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  1. Absolutely- Bielsa has his whole -1 in attack, 1 extra in defence, so it's usually very easy to predict what formation he'll use against a certain opponent. He always matches them in midfield in theory but in practice it's often a 1 DM 1 CM/AM combo instead of a double pivot e.g. 3313 vs 343. It would be an interesting FM challenge to always follow this formula for a campaign!
  2. There is no right answer! (As @Jack722 has rightly pointed out) I just wanted to give one example of: "same style, different formation" would be Nagelsmann at RB Leipzig. He has used 343, 4222, 352 (and more I am sure, but I am not an expert in RB Leipzig). But the RB Leipzig tactical identity stays the same throughout (although obviously occasionally they will sit back and defend or slow the pace down etc, like all teams do). This might make sense if you play an offensive/intense style and think that the main reason of switching tactics from your 5212 would be because maybe a playe
  3. If you're playing strikerless then I've been using the following front 3 in a strikerless 343 system (although i think it could translate well to a 4atb if the rest of the roles are suitable): SSa-AMa-SSa And it provides some absolutely beautiful goals. The type of player you play in each role massively impacts things though (i.e. traits like dropping deep, killer balls). The central AM will do everything from pressing as a false 9 at the tip of the attack off the ball, to dropping deep to collect, play a 1-2 and then finish the move off after the SS plays the pass. However, I have f
  4. Look- there are plenty of things about that tactic that one might normally say aren't ideal e.g. no width on the right hand side, no defensive cover on the left hand side, 2 BPDs is probably overkill, extremely aggressive system not typically ideal for a lower league team etc etc. However, there are actually quite a lot of things I like about this tactic. It reminds me very much of some of the Red Bull systems that have been employed. It completely packs the middle of the pitch (4 midfielders plus supporting target man will drop deep and the IWB will maraud through the centre as well), so
  5. So, the first thing that comes to mind is that you're first in the Bundesliga in May, and rule no. 1 for tactic creation imo is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Having said that, by the sounds of it the 4231 is what got you this success and wanting to switch to a 442 is the issue? My go-to 442 looks something like this: CFa-CFs WMa CMs CMs WMa FBs CBd BPDd FBs On a balanced or positive mentality, and then I go from there. I would then tweak the roles depending on personnel- for example I would not play two attacking centre mids as CMs as they will both n
  6. Like Bielsa's crashed and burned with Leeds? Or do you think there are specific differences between the two styles which mean that Pep's would fail with such a team as Leeds and that Bielsa's would succeed? I'd also point out that Mourinho by his actions and words very clearly wants a specific type of player as well. Note also that Mourinho had the highest net spend of any Manchester United manager since the start of the Premier League era, and also has a net spend of ~£130mn at spurs, which iirc is far higher than Poch's was. This is not to get into an argument about various managers buy
  7. Just resurrecting this thread as I have been trying out this tactic (with some slight tweaks) on my current Journeyman save. I took over a just relegated NEC team so for our first season in the Keuken Kampioen division I thought the squad had a number of characteristics to play a style of football like this: -Exceptionally technical players -Strongest team in the division -Lack of pacey strikers and/or attacking mids (1 pacey attacking winger). I just want to say that the tactic has worked phenomenally well defensively. I struggled with 2 things which led to connected cha
  8. Been playing a lot with various front lines in different formations looking something like: ST-ST 10 Although it might usually be a no-no having all three of these duties on attack, in the right set up (namely relatively counter attacking and/or possession based systems) it can work wonders just having a front 3 let rip like that. My favourite combination at the moment is: DLFa-AFa SS And then depending on the rest of the tactical set up and/or the opposition I will sometimes tell the strikers to stay wider, split strikers. This leaves so much room
  9. This looks good. I would be interested in seeing results and how you feel the tactic plays (looks maybe a little too counter-attacky?). I've also been thinking about this today after reading an interesting analytics deep dive into Villa this season and I agree that more direct passing is the way to go. Hopefully I will get a chance to revisit this soon- I'd also be interested in hearing how Grealish plays as the WP-a (for me TQ is still him to a tee!).
  10. This post might have some interesting stuff- I can't play test your tactic atm but my personal thoughts are that your set up is broadly right. If you want to try and mimic it using a 433 as the base formation then I'd be inclined to have Bernardo as a potentially more offfensive role. It's difficult to truly mimic as the midfield 3 are very flexible. For example against Liverpool they settled into a 442/4222 block in midfield at times, and it'd usually be Gundo-Rodri as the pivot with Silva joining Foden up top to press. But sometimes Gundogan would be the presser and Silva would be in the piv
  11. Yep bang on. Thought it was really interesting that he chose to bring on Laporte and shift Zinchenko into midfield (on paper). Of course, that left hand side position he occupied is where a conventional Pep full back (sometimes wide, sometimes inside) would play anyway. Funny old things formations. I need to go back and double check but they were effectively playing a kind of Cruyff style 343 diamond, with much interchangement, other than Rodri mostly hanging slightly further back. I can't pretend to have watched the City U23s at all so I'll take your word for it. Would you say it's more
  12. Just to chime in on the overkill of adding pass to CBs whilst also having POD and shorter passing- usually I would tend to agree, but I have to say that in FM21 I have noticed an increased likelihood of Keepers kicking it long despite having, say, 2 of those 3 instructions. So if you did want a "play out of defence in nearly all situations" (e.g. 2020 Arsenal) then I'd be inclined to add all 3 instructions. Not that I'm saying that that suits this Soton tactic, but it isn't as much of a no-no in FM21 as previously, imo.
