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Thanks mate.

Just thought it would be interesting, wouldn't be a lot of need for any of those clubs if there was other clubs (especially non-ethnic ones) entrenched in those cities.

In the top 3 leagues, yeah. I had considered a couple but settled on just the one.

I'll have to have a look into this, it didn't happen in any of my testing - possibly I've got the wrong region set for them.

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Victoria The Melbourne Football Club was founded in the weeks after the cricketers started playing football in 1858, and over the next two decades the Geelong(1859), Bendigo(1861), Warrnambool(1861), Carlton(1864), St Kilda(1873), South Melbourne(1874), Port Melbourne(1874), Hotham(1877) & Footscray(1877) clubs were formed. This was followed by North Ballarat in 1882, and Collingwood in 1892. These clubs remained at the forefront of Victorian football through to the end of WW2 with very little change - aside from Hotham changing their name to Hotham Thistle in 1908 to acknowledge the Scottish influence in their playing ranks. The aftermath of WW2 changed things quite dramatically with a huge influx of migrants from Europe - all who loved football and quickly adopted the local clubs as their own. The Italians in the northern suburbs found Carlton & Collingwood (with the later adding Juventus to their name when the Italian community bailed them out of financial difficulties in the 80’s), the Greeks found South Melbourne (adding Hellas to their name in homage), the Czeckoslovakians found Port Melbourne (adding Slavia) and the Serbians found Footscray (adding JUST). In addition - the Croatians formed their own club in Sunshine - Sunshine Croatia; and the Hungarians founded Melbourne Hungaria who moved all over the city before settling in Wyndham in 2010 and becoming West Melbourne Hungaria. Like Hungaria, St Kilda struggled to maintain a stable home ground and in 2003 moved to a new facility in Casey, & stadium in Dandenong, to become the South East Saints. New South Wales The Sydney “Original Big 3” were all founded in the 1880’s. Wanderers in Parramatta in 1880, Pyrmont Rangers in 1884 & Caledonians in Moore Park in 1885. Separately two clubs - Newcastle Rosebud (1889) & Wallsend (1887) - were formed in the Newcastle area. These 5 clubs dominated NSW football before & through the World Wars. Canterbury-Bankstown (1886), St George (1920) and Sutherland (1936) were all founded during this period also. Like Victoria, the aftermath of WW2 dramatically changed the landscape - however NSW saw migrants mainly create their own clubs rather than supporting the incumbents (the exception being the Hungarian community & St George) - Hakoah Sydney (Jewish - 1939), Sydney United (Croatian - 1956), Sydney Olympic (Greek - 1958) and Marconi (Italian - 1960) are the examples of this. In 1966, Canterbury-Bankstown moved to Penrith and became the West Sydney Berries, and, after years of being nomadic, the Pyrmont Rangers became simply Rangers AFC and moved to Campbelltown in 1983. Sydney Olympic capitalised on the actual Olympics in 2000 and moved to the Olympic Stadium in 2001 - immediately doubling their attendances. 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The Darwin Cubs that were founded in 1995, and Canberra United who were founded in 1977. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ League Summary Australian Premier League - 18 teams (3 relegated) Australian National League 1 - 18 teams (2 auto promoted, 3-6 into playoff/3 relegated) Australian National League 2 - 18 teams (2 auto promoted, 3-6 into playoff/4 relegated) Regional Premier Leagues (4 leagues - NSW/ACT, VIC/TAS, QLD/NT, WA/SA) (1 promoted from each, 2 relegated from each) Federation Cup - approx 450 teams, knock out tournament Victorian State Championship - 20 teams, 4 groups of 5 into 8 team knockout NSW State Championship - 30 teams, 6 groups of 5 into 8 team knockout Queensland State Championship - 20 teams, 4 groups of 5 into 8 team knockout SA State Championship - 12 teams, 2 groups of 6 into 4 team knockout WA State Championship - 12 teams, 2 groups of 6 into 4 team knockout Tasmania State Championship - 8 teams, 2 groups of 4 into 2 team knockout Territories Cup (ACT/NT) - 8 teams, 2 groups of 4 into 2 team knockout Use "Early 2023 Pre-Season" as your start date to ensure you get to play full state championship in first season. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ I hope you enjoy, it's been really fun to make. I have updated a lot of players histories and attempted to remove all reference to current A-League clubs and histories however so remnants remain - I hope you can look past this Have made graphics etc and will look to upload these elsewhere. Aus Alt.fmf

Same with the Australia Cup having the wrong teams.

Have finally updated this now that I have my new computer - link is still valid in opening post

Yep, I think I'll have to do some tweaking. Just waiting on a new laptop to arrive and I'll be making some tweaks :)

Link updated - have updated some 2nd div squads and contracts.

Should work now, otherwise try here.

AUSTRALIAN SOKKAH: AN ALTERNATE HISTORY What if the Socceroos qualified for the World Cup in 1998 and the NSL never disbanded? What if Australia never left Oceania? Well, this fantastic book has been written with an alternate history of the game in Australia - https://www.fairplaypublishing.com.au/products/the-yawning-giant-a-sliding-doors-football-tale. Taking inspiration from the book I have created an Alternate Soccer Timeline for Australia - one where Danny Townsend can't sell the Grand Final from under the fans and one that seemingly has a brighter future. I'd suggest you buy and read the book for greater context - but even if you don't, I hope the database provides lots of fun. What's included - • National Soccer League with 16 teams • National Second Division with 14 teams • National Youth League (u20) • Promotion and Relegation • Australia Cup • Revamped Oceania Champions League • Australia in Oceania comps - not Asia • History update for players, clubs and comps to reflect all the above (should be little to no trace of the A-League clubs that "never existed" in this timeline) • Stadium Updates to reflect the alternate history • Logos & Kits (highly recommend to use so everything in game looks right - I've over-written some A-League clubs so their licenced logos/kits will show without applying these). DOWNLOAD I encourage any feedback - good or bad Nick

This one doesn't appear to have been fixed for the full release, still happening.

In real life the semis are 2 legs. Also, the "other" finals tournament determines who qualifies for the Australia Cup, 9th plays 12th and 10th plays 11th with the two losers not participating in the next season's Australia cup.

It's been noted in the League Specific Issues section and is on the known issues apparently.

Thanks for replying mate. Hopefully something can get fixed.