Christmas

Hoyle again acting with later honours being his primary interest. Well played Celtic fans today. I much prefer that response to Dundee Utd's yesterday. Although I have absolutely no issue with the latter I probably wouldn't do it myself, although if anything could induce me to do it it would be the sectarianism of Ibrox

Queue romanticism is vile. Tories will be loving this whole thing.

If Beckham was a true patriot and an elite mourner he'd have waited until the queue was 30 hours and then joined. Joining at 12hrs a bit lefty woke in my view

Imagine queueing for 30 hours then ending up in the second row. Nightmare. The idea you have to be there to "pay respects" is a myth. As the verb itself That said, with a view to hypocrisy, I have been to see my dad's grave at least twice

Just empty faux patriotic platitudes then. Got you. I do agree people have the right to go and nod at are queen

Can you provide any explanation as to why its wonderful? I think people should be free to go if they want, but I struggle to see how one person's action one way or the other warrants admiration. My very personal view is that there is something a bit vain about going, and odd mix of nosiness coupled with a perceived fear of 'missing out on something big'. I find the concept that actually looking at the box is something big to have something of the emperor's new clothes about it. The world is my church, etc. Kind of feels like you've just copy and pasted a vapid Darren grimes tweet just to troll

That's what I proposed a few days ago and was met with angry suggestions both that he couldn't do so as he would have had no power, and that he couldn't do so as he must exercise no power. Sadly for Charles, this is too little too late in my book

Overreaction posts are difficult because now I'm overreacting to your overreacting, but in my view the true over reaction is shutting down the country, turning off supermarket beeps, queueing for a day to see a fetid box, and moaning about the skin colour of fictional dwarves. I don't see how raising questions about that collective, competitive, madness and questioning the objectively repugnant concept of monarchy or their entrenched systems of wealth retention is an overreaction, but that's perhaps subjective.

In a functioning country he wouldn't have been allowed in.

Are you not the same guy who argued dwarves couldn't be black cos they don't get sunlight for melanin? If so, this ridiculous post takes on further hilarity through the hypocrisy

Behavior of Rangers FC so tragically predictable. And no, I don't think the fans should be prevented from singing the English anthem if they want, although I agree with the uefa rule re an 'official' performance. They club though are just so smug about taunting everyone else about it

During the queen's funeral procession is absolutely not the time or place to issue redundancy notices to long serving members of staff. They should have done it 3-4 weeks later, when no one was watching, right?

I'm confused, was Tarquin Honeysuckle the woke leftist republican? Kind of a sign of the quality of arguments to come in my view

That's it Ochy - only permit protests where no-one can see them. How do Patel's boots taste? What if your man hauled away in Edinburgh had just had blank paper? There is actually massive support for protests in wider society, as shown by all kinds of polls and supports, even if not a full clear majority one way or the other. It isn't surprising that support isn't overwhelmingly present among those crowding to see a car that may or may not have a dead royal in it, or amongst you, a parochial tory.

No - just saying that road closures on your doorstep invalidate the 'wrong place' argument against protests, especially seeing as I've seen more arrests for non-obscenity protests, than the one singular sign with the F word on it.

No, but because the 'right place to protest' is outside their front door

Sad you've gone for the high school debate option of ignoring comment for some kind of personal non sequitur. Just as irrelevant as your comment but I lost my father suddenly in my teens. I imagine it's similar. Queen was 96. Are we allowed to discuss on equal footing again or do you have some other pointless issue to raise? Obviously we don't need to keep going and I'm boring myself banging my head against the UK smallminded wall but I can't stand that type of attempted faux mic drop You say we have no way of knowing whether what I've said is true, despite the fact its been the subject of endless articles over the last decade which mention clearly the queen's input - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_London_Bridge I'm quite convinced that protesting during a funeral procession isn't a pleasant time to do it form the mourner's perspective. I'm convinced that someone who travels out of their way to gatecrash a private ceremony is in the wrong. I'm yet to be convinced that someone going into their own local town centre to be hit with massive shutdowns and nonces and nonce protectors marching about can be said to be in the wrong place to protest.

I might as well copy and paste but how can 'the place' not be right in the severely disrupted centre of the place where people live? Totally different to Westboro or if people had gatecrashed the grounds of Balmoral or Buckingham Palace to protest. Public space =public space, and everything that comes with that. You can't (shouldn't be able to) pick and choose what public you hear, although obviously the police regrettably take a more Putinist view

I didn't grasp it previously because I didn't think that would actually be your argument. The plans for the arrangements following the queen's death will have been made years ago with input from the Queen and the royals. I trust that isn't disputed. So yes you are right that it's not like Lizzy died and Charles got on the blower demanding Edinburgh be shut down, but yes the Royal family absolutely did choose and want street parades and long national mourning periods. The FA and the football being off is obviously a different issue to what I was discussing, which was Akter and others' ridiculous idea that someone from Edinburgh wishing to express their views should have chosen somewhere other than a road closure on their ****ing doorstep to do it

That isn't the crux of the argument though is it, its just the bit you've found easiest to deal with. If the royal family didn't want protestor they shouldnt have tramped about in public. Yes they wanted the adulation, but you can't pick and choose. If it had been done somewhere else then my views would be quite different, a la Balmoral letterbox point

I'm sorry but if you live in Aberdeen or Edinburgh then you have had this forced on you as normal life has been ruined. It took my mother 1h30 to do the 25 minute drive to my 98 year old grandmother on Sunday night, because of needless road closures that should only have been happening around Buckingham palace. That may not be a conclusive argument against the closures happening - but it certainly is against the 'you shouldn't protest at a funeral' nonsense - the funeral / procession was right on everyone's doorsteps, to great inconvenience, over a prolonged period. That's the point. Doesn't matter if simpletons love it, it still deals with the 'dont protest here' authoritarian pish.

I'm not sure who you are intending to respond to but that mischaracterizes completely what I've said - which is solely that if he was to suggest maybe his old dear didn't want cancer patients dying in her name while the nation races itself to out-mourn itself then maybe some sense would return. Wouldn't mean he was ordering anything or exercising any power. The primary person it would help is him, and his tarnished image.

The "time and place" arguments and the comparisons with Westboro are completely wrong in this case, in my view. This isn't a funeral that someone has gone particularly out of their way to gatecrash and picket (although doing so ought to be both legal and completely and utterly distasteful), in contrast to Westboro. This is some privileged elite shutting down the entire country to march their way through the main public thoroughfares of primary city. Effectively forcing themselves and their state funeral on everyone. For me that completely changes the discussion on time and place and 'just dont do it at a funeral'. Just dont have a ****ing funeral in the middle of Edinburgh then. As for the blank piece of paper arrests, absolute failed state the UK is.

This has been a week of shame for the British societies but cancelling cancer care is a new low. What an opportunity for Charles to star this reign off by displaying decency and power by announcing that actually he'd rather thst type of thing not happen in his departed mother's name. Except he won't, because the lives of others won't cross his inbred little mind once

Should be assault charges for the two Quisling scum that attacked him. What a sad time for Scotland recent days have been. Just by dying she's started to cleave the place in two again. There must be parts of the Tory regime ****ing ecstatic the queen died in Scotland. Hopefully those views will prove to be just as short sighted as the American pro life lot (hopefully) has been for the voting trends in America.