  13. This was from the beta- you might find it useful. To be honest I think it is less close to how Southampton have been playing this season, and more like how they were playing last season. This season they are being less front foot in possession in my opinion. Out of possession, they are still pressing the 3rd most intensely in the PL (3rd lowest PPDA after Leeds and Liverpool) but their attacks are actually not as direct as they used to be. In a trivial sense, they are pressing less than last season (but only because every team is pressing less than last season, Covid fatigue presumably). But r
  14. You're right that Pep's positional play is all about having a wide player stretching the play (typically). But this was just a replication of the specific tactics that have been used when Cancelo has been playing and no striker has been on the pitch for City. In recent games the tactic has actually been mirrored (with Walker as the reserved/defensive full back and Cancelo inverting from the left hand side). So for the specific matches I was basing this tactic off, what was happening was a flexibility in the postional play principles. That is, there was always someone keeping the width ont
  15. There are known issues with some of the analytics and internal stat collection in FM21- tackles and pass maps, crosses displayed etc. The advice of 'ignore the ratings' would be fair enough if the ratings were independent of game play and merely offered a way to quickly judge performances. But because player morale/value/success is partially dependent on the rating that they get it is a little annoying. I don't really have any advice beyond sucking it up, or start using a different tactic :/
  16. 100% agree. Part of the what I was trying to get across in the posts above was that whilst there are certain immutable features about the recent system Pep has been using, there is so much flexibility and reaction to opposition on top of that. The aggressiveness of the 10/8s, where the LB plays, how the wingers play, these features alone all depend on the opposition. And basic features like tempo, pass length, work ball into box and underlaps/overlaps all depend on the formation and system the opposition are playing. Against set block defences the generally correct strategy with this form
  17. Stress tested results I made one change to the tactic for the subsequent games after the 5-1 Manchester Derby: The left back has been switched to a FB on defend. With the positive mentality this gives him a cautious mentality, so he kind of ends up sitting wide and slightly deeper than the DM, but occasionally gets forward to support if necessary. It makes the line of three better for sure, but also, results are very good: Some great goals in there, and a very healthy number of clean sheets. Puts us 1st in the league going into 2021. Conveniently, in real lif
  18. In match examples I'll show you the Manchester Derby first, as it provided some good examples of the tactic in action. First, the game: Positives: 5 goals scored, despite a penalty being missed Considerably higher xG than opponent Outscoring xG (given underperformance in previous games) Outshot opponent Negatives: Low possession- an anomaly compared to the seasons results, but United pressed very aggressively (20 fouls). And I was testing this system, so didn't really set it up ideally to counter that high press. But shows we can get a good
  19. I've been messing with a wide variety of ways to replicate some of this behaviour. WARNING: If PIs and messy formations are not for you, look away now! Caveat: This is absolutely the opposite of a plug and play tactic. In fact, it is almost certainly not the optimal way to play with City, as it only even exists out of the necessity of having no strikers. What it does do is produce a reasonably accurate representation of the way Pep's City have been playing over the last few weeks, produce good results (with the best players in FM) and produce some fun and attractive football. Wo
  20. Hello all, sincere apologies in the delay on getting this out there, been very busy IRL. Forgive me/please let me know if there has been any substantial discussion on this elsewhere, I haven't been checking the forums since last week. Let me present the first of my tactical recreations on this: Man City's strikerless 4231. Thanks also to @JamesC86 for sending me some thoughts on this, they were very helpful and I came to similar conclusions myself after experimenting. MANCHESTER CITY 4231/3241/334 The system In the past few matches, Pep has played a slightly bizarre syste
  21. Hello everybody. Seeing as my Dean Smith's Villa tactical recreation thread seemed to go down well and generated some interesting discussion, I thought it would be a nice idea to try and do some of the other more unique tactical systems that are on display in the premier league this season. Here's the link to that thread if you haven't seen it. In the FM21 beta I also tried to do a recreation of Southampton's system under Hassenhuttl with Udinese. I definitely want to revisit this as I think the changes from the Beta match engine to the current one (especially changes to centre of
  22. It is just the default skin Unless you were talking about some of the other screenshots, which are from various online analytics sites. For what it's worth, I've been playing with various different versions of these tactics and any combo of SS/a and CF/s (esp with both having close down more PI) seems to get a pretty good pressing shape. The sad part is that it's not particularly effective in FM at all- I guess it's a pretty complicated topic but football aesthetics vs functionality and how they translate into FM is kinda interesting. Like, why do we care about the pressing struc
  23. Hi @nick1408, thanks for the Qs. So, the 442/4231 issue is something I've been thinking about how best to simulate in FM for a while now. Whilst nominally the FM formation is the defensive formation, so if they 'defend' in a 442 then we should play with the 442 on paper and set up the roles in order to get the attacking shape we want, I'm not sure if that will work. Let me explain. So the number 10 in Villa's system will usually (but not 100% of the time) move up alongside the striker so they can press effectively from the front and/or block passing lanes. Sometimes this will even be
  24. Thank you! You're right, watching back a bit and there are definitely overlaps. But there are also plenty of times where the full back will hold the ball and pass it back inside to the runner. Personally I think underlaps give prettier attacking play in FM but maybe turning them off would be more accurate! I've tried holidaying a bit with various versions of the tactics with a left sided overload and I've struggled to get any success. But also haven't put a ton of thought into it. I also tried switching the midfield combo to Car-DLPs, DLPs-CMd and CMs-DLPd. All seem to be decent. Somethin
  25. Hi all, happy new year. Aston Villa have been one of my favourite teams to watch in the league this season, partially due to Grealish's somewhat mesmerizing performances, but also that they just look good this season. And the numbers back them up on this. In the 15 league games they have played so far this season, they've earned 26 points. They've scored 29 goals and conceded 16 in those games as well, which makes them the 5th best attacking team and 3rd best defensive team in the league. What's remarkable about Villa this season is how they improved so rapidly from one of th
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