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vor 5 Minuten schrieb Lesterfan_Cambiasso:
Theres really no need to be so aggressive when you post.
Im not sure tactical familiarity means "nothing", it might be a small part of a well designed tactic, but there would definitely be some effect against a team that well drilled and familiar with its playing style.
With your downloaded tactic, it would be the first competitive game using the tactic and many of your players will have only just returned from holiday.
Plus, my original point still remains.
You need to understand HOW the creator visualises defending and attacking, to understand what to do when the tactic isnt working or the opposition is using a specific threat against you.
I think youve got into a position where downloading tactics has left you not knowing what to change, or how the different elements of it work together to the desire of the person who created it.
And also bear in mind Guardiola is one of, if not THE best managers in the world, and he lost the community shield in real life. And against a poor Spurs team. And at home to Crystal Palace. And away to PSG. And in the Champions League final. And to Lyon the season before that. And so on.......
So maybe you need to temper your expectations a little too. You will lose sometimes.
What are you on about rambling again? I don't care what RDF tactics thinks, I downloaded the tactic since my own that are normally doing well seemed to do very bad. So I downloaded a supposed 106 points tactic and wow it didn't do any better. So when simulating the game about 50 times there should be a way and a tactic to win fairly against these and not lose 30 times, draw 15 and win 5 while getting smacked on xG and being lucky.
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vor einer Stunde schrieb CKBrahMa:
First of all, please chill out. We’re taking time to try to figure out things with you.
you asked for help with no screenshot, no tactics, no data. Maybe show us your tactic ?
you said you try everything, but you cant change your tactic and expect your players to play it properly right away : they need to learn it.
Regarding RDF’s tactic for Man City, it was published during the Beta, not after the release. Therefore, it is not odd that it didn’t work. Furthermore, his goal is to recreate a tactic, not a tactic that will crush FM match engine. And, to conclude, you can see, while he crushed the PL, he had poor results in both FA Cup and Carabao cup
As I said before the user called BustTheNet showed time and time again that tactical familarity means nothing so it's not an excuse. I can't show you a tactic since no matter what I do I get dominated. That's why I said load up a save with City quickly, use what's intuitive to you and look how it is against Leicester.
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vor 6 Stunden schrieb Lesterfan_Cambiasso:
If youre downloading someone elses tactic, how do you know
a) how its supposed to work, unless they explain every intricate detail of it
b) what the creator does to counter specific threats in games against specific opponents
c) what the creator does when things go wrong
You simply need to observe what the opposition is doing to you and devise a plan to stop this. If the plan fails, you lose the game.
You also need to devise a plan of how to win the game, and if your players carry it out, you win.
Are you unable to read or how do I understand this? I told you already I downloaded a tactic called 106 points Pep Guardiola MASTERCLASS or whatever because I felt stupid that whatever tactic I made up couldn't win with City against Leicester so I thought this should smack them but as it turns out it even does worse than mine. That's a thing.
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vor 2 Stunden schrieb Lesterfan_Cambiasso:
This kind of thread always comes up.
I used to subscribe to the theory games were impossible to win, but I dont think they are. You just need to take the defeat on the chin, learn from it, and come back next time having analysed what went wrong and how you can stop it.
You cant build a tactic that wins every game without you doing anything, unless youre using a cheesy exploit type tactic which makes the game irrelevant playing, as then its not like football.
I am not on about that, but when replaying a game 50 times something should work, but every tactic imaginable gets you dominated af, that's why I even downloaded the so called RDF Tactics Man City 106 points tactic but with that got completely dominated as well.
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I started a new save with Man City about three times now because I only wanted to chill a bit, play around with IWB and other Pep systems, but this makes me go so crazy, the Community Shield against Leicester. I tried every style of tactic and played it about 50 times now and only about 3 times I won in regular time but always with luck and getting even xG at best. Losing about 30 times, sometimes 4-1, 5-2, bs like that. Everytime Vardy runs behind my line I can't do **** about it, they win every battle in midfield get every highlight? How's that possible? Can somebody set up a save or smth and tell me with which tactic you can dominate them and win? I have no idea and feel completely stupid even though I am a very good player overperforming in every save normally.
