[A story of a fish out of water (me trying a low tempo tactic when im usually Tempo to the MAX)]

9 hours ago, Cloud9 said:

If you want to run a double IWB I'd consider using a 4-2-3-1 so you're less exposed on turnovers. IWB(S) + IWB(A) is going to ship a lot of goals in a 4-3-3. 

Cheers I'll take that and give It a punt, I went back and most of our conceded where back post headers or worldies from 25-40 yards where my keeper has been extremely butter fingered so an extra body in that role may stop those distance shots at least!

[A story of a fish out of water (me trying a low tempo tactic when im usually Tempo to the MAX)]

Just a story of my day

I think I am about to get sacked for the first time this year, started a new save (unemployed) and ended up with Santa Eulalia in the Spanish Segunda Federacion (III) the team was not great but I was determined to try a low tempo system as im normally a scholar of the Klopp school of heavy metal football (a preference from real life not the meta choice) and despite loosing the 1st 3 games I was quite happy the team where playing well but just finding themselves unlucky or straight up out matched but we where getting into a rhythm and we hit a nice Yellow patch finally getting 2 points on the bored with 2 draws in games were we should of won but low moral and cohesion was clearly at play.

The date was 18/2/24 and we where at home against top of the table Andratx and the system clicked, with in 15mins we where 3-0 up and finished the game 5-2 our first win and in style, we then had a draw against 4th place Lleida Esportiu and rounded February out with 6 points and only 2 points off getting out of the relegation zone.

March has been the counter to this, 3 losses and not even much positive to see, my keepers (all 3) cant seem to save a shot all of them seeming to have hands made of liquid and suddenly my players have stopped marking players in the box the results all losses by 2+ goals, 3-1, 2-0 and finally a 4-1 and my job is Insecure with 6 games left and I don't think the team have another good run in them, Injuries have decided to hit hard and no ability to replace my weak keepers has cost us points but I noticed March has been miserable since about 7 first team players said "hay were going to explore our options at the end of our contract" since them NON of these players have managed over a 6.6, its really left me in the lurch.

Our luck and lack of keeper ability has really been shown in the XG table where we are predicted 13th instead of 17th with 4 less goals than expected and a whopping +9 conceded!

Despite this I wont be stopping the style of play I made this save for that reason but i am open to advise of feedback from any successful low tempo users, the tactic actually seems quite solid in game i just dont think i have the players

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

23 hours ago, AndrikoDS said:

I've been experiencing similar to the OP for many years in this game. I have come to the conclusion it's a combination of a few things; it seems to take quite a bit of time for a new club to 'settle in' when you take over, which is even more apparent in recent years with all the squad dynamic stuff, on top of which it always seems to take a while for the team to 'get' the tactics you are using. Usually you have to just plow through it, and accept there are 'hidden' aspects to the players, like the one with great attributes always playing like a donkey, and occasionally that guy who has no talent who seems to get a 7.5 rating every game.

Also, I think there are times when a team of good players just don't combine in the right way, on top of which the AI is a bit stupid, so inheriting their squad several years into a game can be a bit of a shocker.

This is all fair enough, and realistic. However, the problem I find with FM is that it plays out so unintuitively in the match engine. Sure, the team aren't used to me or the tactics, but that suddenly means everyone just wants to boot the ball up the field instead of passing it around or something. And when a tactic isn't quite right, the whole team seems to play like they have no clue, then suddenly changing one guy from support to attack or something and they are geniuses. Basically, the game doesn't make it very easy to understand what isn't working tactically, and it can be frustrating.

Readying the end of this for the "the game doesn't make it easy to understand what isn't working" made me laugh because it is accurate. I always check the data hub and end up with Too many goals in behind try a low line with Too many goals from distance try high line immediately following 😂

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

2 minutes ago, wearesporting said:

Yeah unless you're one of those really good players a journeyman type save you'll come across disaster jobs you can do nothing about.

Always remember if your frustration with the game is getting to you, you can always take a break. Resign your manager and close the game. Return when your ready.

100% just needed the moan. Don't have any friends who play so this was my only outlet

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

5 minutes ago, wearesporting said:

Players had a form bounce with a new manager then landed back on how rubbish they were in the first place

 

Yeah mine didn't even get a bounce. Some of them where just god awful. Sold them to other teams and checked on later in the save. Still doing dreadful. Restored some confidence knowing it was more them than me 😂

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

1 minute ago, Ngoc said:

or you can plop one of the 3 OP tactics that all the one that says the game is too easy to use and never ever listen when someone tells them to try something slightly less op...

They know is OP they select it and than they cry is so easy I can't get over it.

 

Yeah not into OP tactics. Like to build my own I'd rather fail on my own ground than success off a meta.

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

14 minutes ago, SPE3D said:

You won't want to hear this but it will be down to you and your tactics. The good news is is it is fixable. You just need to figure through looking at statistics through the data hub through your players qualities etc etc what you are good at and what you are not good at. 

