Tomijssel

To give an insight in the issue that I'm encountering with the Eerste Klasse <-> Tweede Klasse PR playoff: The RP Playoffs between the Eerste Klasse and Tweede Klasse is based on what I could figure out on geographical districts: Noord - 18 teams Oost - 15 teams Zuid I - 18 teams Zuid II - 9 teams West I - 18 teams West II - 12 teams none of those RP playoffs have an even number of teams that are easy turn into a singe Elimination tournament. Lets take Zuid II for example, it has 9 teams: Nederlandse Eerste klasse F Nederlandse Tweede klasse Zondag E Nederlandse Tweede klasse Zondag F The KNVB regulation for Zuid II (promotie-degradatie-regeling-mannen-senioren-zuid2-2023-2024 (knvb.nl)) states that: "De nummers 9 t/m 11 zijn herkanser en spelen samen met de periodekampioenen van de 2e klassen E en F voor twee plaatsen in de 1e klasse volgens een nog vast te stellen schema voor twee plaatsen in de 1e klasse." So 9 teams will play in a (I'd assume a singe Elimination tournament) for 2 final games. So far I did not manage to figure out a way to make a working singe Elimination tournament based on an odd number of teams. Due do the odd number of Teams I have to give an X amount of Teams a bye for the first round and give them a spot in the second round. Seeding can help with this, but so far I yet have to find a way to make it work!

Database for FM24 is (so far) ready. Manage to make it playable for FM24. So I'd decided to release an initial version for whoever wants to test is and for whoever does not case about small missing things in the database set!

first and foremost a shoutout to the original creators of this database:See the last year thread for the FM23 database: The biggest change this year is a 'revamp' from the KNVB regarding the structure of the Eerste Klasse and Tweede Klasse. The Relegation / Promotion playoff between the Derde Divisie and Eerste Klasse should be adjusted to the new changes. The Relegation / Promotion playoff between the Eerste Klasse and Tweede Klasse is working, but not in the way the KNVB has it in mind. I spent a lot of time trying to setup RP playoff between both klasses the way the KNVB has it planned, but due to the uneven amount of teams that would be active in a RP playoff (And me still trying to figure out how the seeding system works) it became quite task to tackle. further (minor) changes are but not limited to: Deleted some obsolete database changes; Tweaked some clubs by adding them to their corresponding Districtbeker region; Tweaked some clubs by adding them to the Dutch Lower Leagues; Tweaked some clubs by adding missing 'stadiums' - In this case some amateur clubs were missing their 'sportparken'; Changed fixture rules for a variety of leagues; Changed settings for a variety leagues (playoff for promotion / relegation etc) to only have Extra time and penalties if a match is undecided. Database is verified and in-game I cannot find any flaws so far, making me confident enough that is is not breaking the game. There is still some work left to do: Making sure that amateur teams affiliated to professional teams and B / jong teams that are active in the regular pyramid can't promote out of the Jack's League; tweaking the Jack's League (Tweede Divisie) to be Semi-Pro; Tweaking the Eerste Klasse Relegation / Promotion playoffs; Addition of U21 & U18 league; Addition of U21 & U18 Cup; Making sure SV De Meteoor has a Sportpark assigned to it (The current real-life on does not exist in the database) @Slabbekoorn provided me with a database file that included alot of other changes not mentioned above that I'd want to take a look at. Thank you for that! Nederland (D7).fmf

@wfm18 definitely! I'm committed to port the previous version to FM24. Due to work / personal reasons I sadly can't start with porting over to FM24 right after the release. Upcoming weekend I wanna start with working on it. I hope everything will go smoothly so i can hopefully release a test version somewhere next week.

@wfm18 Advanced rules settings can indeed throw the most funky error's withour giving any guidance. I'm far from having the skills and knowledge of the original creators of this database, but I managed to port this database over to FM23, check it out if you like!

Currently I'm running a 'Holiday testrun' up until 30-06-2029 so I can check if any other problems show up. If everything goes well with this run I'll release this database also on Steam so others can download it from the Workshop.

first and foremost a shoutout to the original creators of this database: See the following threads for the history of this database. Same as with FM22 I updated this database for FM23. Gameplay wise the biggest change in comparison to last year is the addition of the Eerste klasse Zaterdag F and removal of the Eerste Klasse Zondag F. In the Tweede Klasse some changes happened also, Tweede klasse Zaterdag K and Tweede klasse Zaterdag L got added, while Tweede klasse Zondag L got removed. This causes the Tweede klasse to have an odd number of leagues in it, which required some tweaking with the advanced rules to make it work. While the current advanced rules work flawlessly for relegations and promotion from and to the Vierde Divisie (Vierde Divisie having 4 divisions, Eerste Klasse having 11 divisions). The odd numbers of Eerste klasse and Tweede Klasse dvisions threw me all kinds of different errors during the database verification. For now I solved this by changing the Eerste klasse Zondag B direct relegation spots from 1 to 2. Still, it is not completely flawless. Some work is left on the lower divisions relegation rules. In preparation for next year's football pyramid overhaul, the KNVB included some 'aggresive' relegation rules for the lower divisions. Depending on the size of the divison either 2 or 3 direct relegations spots are allocated per division. The Eerste Klasse and Tweede klasse stil only have 1 (Eerste Klasse) and 2 (Tweede Klasse) direct relegations spots in this database. i'll try to add those new relegation rules in the upcoming weeks. But I yet lack the skills and the nessesary knowledge to fully understand the different kind of relegation settings within the Advanced rules. Some rework also needs to be done on the Hoofdklasse division names. Per this season the Hoofdklasse is renamed to the Vierde Divisie. further (minor) changes are but not limited to: Reworked some advanced rules regarding the Period systems to make it more simplified and managable; Changed the subsition rules from "3 from 12 " to "5 from 12 (max of 3 stoppages)" for regular competitions and "5 from 12 (max of 3 stoppages) + 1 Extra Time Sub" for cup and final related matches; Deleted some obsolete database changes, because some of the added changes were already in the base game.; Tweaked some clubs by adding them to their corresponding Districtbeker region; Tweaked some clubs by adding them to the Dutch Lower Leagues; Tweaked some clubs by adding missing 'stadiums' - In this case some amateur clubs were missing their 'sportparken'; Tweaked some cities by adding missing attributes; Database is verified and in-game I cannot find any flaws so far, making me confident enough that is is not breaking the game. Nederland (D7).fmf