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What is his acceleration? It is blocked by a tooltip in the screenshot.
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Basically, do they function as normal?
I want to maximize the effectiveness of my recruitment which means scouring all the countries in the world, not just those with leagues loaded. In particular I am interested in youth recruitment and scouting knowledge affiliates, but I am worried that they simply will not function since, normally, these clubs don't seem to have a full youth intake. Will the simulation compensate or should I stick to affiliates in leagues that are loaded?
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Well, I've just been screwed over by the tournament proper. 5 players called up for the Olympics, nothing I can do about it. To make matters worse 4 out of the 5 are key players who have already played in either the Euros or the Copa America this summer. If they come back jaded, hurt or unfit I am in deep trouble.
And to think, my preparations for the season opener against Liverpool are going to be disrupted by a u-23 tournament. The game may as well tell me that my players were abducted by aliens, that would be less bizarre.
Edit: should I just try and mod the Olympics out of the game or something?
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In certain situations you can threaten to resign if you don't get your way, though I don't know how effective it is since I never had the guts to try it.
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So my first choice, but soon to be second choice goalkeeper demanded a new contract. I made the obviously false claim that the club could not afford to offer him a new contract and now, in spite of his threatening language, he is "thrilled" and his agent is "agreeable."
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Hello friends, I am playing as Norwich City and am trying to improve my coaching staff in the offseason. Currently the guy on the right coaches possession - tactical for me, which is currently my lowest rated coaching category at 4 stars. He is a decent coach, but is let down by his inability to provide motivation. I'm leaning towards replacing him with the guy one the left, but I'm having trouble making a decision.
Are the important coaching attributes weighted differently or are they of equal value? Does a higher rating in the "motivating" attribute make the coach on the left superior?
Also, my team is very young so "working with youngsters" is definitely relevant.
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In my experience, maintaining a good run of form is one of the hardest things to do in this game. I'm fine with this, as in real life, it's what separates the champions from the merely talented. The main trouble I have with this is that it is weirdly difficult to gauge the mood of your team. You can gain valuable clues if you pay close attention to the pre match player reactions and just to the manner in which they play once the game starts, but there is a lot of guesswork, a lot of trial and error.
The gist of it is that there is a point in every good run of form where you have to crank up the pressure and demand more from your players, although if you do it too early you can unnerve them.
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This happened to me a while ago and it was, not coincidentally, the moment when I decided to reduce the DoF's duties. These days I only delegate the most minor tasks to him and use him as an extra scout.
As for why, I always assumed that the DoF is just second guessing the player's judgment when he cancels a deal like this. You can't really trust your staff to make decisions with any autonomy because they make very, very weird assumptions, like "we really don't need more than one center back do we?"
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So, lately, I've been more diligent than usual when it comes to not letting my players' contracts run down too much, the problem is that I accidentally promised my second choice striker "important player" minutes when I meant to give him "regular starter" minutes.
He's played a lot of minutes this season, so this is a problem that I can ignore for a little while at least, but I am going to have to deal with it at some point. If I reduce his minutes he will be understandably pissed off and his teammates might support him.
I could dump him, but I don't want to because he has improved massively in recent times and I'm not sure how high his potential is.
I don't want to make him first choice either, because he is kind of an odd player attribute wise and doesn't fit my system as well as the other guy, who by the way has scored hattricks on three separate occasions despite missing half the season due to injury.
I could try to alter my tactics to accommodate both players playing at the same time, but I'm not quite sure how this would work even though, in theory, they compliment each other.
Basically, the ideal would be to reduce his minutes without him getting angry or to sell him at a very, very high price.
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So, I brought in a new left back in January, only to be informed immediately that he had been called up for Olympic qualifying, he got on a plane the next day, missed several important matches and came back unfit. Needless to say, this had a detrimental effect on my season, in fact it is one of the stupidest problems I have faced recently.
I mean seriously, Olympic qualifying. In real life teams are under no obligation to release players for the tournament, let alone the qualifiers, they tend not to release youth prospects let alone regular first team players, but bizarrely, in the world of Football Manager, the Colombian u-23 coach is all powerful and does whatever he wishes.
Has anyone else had this happen?
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You could also spam the "Teamwork" match preparation before matches. I find that it helps my players make fewer dumb and selfish decisions.