I did do this, I'm much calmer now than at post but I think the players who where there when I joined where just not good enough to be in the premier League. Hard bottoming out at least 3 players a game on sub 6.4 even when I catered to the strengths of the team and it was super demoralising as it was every game. The tactic actually was working quite well (contrary to the results) we would have good clear cut chances and most of our shots came from inside the box. The crux was my keeper despite his really high attributes and 140k or so a week wage (was there when I arrived) had a career average of 6.5 and that was buffed by the season with me where he got his highest of a 6.7 and added to this my strikers where averaging a 6.5 themselves. Once I replaced the keeper and brought in a striker things improved significantly. 100% appreciate the time for the feedback and idea I don't mind being told my tactic might of been guff. It happens but I did use the reports, data hub and player preferences while building the tactic just sadly let down by a few weak links

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

On 14/11/2023 at 16:41, Ngoc said:

but it's too easy that's what I keep reading from many

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2252570/discussions/0/3957036254250574725/

This only proves to me that is impossible to please everybody and you have to remove the extreme whine on one side and the other because they are probably a 0.00001% very vocal.

True is **** happens luck is part of this game is not math you can influence stuff to a degree but like ANY GAME luck is part of the equation (like when you roll dice in a board game) 

The fun part is to react as a man to difficulties accept them live through them and solve them and if you have no fun go to another game it's your free time nobody forces you to do something you don't enjoy. I don't think a post like this gives any valuable information to the devs if I were devs and read something like this I wouldn't have an answer because a lot of people say the exact opposite which is crazy easy to win even with a very weak team. (as i proved with my link)

So good luck with your whine i hope you will enjoy the game...my advice? Start a new save with a different team and see how it goes or endure it as a man and try to fight the crazy unlucky odd!

Yep this is fair dinkum. I think i was just feeling very done at that point and seem to be struggling with main game after a successful beta run. Popped it in here in general discussion not for the devs but for maybe ideas and feedback or more just an ear i guess. As the only person in my friends who likes football and simulation games i did not really know where else to turn as an outlet. either way i stuck it out for another season and a half. cant opf been to bad

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

On 14/11/2023 at 09:55, kevhamster said:

How is the team morale, and how are the dynamics looking?  I've found these to be quite important.

Moral and Dynamics where pretty good going into the game, not so much after but we bounced back to a lower midtable finish in the end. Genuinely just think i had some bad players and that was hindering the experience. 

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

On 14/11/2023 at 09:11, Dadecane said:

Its normal to struggle early on in a new job, u need to find a way to grind out results, the wins will come. Dont let up. 
 

i had a save in fm22 where I started in Ibiza, got hired by Villareal, took the chance at a bigger gig so excited, my god I couldnt get that villareal side to win a game for the life of me, I got fired in 4 months. It bugged the hell out of me. Thankfully, Real Betis was struggling at the time, Fired pellegrini and hired me. Betis, and its players, fit me like a glove from the get. I immediately finished top 6, went to europa league where we lost in semis the next season, and Finished 3rd that year making UCL. 
 

im confident I woulda straightened things out at Villareal, but I was never able to survive the initial slump and that was it. 
 

keep your head up

I appreciate this response, we did end up grinding out some results and i ended up lasting till my contract expired at the end of the next season. May genuinely of been the team. all very overpaid, the keeper was on like 140k and had a career average of 6.5 before i even touched him etc. Think i was just dealing with the frustration from going from a really fun beta save to what was quickly feeling like a rough journeyman. At Strasborg now, keeping my head up 

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

On 14/11/2023 at 08:27, xkvicd said:

Another proof that percived quality of FM games is not determined by the game itself but how well the save is going.

Not true, to go back to my beta save i could get my arse handed to me but still have a good time. i would have something to take from it like we lost this game 3-1 but i can see my CB had a stinker but at least our link up play was good. Im not a player who wants to win everygame at all times. Hell i got through the season from this post and survived and finished 15 (some how) but it was a slog because so often it felt like my striker couldnt score if the ball was on the line and the keeper was haaving a brew. The entire team i had taken over where over paid and underperforming and that probably contributed to the issues but i disagree with the idea that because i was having a bad save im saying its a bad game i even state i had a great time with the beta, just been struggling since the full release.

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

On 14/11/2023 at 03:52, FrazT said:

There were no changes to the ME in the full release, so you will need to look at your games more closely and find out what you can do to affect the results.

I have been told this and it just further confused me as to why i had so much fun with the Beta but not since the full release. Im not a new player i do my best to interoperate the im given and use that for the tactics, options. I dont like to plug and play others tactics but coming back to this post 2 seasons later (forgot to tick to follow my own topic) it was honestly just my keepers (yes all 3 of them) seem to have spaghetti fingers, we would concede multiple goals and they where all tanking between 5.8 and 6.2 averages even when my defence would have high 6's but every game the opposition keeper had 7.0+ and thats just leaving me more frustrated.

