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Issue Comments posted by Grez
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Hi OlivierL,
The issue I've seen is slightly different but does affect at least a couple of clubs in Belgium that I'm aware of. I can explain what happens:
Oostende and Eupen both start with large bank loans (£5-10m+, which is a lot for Belgium) and large chairman loans. The bank loans are set up to be paid over 1 year only, which they can't afford.
The repayments of these bank loans cause these clubs to go into £5-10m+ of debt during their first season, which makes it almost inevitable they enter administration.
The administration emails/news items then state that the clubs are in £40-50m+ of debt because the chairman loans are included in the total figure.
I suspect that the loan terms are set up incorrectly and should be paid over a longer, more manageable term, but I'm not an expert on these clubs irl finances.
Cheers,
Grez
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On 24/08/2023 at 14:46, Zachary Whyte said:
Thank you for the detailed information, we will investigate this further.
Just as a follow up - I think I was wrong about what's happening.
We noticed that the scouting priorities were missing after save/reload, so we assumed that was related to the issue, but I don't think that's true.
We've noticed that during our network game (not only after load) the scouting priorities seem to disappear, but if you continue the game a few times they reappear later (perhaps the next day). So it's actually more of a display issue with information being temporarily lost from the UI.
It still only seems to be happening to the non-hosting players.
Sorry for the confusion and hope that helps.
Grez
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The main reason it's problematic is one of the best ways to ensure a multiplayer game moves quickly is to do all of your scouting setup / staff setup etc while people are offline, and then try to play through your games when people are online.
We keep the save in a shared Dropbox, and anyone can log on at any time to scout.
This bug means that it's more difficult to keep the save flowing. People end up with their scouting priorities getting wiped out at random times unless you're very careful about when you save / making sure you take control of every manager when you save.
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So I've continued my save, and now I have full international scouting it's clear what the issue is with the USA players:
The USA teams aren't giving their youth kids proper contracts.There's literally hundreds of youth kids sitting around in "Academy" teams on amateur contracts - and a lot of those players are good players. I think something like 50%+ of the USA's youth national team players on my save were kids from academy teams on amateur contracts. I started scouting them all around August and signed something like 20 of them on a free (I probably own the entire future USA national team now).
I did notice that a bunch of them were offered contracts by their clubs around November, but these youth kids had been sitting around for months (maybe years?) before getting given a contract.
Clearly this is an error / overlooked area in the AI. If a player is good enough to make the USA's national youth team there's absolutely no way they should be sitting in an academy on an amateur contract. The AI needs to be giving these players contracts and locking them down to their clubs.
The "Academy" teams I'm talking about are teams like:
Phoenix Academy, Inter Miami Academy, OCSC Academy, FC Dallas Academy etc. It also includes Canadian academies like Whitecaps Academy and Toronto FC Academy. Maybe it'll include other North American countries but I don't know.
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Also worth noting the same happens if the AI signs one of your trial players, which you obviously can't work around. It's pretty easy to just terminate your own trials before accepting them, but if the AI signs them you get no prior warning.
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Interestingly I've seen some similar patterns.
I'm playing as Dunfermline (Scotland). First season my scouting range was Scotland only, second was EU. I do have a few staff with some non-eu knowledge though.
Somehow despite never leaving Europe I see a ridiculous number of Argentine players being recommended to me, and similar to OP I've had several USA newgens too. I even signed a few of them.
I've been feeling a lot like something weird is happening with scouting/agent recommendations since starting fm23 but it's hard to prove anything.
I had a save in a France for a short time and I pretty much only got Argentine and African recommendations from scouting assignments regardless of me scouting primarily around Europe where there should be loads of other options.
I think it's becoming less noticeable on my save now I'm further into it and I have a lot of scouting set up, but early on it felt like all I saw were Argentines and Americans.
It definitely feels like the way the game is selecting players to recommend is a bit broken.
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Belgium finances
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Sounds like Oostende is correct then. I just thought it was worth mentioning when I saw multiple clubs falling into administration.
Do we know if the Aspire Academy are looking to sell Eupen too? It feels a little weird that they allow the club to go into administration so easily in-game given it has been a part of the Qatari football project - we all know Qatar can easily afford to cover the debts if they want to. I'm sure the debt is correct if their financial documents say so, it just feels more likely that they'd bail out the club rather than letting it fall into administration - unless you know something about them looking to end that partnership.