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Be very careful about relying on your assistant manager since he tends to mix good advice in with absolutely terrible advice. Honestly, sometimes I feel like he's trolling me, especially when he suggests that I make a fourth substitution.
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There have been a lot of times recently when I felt that my attacking players, strikers in particular, were too static and I had trouble understanding why, since the players in question have good attacking movement. Was it to do with work rate, aggression or is it just how the match engine works?
Then, I was looking at Raumdeuters when I noticed that concentration was a key attribute, which is unusual for an attacking role. Since the the role is defined by constant off the ball movement it follows that concentration is linked with off the ball movement.
That is when it occurred to me: what if my strikers aren't lazy what if they are just zoned out? Since I play a patient possession game I'm wondering if I should start looking for strikers with good concentration. Does anyone else have any insight on this subject?
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9 hours ago, BuryBlade said:
Do you feel better about selling him now then?
The way I play the game is I always have plenty of players on my shortlist so that if a bid like this comes in, I already have a few options to consider to replace them with.Definitely, I assumed he was going to improve a lot more. I even chose not to give him the trait "likes to round keeper" because I assumed his finishing would improve significantly.
I had visions of him coming back to haunt me later in the Champion's League, but now I might wait for his absurd contract to run down and try to sign him as a squad player.
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Sorry to bump this thread, but, oh my god, THEY LOAN LISTED HIM! I literally laughed out loud when I saw this.
They paid $260m for him in January and then loan listed him in July.
I wonder if the Barcelona AI is deliberately programmed to be incompetent to better reflect recent history. I'm joking of course, but the real explanation is just as funny. Barcelona must have assumed (as I did) that his potential was sky high, but when he hit age 22 a couple months after they signed him, it was revealed that he was at his full potential already, he isn't even a five star player for my team. To top it all off, his high wages mean that they will struggle even to loan him.
Edit: They are asking for 100% wage contributions, the delusional fools. I made an offer for 10% contribution and squad player minutes just out of spite.
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On 24/05/2021 at 16:06, IbrahimAliMaher said:
So you sold him for more than 10x what you paid for him three years later, and 3x his current value? No brainer really.
As good as he is, in order to fully realise that potential he has a way to go. His personality is not top drawer, so he would need mentoring/discipling to get the absolute most out of him which is not guaranteed. The money they paid for him is for a finished article player which he is not, just the desperation of the January transfer window.
Every player has their price at the end of the day. You didn't say how well your club is doing currently, though looks like you're in the CL so going reasonably well at least. I doubt you managed to improve the reputation of Norwich sufficiently so far to be on a par with the really big boys, so inevitable he would leave at some point. You just maximised his value and sold him to a non-rival team, so win-win.
I'm in the Europa league semi final right now. I qualified for this competition initially by winning the Europa Conference league. I'm in 6th place right now and in a close battle with Tottenham. Basically, I am at the point of trying to break into the English elite, my main problem so far has been finding consistent form.
I'm feeling a little better about my decision to sell, but I really can't afford to let any more stars go.
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13 hours ago, XaW said:
This is a tricky situation, because you kind of is in a position where your leadership will suffer no matter what you do. If you sell him, "you caved" according to your team, but if you don't, you've broken your word and thus the trust is gone. I think you did the right thing, the real answer will be when you find out if the replacement was good enough. Failure to bring in a player, not only as good, but also who works as good (or better) in your tactical setup. Both in FM and the real world, ability alone might not cut it.
I've often found myself using a poorer player since he just does better than the best one. Some time ago I had this striker who was not rated by the coaches, and his attributes were not great, but he often scored the winning goal whenever we struggled to win. I had several better strikers after a while, but no one could do it like Old Reliable. So I stuck with him until he was about 33 and his physicals had started to drop a bit too low. I was in the PL, and he was rated as a "decent league one" player still. I sold him to a Championship side for about a million pounds, and he didn't work there and drifted down the leagues from that point on. Still one of my favourite FM players of all time!
In theory the new guy fits my system a lot better. He is also a much better finisher, but the trade off is that he has much less pace, which matters in the Premier League since everyone seems to play a high line. The old striker could get in on goal with any mildly decent ball over the top; sometimes he'd collect the ball in his own half and score an absurd solo goal, but with the new guy, as good as he is, I feel like there is a lot of pressure on my creative players to provide more chances.
