing down opponents. All three could be somewhere else and then I am open to all attacks. Same goes for WB(S/A), they are bombing forward especially the (A) and then who will cover for that?In my Billericay Midblock I have a lot of (S) roles, the RPM is roaming from DM into AM the Mezzala tends to defend higher, but behind that there are a DM (hold position) and two FB(S), plus the two CB. The only attacking role is the PF(A) in my set up.
You have roles I‘d maybe pick if I wanted to play counterpress because many of your players are close to the opponents defenseline.
I've noticed, especially against the better teams, your Liverpools, Uniteds, etc., they seem to pass through my midfield easily and then I concede. I'll make some adjustments per your advice. Do you play with wingers? Ideally I'd want to maximise Wharton, Olise, and Eze before they're inevitably sold.
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5 minutes ago, HanziZoloman said:
@billmatic as long as performance levels are good everything is fine. I would not have chosen your roles in the first place because it's too much running around for me but if it works well for you, it's perfect.
Which roles would you have chosen? I'm still trying to figure out which roles are beneficial to this approach.
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4 hours ago, HanziZoloman said:
Pre season friendlies are rarely a good hint on how the team is performing.
I try and offer my thoughts: on first sight it looks straight forward and like a good setup but if I imagine the roles and where they are, when play breaks down the issues are really difficult.
Both WB(A) are pushing forward in a line of four with the forwards, the DLF(A) is dropping into AM but will drive forward again as soon as possible. The AP(S) is the only central player offering passing options. The BWM will be an option at times but he will be out of position a lot as he is charging opponents. the DM(S) will be an option behind.
You want to play in a midblock and charge forward as soon as you win the ball but I don’t see that happen because when you retreat into a midblock, two strikers, both WB and the BWM at times will be out of position.you need to cast a web of players which makes it very hard for the opponent to penetrate into final area.
maybe a DM and two central players are a better option, maybe dialing down the WB is an option too.
maybe WB(S/D) and an attacking MC like a mezzala or MC(A) and a DLF(S) could help to bring more out of the shape.Brilliant insight, thank you! I'll do some tinkering and get back to you with the results.
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After six successive clean sheets (granted against lesser opponents, an intra-squad friendly, and a testimonial match) in pre-season I thought I'd finally cracked it, but five games into the actual season I'm sitting 14th with one win (1-0 vs Brighton), three losses, including back-to-back 2-3 to Villa and Forest, and a draw (1-1 vs Everton). Initially I wanted to have a W - At on the right, but Olise has a long-term injury and Ayew is 45 years old so I pinched an idea I saw on another thread. (I'll edit in credit once I remember whose idea it was.) I think the tactic itself is on the cusp of being affective, but any insight into where the problems lie or any tweaks you think beneficial would be appreciated.
Team Analytics (Suggestions welcome)
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Squad (View courtesy of @ultrAslan)
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21 hours ago, bababooey said:
Relatively new to creating my own tactics so I'm still wrapping my head around roles and duties, but I wanted to ask why you chose W - At on one side and W - Su on the other. Tactical decision, personnel decision, or something I'm missing?
16 hours ago, Cloud9 said:Will then use TI combos / role changes in matches themselves to change things up when the original plan isn't working.
Do you play with comprehensive highlights?
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38 minutes ago, Fox-7- said:
I would modify it with a W(a) on one side with a FB(s) behind it and a Mez(a) on the CM of the opposite side with a DW(s) or a WM(s) next to it
In TIs I would start by setting the tempo to Slightly higher and removing Prevent short GK distribution
I'll keep this in mind when creating my tactics in my real save, potentially with Palace.
39 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:Well you did use AI to create your tactic without putting any actual effort into thinking of role combinations and instructions that actually work well together in a Defence-First tactic.
The roles AI proposed are too predictable. There is also not a lot of tactical variety and almost nonexistent goal-scoring threat. It's a just a tactic that defends passively for the sake of defending. But guess effort put in equals results reaped.
You hit the nail on the head there. 6 goals scored, the fewest in the league, no in-game tweaks, minimal effort or consideration, not sure why I expected anything more than bottom. Lack of sleep does that.
If anything this absolute failure has given me even more of an incentive to create my own tactic with the help of those in this thread.
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I thought I'd try something different before doing my own save and told ChatGPT to create a "defence-minded tactic" and this is what it cooked up. Let's see how this goes!
QuoteThis setup focuses on maintaining a solid defensive shape, with a deep defensive line and narrow width to limit space for opponents to exploit. The defensive midfielder provides extra cover in front of the defense, while the fullbacks stay back to provide additional defensive support.
On the counter-attack, the team looks to exploit any spaces left by the opposition, with the goalkeeper distributing quickly to the fullbacks to initiate attacks. The overall aim is to remain compact and disciplined, frustrating opponents and looking for opportunities to hit them on the break. Adjustments can be made based on the strengths and weaknesses of your players and the specific tactics of your opponents.
Update: Simulated the first 10 games of the season to see how the tactic would fare and it's not looking good to say the least.
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On 01/05/2024 at 06:03, Duracellio said:
Hi Bill, sorry for the delay in replying. It's been crazy lately.
I'd say there's a few tools the game provide you. The average values of your team compared to the league, that would give you an idea where you stand, the media expectation, or season preview is also a good indicator, the reports you'll get from scouting your next opponents will reveal a lot of the players stats, you can compare by position for example or to keep it simply by starting 11 vs starting 11.
I think once you get emerged into your "world" you get to know every team in your league and end up knowing their players, who's better than you, who's not, and who's at your level.
Great tips, thank you! Now to stick with a save long enough to receive scouting reports.
On 01/05/2024 at 07:38, HanziZoloman said:After doing it game by game, I am getting into that „world“ and it pays off. I am now fighting for Promotion with the same team and players. That’s great work, thank you
This has struck a chord with me, the thought of getting into my own "world" and finally seeing the pay off is enticing. But where to start?
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On 22/04/2024 at 17:19, Duracellio said:
It can help a lot if you organize the opponents into 3 categories: 1-low difficulty, 2-medium difficulty, 3 high difficulty opponents, then according to those levels you can adapt your preparation detail.
Brilliant write up, definitely taught me a lot, but I want to ask how you would categorise each team? What would you look for to determine a low difficulty team from a medium difficulty team?
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Recently started playing FM again after a long absence and this is right up my alley. One question: does this require any Opposition Instructions?
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@toshimitzou1 You've inspired me to start a journeyman save.
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3 hours ago, KlaaZ said:
Jung hasn't score ever since he signed a new deal, and I'm starting to regret giving him that contract extension.
The Aubameyang effect. A heartbreaking end to an otherwise incredible first season in the top flight. What are your targets for next season?
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Well done on promotion. Loving this.
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I can't wait for this. 23x Bundesliga champions
What made you tinker with your tactics after three successive wins?
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The 'Irish Mitrović'
What a turnaround! Here's to a strong finish to the end of the season.
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That's gutting. At least you have a positive GD.
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Following closely!
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I made an account solely to tell you how much I've enjoyed following along. You've inspired me to try something similar. Here for the Milan three-peat.
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Brilliant so far! Followed this topic in a heartbeat.
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How do you outsmart Ancelotti's Real Madrid now with new Mbappé?
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Very easy choices. Plus, I wouldn't worry too much about Madrid if I were in your shoes, tough promotion fixtures vs Leeds and Sunderland should be your main concern.