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  1. I'll start off by saying that I only plan on doing this while watching the entire match, I don't think it will work any other way. I'm also thinking about using this with a National Team, as watching the whole match for a club would struggle to keep my interest. I'd need a wingback capable of playing on either side, a winger also capable of playing on both sides, as well as two cbs who can be deployed at fullback. In my head, I'm imagining Newcastle... Anyhow... Overloading one area of the pitch... I'm going to use four tactics- a base, right, left and middle tactic. Focused passing will be to the area of he overload. Base -----------Cisse------Remy------------ ------------AFa--------POa------------ ----------------------------------------- -BenArfa---Tiote---Cabaye-Gouffran- --WMs------CMd------APs-------Wa--- ----------------------------------------- -Santon---Mbiwa---Colocini---Taylor- ---FBa-------CDs------CDc-----LFBd-- ----------------------------------------- ------------------Krul------------------ ------------------GKd------------------ Overload Left -----------Cisse------Remy------------ ------------AFa--------POa------------ -BenArfa-----Gouffran---------------- ---APa-----------IFa------------------- -------------Tiote--Cabaye------------ --------------CMd----APs-------------- -Santon-------------------------------- --WBa---------------------------------- -----------Mbiwa---Colocini---Taylor-- ------------CDs-------CDc------LFBd-- ----------------------------------------- ------------------Krul------------------ ------------------GKd------------------ Overload Right -----------Cisse------Remy------------ ------------AFa--------POa------------ ---------------BenAarfa-----Gouffran- ------------------APa-----------Wa---- -------------Tiote--Cabaye------------ --------------CMd---DLPs------------- --------------------------------Santon- ----------------------------------WBs-- --Mbiwa---Colocini---Taylor----------- ---LFBd------CDc------CDs----------- ----------------------------------------- ------------------Krul------------------ ------------------GKd------------------ Overload Middle ---------Cisse--Remy--Gouffran------ ----------AFa----POa----DLFs--------- -----------------BenArfa--------------- -------------------APs------------------ -------------Tiote---Cabaye----------- -------------CMd-----DLPs------------- ----------------------------------------- -Santon---Mbiwa---Colocini---Taylor- ---FBd-------CDs------CDc-----LFBd-- ----------------------------------------- ------------------Krul------------------ ------------------GKd------------------ As I said, I think this requires watching the full match... So probably international sides would make more sense. I think Belgium would be interesting with three of their central defenders being able to be utilized, as well as getting both Benteke and Lukaku on the pitch... I would use Hazard floating from wing to wing, with Fellaini in the AM slot... Problem would be who is the WB? England? I'd love to use Rooney behind Sturridge/Welbeck... But I'm not psyched about the WB (Milner?) situation, nor the winger (Wilshire?) Wales? Using Bale as the floating winger? Portugal with Ronaldo moving around? Japan so Kagawa and Nagatomi? That's actually kind of interesting... Are there two Japanese strikers worth playing at once? I guess logistical questions would be... - in switching tactics in-game, moving players positions, do those players need a certain hidden trait like adaptability or flexibility or whatever? - does switching tactics mess the players overall performance up? - how does the switching of roles affect players once in a match? - what new roles might make sense in this setup?
  2. I would love to see two more bands left to right, essentially closing the gap between the wings and central bands... And two more horizontal bands... So where it's now set up like this: X---X X X---X forwards line X---X X X---X attack mids X---X X X---X midfielders X---X X X---X def mids X---X X X---X defenders X---X X X---X sweeper I'd like to see this: X X X X X X X Out and out attacker row X X X X X X X Deep forward row X X X X X X X Attacking midfielder row X X X X X X X Traditional midfielder row X X X X X X X Traditional DM and WB row X X X X X X X High pressing defensive row X X X X X X X Traditional defensive row X X X X X X X Sweeper row This would allow a bit more freedom to create narrow/wide tactics... As you could stick the wingers one band inside to create some more connection, and this would DEFINITELY help making a back three, using the new role of limited full back or ball playing defenders in the new width bands, and allowing some space in the back row. Anyhow. That's my hope for the future.