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So, I had an excellent young striker, which was nice, but also annoying because there was constant drama regarding his future. Loads of big clubs were interested in him, including Real Madrid, but I managed to see them all off.
Then, a year or two later, Barcelona became absolutely obsessed with him. It seemed like every week there was an article in which Barcelona expressed their desire to bring him in and he in turn talked about how desperate he was to join them. As soon as the January window opened up they pounced. The first bid was far too low and I rejected it with confidence, the second bid was much more generous, but I rejected that too, which caused the player to become unsettled. Almost all his teammates supported my decision and he continued to play well despite being pissed off, still I was a bit unnerved and when Barcelona kept spamming bids I decided to give them the "**** off number."
In earlier attempts to placate the player I had said that I would let him leave for $220m, but just to be extra safe I sent Barcelona a counter offer for $260m. In my save, prime Erling Haaland went to Man City for only $247m so I figured Barcelona would give up, but to my shock they shot back a non negotiable offer for $260m. I kind of felt I had to say yes, not only because I said I would let him go for a lesser sum, but also because that is a hell of a lot of money.
Of course, it threw my season into chaos. All the players who supported me before now became angry that I had backed down (they chilled out a bit when I promised to secure an excellent replacement) and the resulting mess basically got me knocked out of the FA cup and cost me an important Premier League home game against Tottenham.
His replacement has arrived and could end up being an excellent player, but I still feel like maybe I made the wrong decision. There was still a decent amount of time left on his contract, should I have gritted it out? What should I do the next time something like this happens?
EDIT: Now Barcelona is trying to sign Haaland for $226m WTF is going on?????
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14 minutes ago, CARRERA said:
Well, it’s a good trait if you are looking for more „creative freedom“ for that particular player in terms of tempo.
He will make his own choice wether it’s good to process play quickly or to hold up the ball and slow the game down.
This might be particular good if you want your team to vary in terms of the urgency of build-up play.
If you rely on tactical discipline and ask your players to follow your instructions (e.g. to transition quickly at all time), this trait might be counterproductive.
Hmmm.... I actually just remembered that Sandro Tonali has this trait and he played very well for me before Arsenal snapped him up.
I think I'm going to take the risk and have him learn the trait.
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So I recently brought in a new star midfielder whose best role is deep lying playmaker and I was, as usual, trying to decide what traits he should have. I settled on "comes deep to get ball" , but then the coach warned me the player's off the ball movement wasn't good enough. I wasn't sure about this, as it seems like sometimes the coaches can just be plain wrong, but rather than taking the risk I decided to look for a more suitable trait. The player seems to have the perfect attributes for the "dictates tempo" trait, but the problem is that I am afraid to give a player license to ignore my instructions. In particular I am afraid of him making smart decisions that are actually stupid like reducing tempo to a crawl to try and kill the game at 1-0 (my defense is rarely good enough to hold a one goal lead).
So, my questions are:
1. Am I correct in assuming that this player has the right attributes to make good use of the trait?
2. Do hidden attributes matter when it comes to this trait? In other words, if this player turns out to have low pressure is he going to sink my team in his panic?
3. Most importantly, what are the benefits of using this trait? I understand the basic theory of it and how it might work in real life, but can an FM player really have the judgment to switch tempo at the right times?
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I've been hurt by this rule a lot in my save, in fact I could almost make a full eleven with youth players whose transfers fell through. I wish I had a good answer for your question, but sadly I have yet to crack the code on this particular issue. If I had to guess the season ends on June 30th so July 2nd is probably the next season, but still that would only cause one of your transfers to fall through and not all six.
In my own save, I recently signed a player in the offseason only for the deal to be canceled because of the six player limit. I figured that the season somehow hadn't technically ended so I re-did the transfer (it ended up costing more annoyingly enough) for the end of the season, but then when the transfer went through I saw that it had been arranged for a year from now. It is such a pain in the ass because I like to get my transfer business done as quickly and efficiently as possible.
I'll figure it out eventually, but in the meantime, I am as careful as I can be. I avoid arranging transfers too far in advance because it is hard to keep track of and I don't really gamble on as many promising foreign youth players anymore. I don't want to take the risk of missing out on a truly excellent player because I signed someone who will spend the next four years out on loan in the lower leagues.