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vor 4 Minuten schrieb g4ddy79:
There was an analysis on Sky Sports news and was intrigued to imply it. They described it that Bruno and Sancho would play the roles and how much ground they would have to cover
Do you see Bruno defending as LM? I doubt it. I don't know what they said their but it's definitely not what you will see in FM when you put these in the AMCR/AMCL position.
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vor 2 Stunden schrieb g4ddy79:
I’m going to try the 2 player’s on am strata on attacking midfielders. Player instructions to get them wide and see from there.
without the ball they have to tuck in to play that 4222 box. Setting them as inside forward or inverted wingers doesn’t work. No player instructions to run wide with ball, can get them to sit wider.
i will experiment and see
maybe mezala on mc strata is an option.
I will try that and monitor if they position wide when having the ball
they always defended as 4-4-2 or 4-2-4 not a narrow box, I don't know where you get this from. But he'll rather play 4-3-1-2 which you could somewhat see against Chelsea only with McTominay slotting in to the 5 to help against the Wing-Back runs. But it's hard to judge how much was Carrick and how much he told him to do. But I doubt it will be 4-2-2-2 as Bruno would be wasted and Rangnick saw that it doesn't work against parkes busses in 2015 and 2018 and they only play bad teams until like February.
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I don't know what is going on here honestly and decided to log in to try help a bit.
Generally if you play with Everton it should be possible to push for Top 6 and by 2025 should be established in Top 4 maybe challenging for the trophies with some luck. Generally I'd say you can't use one tactic in the PL and expect it to work wonders, I'd say you need at least 2 set-ups to be able to react to opponents and here that would be one system where you play against weaker and similar teams at home and one against better teams and similar teams away for example. You shouldn't start by using Regroup and Lower Line against everyone, in general lower line can be dangerous if you don't have the right players and get you destroyed by the big teams.
If you upload the save I could maybe look and develop a 4-3-3 for both situations, or I'll post some ideas tomorrow so you can see what I mean.
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24 minutes ago, FrazT said:
You wanted to bet that nobody would answer to the thread- I linked you to the post that clarifies the current situation.
Cool, so it's a fact nobody of the actually relevant people will answer on why this even happens and it's almost certain this won't get fixed.
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I just noticed I didn't even upload the tactics I used winning all the games when using them.
This was the normal tactic for most games.
This tactic I used to beat Bayern and Dortmund (marking their FBs with my Wingers).
To address your problems... What have you done with your defensive corners? Remove guys from the posts and put your best 3-4 jumpers (depending on the Aerial Reach and Command Of Area of the Goalkeeper) in the last line and you shouldn't have big issues since I know you have a lot of tall players wih 16-17 jumping reach.
Tactically, yeah I can see why you have problems creating chances. I recently played with a ManCity tactic to find out what somebody was struggling with, with the current Man City squad, that was on Positive, Narrower, Work Ball Into Box, Shorter Passing, Play Out Of Defence and even though the tactic worked pretty well results wise you could sense that they have trouble to create good chances from open play. Now you go and use cautious mentality (that pulls down passing directness, tempo, lines, pressing, width pretty significant) and use a ton of possession instructions in addition to that, while using roles that are reliant on quick transitions like AF and wingers on attack. I'd guess you'll run into trouble defensively cuz you slowly build up, everybody moves forward with the wing backs pretty much arriving in the last line often and then one short pass gets intercepted and you have these demigod 2030 strikers with 18 Acc and Pace run at your CBs and the CM/D.
In general I wouldn't expect to be able to use one tactic for all games with a team like this, since you're still in between tiers, so you're not good enough that everybody will just sit back against you but easily good enough that most teams in the league won't attack you. So if you're not comfortable adapting in-game maybe build something like I did with one tactic for normal opponents and one when somebody throws everybody at you. Going more cautious will just lead to most teams being happy with a draw, where I don't see how you can get 10 points out of these matches, even though tha will be hard no matter what you try.
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On 14/07/2021 at 17:15, toon army 06 said:
Changed it to this after about 18 minutes vs Motherwell when 1 down, I went on to win 4-1.
This should be more sensible in general, I'd still like to know how this works when faced with a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 by a superior team in the CL.