[Individual Training Parameters]

Just a small one this but when asking the assistant manager for individual training set ups you should be able to ask them to do so based on your primary tactic so theyre not just assigning Libro to a player when you dont use one etc

[Dont shoot from range option]

I know we have work ball into the box and shoot on sight but it feels a specific option for not just smacking the ball from the edge of the area without telling my players to take their time and patiently pass it around. I try to play with pace and through balls so i dont have work ball into the box as it slows that down however due to that everyone is taking rugby style long range shots.

Is there a combo of things i can do to get this effect already and ive been daft for the better part of the last like 7 years?

[End of Contract for Manager]

Can we make it so our contracts can expire, it always goes into a rolling contract and i have to resign resulting in me getting the "why have you resigned from so many jobs" question in interviews which really is a minor thing but very annoying on the RP side

[I am struggling, a moan and a plea.]

Ive just taken over Fulham towards the end of 2028 they had been having a rough season and where 19th, i come in and switch to the back up keeper and we win our first game 1-0 then a really good 3-0 against Brighton followed. My keeper having a 7.7 then a 7.6 and my defenders holding a big improvement between 6.9 and 7.4.

Play Everton and had very close XG before they got a pen in the 84th min. i was loosing 5-1. they score the pen and get another and im just again finding myself so done. 7-1. 7-1!!! I just dont know what im doing anymore apparently. I had such a great time with the Beta but since the full release ive downloaded a skin and im simming games because if i Sim the team plays well if i actually try and use the match engine to enjoy the game 8/10 times my team capitulate in the most stupid ways. I was at Hull, checked our strengths and where we played well and built a tactic around it. we would play well loads of the ball, loads of chances, high xg and every game ended in a draw when they scored their only 2 shots. Im watching the A.I play silky smooth one touch football while my players seem to be using rice pudding for boots. People said nothing changed match engine wise since the beta but i find it so hard to stomach as in the beta i had a 5 year save and was Loving almost everything since full release i feel im struggling to get that same enjoyment. 

Now the moan is out the way does anyone have any ideas, thoughts agreeing or disagreeing I just need some rationalisation that im no going insane that the Beta was great but the release feels worse off. Just anything to keep me going on this game i usually love but am feeling more and more like im falling away from

[Football Manager 2024 Official Feedback Thread]

1 hour ago, limey150781 said:

The Match Engine is literally the same as Beta....so. 

Yep, someone said this after the post and I responded there. Basic summary not sure why I suddenly have these issues so suddenly  in relation to a penalty or two given almost every game now and someone had stated about other changes likely effecting it. 

 

Either way it's about feedback and that's where in currently feeling things needed mentioning from my attempts of playing since the full release.

[Football Manager 2024 Official Feedback Thread]

5 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said:

It's the exact same match engine. There have been no changes

Then i have no ideas why i had 0 issues within the beta and now have penalties given all most every game, teams now engaging differently and not using the space as they where. i even loaded my beta save and found the problems im facing in new saves now happen within there too. I have spoken to others who have felt the same so if they've not changed the match engine at all then i can only imagine there is another contributor 

[Football Manager 2024 Official Feedback Thread]

Honest feedback.

 

I miss the Beta, i had very minor issues with the beta excluding a few bugs. match engine felt fresh and exciting yet not always predictable, i didnt mind loosing games because i could see my team where using space or moving to make passing options to go forward as was my tactic by design and if we lost its because we got caught on the break or you could see where where outplayed and that was enjoyable for me, W,L or D it felt like i could see what was happening and why.

 

Since full release my players just kick the ball where ever they want, dont work the space the tactics try to make there is at least a pen a game and it feels like all the player interactions have reverted to FM23 where my goalkeeper gets a 5.6 but having a word and he thinks he played like prime Buffon. Ive not been able to find a list of changes since the full release but if i could roll back the game to the Beta to continue playing i would 100% would. Felt like a much more fun experience  

[Clear Individual Training]

I have been wondering if anyone knows of a clear or reset to default for individual training. Whenever I take over at a new club I find myself setting everything back to default manually before assigning training to people.

 

Is there a quicker way to do this I have missed as I can only see the option to let the assistant sort it.

[*Official* Football Manager 2023 Early Access Beta Feedback Thread]

Training - Individual.
There really needs to be a reset to default button in here, the amount of time i've joined a new club over the years and i cant just wipe the slate clean to start fresh is crazy.

 

Strikers cant shoot?

I'm only a few games into the season but im seeing a real issue with strikers, im playing as Bayer Leverkusen and im repeatedly having a XG around 3 or 4, about 14 shots a half against worse teams and 6 or 7 against similar teams (on extended highlights) and they're getting into the box and love tapping it at the keeper or hoofing it at some kid in the top row.  I've ended a half with Schick, the expected top goal scorer missing 18 shots all off target.

 

Touchline Tablet - More custom options.

The touchline tablet is a decent idea but the fact i can only have one or two details in such a massive on screen space is baffling, i have seen skins for the game change this and would honestly love to see it expanded on so i can have more than a miniscule pass map in a full screen length space.

 

[Opposition Goal Bar]

When i conceed a goal the bar with the players name and goals for the season stay on screen, the only way i can remove it is to exit the game and re enter