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6 hours ago, majesticeternity said:
@Outsider23 I love to see this type of posts, really cool to see you wanting to understand and learn, rather than the “I clicked option 3 and players got mad this is stupid” type posts. FM may not always make sense, but usually there is a story to be found.
Sporadic smiles pretty much covered it, but also remember the individual personalities, and leaders, and dynamics. A lot of the hidden attributes can effect player reactions, so learning a specific player is also useful. Talk to them, warn or praise, watch their normal body language, even perhaps their club moves, stat history, wage demands, and of course personality, media assessment and scout reports. All that can end up telling you how that player deals with important games, pressure from their coach, or a relaxed coach that doesn’t motivate them, etc. then look at the team as a whole. It’s often one reason people set up a “club DNA”, so that they create a group of like-minded, similar-reacting players, and it makes it easier to manage. Otherwise, your team talk/press conference might **** half the players off, but work with the other half.
@Sebmono I have no idea how FM16 compares to FM21, but they seem to have reduced the effects of team morale, more on individual player morale, and even if you have good dynamics, you can do ok until you get out of a rut/downturn.
there are also more hints this year than any other. You’ll see player reactions to your press conferences, team talks, player chats, etc.
To be honest I did initially have some doubts about whether the simulation was "honest" due in large part to bad experiences I had with dynamic difficulty in sports games I played in the past.
I feel a little weird admitting this, but I actually did informal experiments with save scumming to see if the results were predetermined. The reality I found was the complete opposite: very small changes resulted in radically different outcomes.
Since then I have been very interested in figuring out how these systems work.
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In my experience, the game doesn't really do a good job of consistently acknowledging when a defender has made a mistake.
I remember one game against Spurs, Dele Alli had lost the ball on a dribble attempt and I then watched helplessly as my midfielder calmly controlled the ball, dribbled towards his own goal and then lofted a perfect, head height ball to Harry Kane, who scored easily. I was wracking my brain trying to figure out what the hell happened when I noticed that the commentators were praising Alli for setting up the goal with no mention of a defensive error. This is the worst example I have seen, but it seems common for big errors to not be reflected in commentary or ratings, in fact, it seems like missed interceptions, fouls inside the box and own goals are the only errors that the consistently game picks up on. Of course, most goals conceded will be the result of more subtle mistakes and these are definitely not reflected in the ratings.
Sometimes I have noticed that defenders who have bad games can have higher ratings. Early in my save I had a center back who was good in the air and a good tackler but terrible playing out from the back. I quickly learned to distrust him and play him as little as possible, especially in the big games, but sometimes injuries or suspensions left me with little choice. Even though he was a complete liability, he always had good ratings. Eventually I figured out that he was essentially giving himself more work to do. He would receive the ball and immediately knock it right to an opposing player in a central area and would then save the day with a last ditch tackle, interception or clearance. He was basically damning me with one hand and saving me with the other except his errors always resulted in at least one goal. His "heroics" always earned him high ratings and sometimes, irritatingly enough, praise from journalists (I HATED getting leading questions about how amazing he was) .
I guess the TL;DR is that ratings should always be taken with a large grain of salt.
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16 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said:
In this case, maybe the warning against complacency was a mistake if they had not shown any signs of getting complacent during the winning run. Its a fine balance to make, typically I will warn against complacency only when I start to see it creep in. And usually not at all if we are overachieving unless it is obviously a problem.
Then I think demanding a win to a nervous room is a mistake. Better to have used something to motivate them (depends what was available to say), but this piles pressure on to a team clearly feeling the pressure already. I'm typically gentle with nervous teams, and will reassure them before matches and be lavish with my praise during and after the match if a player earned it.
The other thing to consider here is when the match took place and what is potentially at stake. Are you close towards the end of the season? Is it possible to qualify for something with a win? At this stage of the season you should look to take pressure off a team if they are doing better than expected (you can add pressure to teams expected to win if you know they will respond well, there is no "correct" way to do it).
Well, lesson learned I guess. I suppose in the future I will refrain from mindlessly talking down my team's chances. I started doing that because complacency was a real problem, but I suppose I have to learn to strike a balance.
The big game thing is a little bit unintuitive for me because in the Premier league and European competition every game is big. Perhaps the little media reports give you clues when a game is considered to be big.
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Is my Director of Football useless?
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I mainly use my DoF to handle contracts renewals for staff members and my less valuable youth prospects. Other than that he is just an extra (overpaid) scout.