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On 15/07/2021 at 03:10, FrazT said:
What does that mean? Do you not care that this gets fixed for FM22?
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Who wants to bet that nobody will even answer to this thread and this will still be in FM22 or even 23? What a shame that nobody even cares. Thought you cared about the game and would be able to fix such bugs.
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Use it at Parc des Princes then ask again, by 2027 you'll probably have a squad that'll smash everybody besides the Old Firm pretty much no matter what you do. Against strong teams playing 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 in the CL you could get overloaded on the wings pretty easy when they play WB, IF and MEZ on one side. I don't really understand why you'd use a FB/A as LB as though, in these narrow formations you desperately need the WBs to go forward and give you width or you'll be easily taken out of the game.
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14 minutes ago, zigaliro said:
Like Prolix mentioned i said we went on a 7 match losing streak and we dropped to 9th place. That was the reason.
Did the losing streak start at the beginning of the 2nd round of matches so January/February? That makes it very likely teams reacted to your good form and stopped giving you as much space so you had to focus more on creating chances yourself instead of exploiting space, which the 2nd tactic doesn't do very well as well.
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@Faukazet can you maybe upload your savegame with ManCity in January for example? Because I've just downloaded the tactic, loaded it up with Man City, did set pieces so they're not completely bad and holidayed til May and have 85 points after 33 games, FA Cup Final and they destroyed Bayern, Chelsea and Juve in the CL. So there's something you must be doing wrong in addition.
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Can the moderator please explain why every manager in Bundesliga switches his favorite formation to 4-2-3-1??? Even managers who have other formations like Jesse Marsch, Conte, Nagelsmann, Rose, Hütter, Robert Klauß, Conceicao start playing boring 4-2-3-1 in 2030 you play 4-2-3-1 in 30+ games in the league, it's very very boring, why is this not fixed, it was in FM20 as well. This is mostly in Bundesliga but also in other leagues. But Bundesliga it's the worst, I play until 2030 and everybody plays 4-2-3-1 even though they even have managers who use other formations in real life.
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16 hours ago, trueblue9877 said:
What I mean is that for 2/rds of a season you will be winning and the tactic will work fine but when you hit March you will just start losing.
What has this to do with IF? This more has to do that all your tactic is hope for long balls into an AF or IF and when teams start taking you seriously they don't give you the space to run into anymore.
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Thankfully in FM21 mostly you can't just put in a tactic and win every game, if you don't create anything against bad teams for example, you need to try something like maybe higher tempo or switch a role or duty, not run the game down and be surprised that nothing changed.
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2 minutes ago, FrazT said:
You can disagree with another user without resorting to insults, so just cut out the bickering guys, or infractions will follow- last and only warning.
You can't disagree on facts so how is he insulting me based on wrong facts okay?
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2 minutes ago, Daveincid said:
editing international competitions-rules is difficult and sometimes even impossible because they are hardcoded. I might try it but it's not my main focus at the moment.
thank you but i dont know what could be more important since all the good files are useless if you cant start a new realistic save because of this away goals rule.
this guy on editing forum says it's very easy but I have no idea how to handle the editor so I thought somebody like you who does very complicated stuff could do this within 5 minutes like how this guy is talking.
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Here is the proof even from UEFA website
"Since away goals would no longer be given additional weight to decide a tie, they would also be removed from the criteria used to determine the rankings when two or more teams are equal on points in the group stage i.e. the criteria applied to matches played by the teams in question. They would not be removed from the additional criteria applied to all group matches if the teams remain equal (higher number of away goals scored in all group matches), in order to retain a maximum number of sporting criteria."
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1 minute ago, Daveincid said:
If it's not written somewhere then it's not included
yes so I'm asking you if you do something like this since its not realistic to do save without it
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Can the moderator @Dan Ormsbyplease explain why every manager in Bundesliga switches his favorite formation to 4-2-3-1??? Even managers who have other formations like Jesse Marsch, Conte, Nagelsmann, Rose, Hütter start playing boring 4-2-3-1 in 2030 you play 4-2-3-1 in 30+ games in the league, it's very very boring, why is this not fixed, it was in FM20 as well.
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Games that are impossible to win?
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Lol the only one rude is you typing in all caps.