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No help? Or not possible?
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What i saw in this video uploaded is very interesting. But, I’m curious, is it really possible to replicate this setup in FM 23 with OI’s? If not possible, what’s the alternative or closest setup to press and trap oppositions like this?. I’m assuming the formation used in this setup can be implemented in a 4231 or 433
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23 hours ago, Finners said:
In my experience, the best way to get a wide player scoring goals is to build up as much as possible on the opposite side of the pitch.
You want to overload the right so that you drag the opposition that way and then when the ball is crossed or switched he's in space.
You kinda have the opposite. You've got your play maker on the left, you've got a wing back on the left, you've got an inverted right back on the right cutting towards the left, an inverted winger on the right cutting towards the left. Your whole team is drifting towards the left side of the park so everyone's going to be bunching up around Rashford and closing the space. You want to flip it and stretch the game the other way.
I'd have maybe Fernandes as a mezzala on an attack duty on the right side coupled with a right footer like Sancho as a winger over there on a support duty, back it up with Dalot maybe also as a full back on an attack duty over there. Really make your right hand side quite aggressive and attacking. On the left I'd probably just have a vanilla CM and full back both on support duties.
I'd definitely move someone out of the AMC position and really encourage your central striker to properly drop in. Be careful of the DLF. Remember that despite it's name, it has Moves In To Channels as part of it's hard coded instructions and that it'll often be looking to move in to the same spaces as Rashford, just from deeper. If you swap it out for a False 9 that'll typically look to do the opposite, it'll start higher up and move deeper away from the centre backs hopefully bringing them with.
All of this is about trying to get Rashford in to as much space as possible on his own out on that side. A good guide for you, although it's a few years old now, might be the Hammer & Anvil guide that I think is floating around that might actually, if memory serves, have been about Rashford.
https://dictatethegame.com/young-devils-creating-overloads-2-0/
I always found the Enganche to be a waste of time in that system and always ended up making my own adjustments but the fundamentals it talks about in terms of creating overloads one side to switch to the other look like they'd be important to you.
TLDR: Instead of focusing on the left to feed the left - focus on the RIGHT to feed the left.
Interesting view…
Totally, want i’d want. But, that means he’ll be less involved in building up in the final third…right?
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9 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:
Just mapping it out in my head, he should have the LCM and left CWB in support of him. You could go full on and try a F(9) or CF(S) with the idea they take defenders away from goal
Without seeing the full tactic, it's hard to tell
Maybe being top heavy is clogging up things for him? A 4-3-3 DM might be worth a try
This is the tactic
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6 hours ago, bosque said:
I second this. Is hard to see an IF being the primary goalscorer in a 4231. I think that formation works better when you want your number 9 to be your main star.
Thats an interesting point.
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3 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:
Try it out and see @awesomeveekthor
That left side looks well set up for it, you could maybe lose the RPM and focus down the right
Ive tried it… the IF mainly gets isolated. To be point he turns creator due to bodies all over him. Well, its a win win, but the DLF gets more halfcut/cleancut chances than the IF
53 minutes ago, deorvd said:I predict is that there'll be many long shots and less chances created since IF the only one who's running into the box. Let's see how it goes
You totally right. So what are your suggestions man.
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So, I’m thinking of creating a tactic with using the 4231 formation. I wanna create a system that builds up with a 3-2-5 shape. (Sort of like how Manutd play/Ten Hag)And also i want the IF on the left to be my main goalscorer(Rashford). Please id really love u people’s help. If u want further info, I’ll provide.
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On 28/01/2023 at 14:56, (sic) said:
I'm not sure whether I'd use a 4-2-3-1, or a 4-1-2-3 (4-3-3), as those also change often. I really dislike the 4-2-3-1 (both with DMs and CMs) in FM23, as the AM, even on Support duty is often placed right on top of the striker in a lot of situations, and he would often go to the side of the striker to from a front 2. And that's on support duty.
@(sic) i know this is really late man, but what would u suggest the formation to use?
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17 hours ago, Poison said:
That's a cwb on support I think?
Yes
but i want him always to be narrow in the buildup phase
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4 hours ago, vrig said:
I guess you could play 2 DMs. Why do you want to do this? Seems an odd stipulation to want IWBs to overlap but without using overlaps.
Unpredictability
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4 hours ago, crusadertsar said:
The only way to make IWB overlap in my experience is to play then in a narrow formation with no wingers such as Narrow Diamond or 4-3-1-2
True. cause someone must hold the width and by default, the IWB will do that
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5 hours ago, CARRERA said:
IWB‘s do overlap occasionally if other players do occupy the space inside like wide players who cut inside would do.
However, if you look for overlaps as a consistent part of your game, then better use a WB or CWB. The IWB Role will always look for an underlap whenever possible.
Interesting. I just want an unpredictable attacking movement from my IWB. Want him sometimes to underlap and overlap without increasing his mentality with the “overlap” instruction. Thanks…
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How can i make my IWB to overlap without the overlap instruction. What roles and duties around him or PI will make him make overlapping runs.
This is in a 4231/433 system
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On 04/01/2023 at 12:28, crusadertsar said:
Pressing Forward on Support can easily be a focal point of attack. It is a great role because it is so versatile kind like Complete Forward but without all the risky dribbling. It often drops deep to help out the midfield and it's individual mentality is still high enough to have an impact in attack. Especially if you have a player with high Workrate, Teamwork and Stamina.
For example I am currently managing Braga and Vitinha is my top goalscorer and I exclusively play him in PF(s) role. It is exactly for the reason that I need a player that does not move into channels and holds up the ball. Its a great role for that. But it does depend greatly on the kind of player you have and the overall tactical system. I am using a narrow 4-2-2-2 Brazilian Magic Box tactic.
Here is the tactic that is getting the best of my PF(S)
And the player. He scored 19 goals so far in late January of my first season with the tactic
So the player attributes, ability and creative supports behind him is the key huh?
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36 minutes ago, zZzZzZzZzZzZzZz said:
Have you considered simply using a PF-a with the "does not move into channels" trait instead?
The PF-a has move into channels hardcoded into his player instructions. And that is something i dont.
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Heyy guys… how can i can make it possible? creators on support roles behind him? team instructions? or does training PPMs like “get forward possible”, “get into opposition box” make it possibe?
The reason why i made him on support duties is that i dont want him to move into the channels as i have two players that are doing it. I want him to pin the opposition’s defenders, be involved in build up and most importantly, press tenaciously.
i need help from the community 😞
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Like how the title says, how can i can make it possible? creators on support roles behind him? team instructions? or does training PPMs like “get forward possible”, “get into opposition box” make it possibe?
The reason why i made him on support duties is that i dont want him to move into the channels as i have two players that are doing it. I want him to pin the opposition’s defenders, be involved in build up and most importantly, press tenaciously.
i need help from the community 😞
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Okay…I’ll work on it…
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I watch mancity beat liverpool compact press by baiting them with a 4-2-4 structure. I wanna sort of recreate in FM. How can i do it?
Here’s the reference:
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1 hour ago, -Jef- said:
I haven't fully tested it yet but mid block or even low block with higher defensive line could work to tighten the space that opponent will have. Funnel them inside and drop more could work to avoid those pesky over the top balls.
Also, DLF-s drops deeper than on last fm and if you can I'd use CF-S or F9.
Another thing with reworked inside winger/forward roles actually hugging the line is that they could be viable now as Pep style wingers with stay wider.
I need to workshop this a bit more
Let me know what u observed after you lab this tactic man😌
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11 hours ago, -Jef- said:
it works well this year as well
my wingers are not dynamic enough so they were very tired.
I think defensively it needs to dial back unless you've got extremely physical side
Yeah true. Cause they have to get up the final third, press and if they fail, they have to go back to the ML strata and work together with the CMs and press to collect the ball. It really is a tasking tactic, but i still love it.
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1 hour ago, -Jef- said:
Just stay wider. I'm gonna try this in fm23 tho I don't have natural LM and RM
Interesting…seems to recreate Pep true style, 4-1-4-1 is the one for it
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On 28/04/2022 at 19:39, -Jef- said:
One of the actions from last game with my newest attempt at Pep City type of ball. Also first game with this tactic. DLF has roam more, WM on both sides have stay wider. That's all PI
If no one will credit you for ur style. I will. Your WM, what were the instructions?
i also suggest adding underlap instructions on both sides and increasing the mentality of the MEZ and DLF
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Pressing Strategies and Traps like Ten Hag
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From the looks of it, seems Ajax ST, Wingers and FB’s close down more often than the midfield 3 as they employ man marking on the their opponents.
Do u think using the TI “press more often” and setting PI on my midfield 3 to “close down less often” a good idea?
or should i just set PI to just “mark tighter”?