  3. You would probably really enjoy handheld.
  4. Looking at the new player rules, and with my understanding of how tactics will be created, I'm looking forward to finally playing a 451/343 hybrid I've been trying to create for years... I've traditionally gone with this, with the goal being to attack like a 343, and defend in a 451: ----------ADF(A)---------- -IF(S)---------------IF(S)- -----B2B(S)--B2B(S)----- -WB(S)--ANC(D)--WB(S)- ----BPD(D)----BPD(D)---- ---------------------------- ----------SWK(S)--------- I got into trouble with my back line being too aggressive and narrow... The CBs never split to let the ANC in, no matter how I manipulated the sliders. So clearly I am excited for the halfback role... As well as the complete wingbacks. I've never been able to set wingbacks to attack as they just left the CBs exposed... And then on support never really got ahead like they needed to to give width as the IF's cut inside to support the ST. And I always needed to set the IFs to Support to track back better, but now I can do that with shouts, I think... My hope is that the CBs can split to let the HB in, and then can be more aggressive in stepping up to intercept balls and recycle play while the WBs become my wide attackers, and I can have the two midfielders in support of a three man attack. I am thinking my first go will be something like this: -----------F9(S)----------- -IF(A)---------------IF(A)- -----B2B(S)--B2B(S)----- -CWB(A)-HB(D)-CWB(A)- ----BPD(ST)-BPD(ST)---- ---------------------------- ----------SWK(S)--------- The other thing I was looking at was how Atletico have been playing, and this resurgence of the 442... And I have always sort of enjoyed a B2B player... As well as trying to re-deploy those types at FB and out wide in WM roles. So I'd kind of like to see a solid defensive 44 shape, that defends deep and then breaks like crazy on the counter... And the shadow striker intrigues me, especially with a False 9. Kind of a False 9/False 10 situation. I'm theorizing that the False 10 and some counter attacking midfielders can really enjoy the space the False 9 creates... It will really depend on how deep I'm an get them to sit, and how reliably I can get them to break out with individual shouts. But the idea would be that the four midfielders and the two wingbacks will blast ahead creating a 244 in attack, and all will need solid stamina (I envision them all being B2B types- think sliding Ramires/Vidal types out wide or as a FB). ---------------F9(S)--------------- --------------SHS(A)-------------- -WM(A)-B2B(S)-B2B(S)-WM(A)- ------------------------------------ -CWB(A)-CD(S)-CD©-CWB(A)- ------------------------------------ ---------------GK(D)-------------- And I'm still entrigued by the regista/enganche roles. Using my counter attacking theme just above, I could see a 31411 being fun to play with... The back three being fairly typical- two ball playing stoppers around a covering center back or a support libero, with a regista in front of a couple of complete wing backs (or defensive wingers) and box 2 box midfielders... And then the enganche and a complete forward, poacher or target man... ----------------ST(?)---------------- ---------------ENG(S)--------------- -CWB(A)-B2B(S)-B2B(S)-CWB(A)- ---------------REG(A)--------------- -----BPD(ST)-CD©-BPD(ST)------ -------------------------------------- ---------------GK(D)---------------- That could even be a bit more defensive by making the CD© a LIB(S) or SW(D) and dropping the wingbacks to their traditional wingback slots... Then it's like a 123211... Very narrow and would maybe need a Target Man to work. How will you guys set up your first tactics with the new roles?
  5. To the original poster--- you probably should check out Marcelo Biesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Bielsa)... He plays a pretty wild style of football... But in the Premier League, you might take a look at Spurs and Andres Villas-Boas... They brought in a few players and sold Bale, but I suspect by December you'll see a fairly attack minded side that will pile on the pressure up high.
  6. I am a Bostonian who went with Liverpool prior to the ESPN article, but it's pretty accurate. That said, I really enjoy watching anything from the EPL... You will want to pick a side that's likely to stay up and be top half regularly, so be careful... A good buddy of mine went with Newcastle because he could drink and follow Newcastle simultaneously, but he ends up drinking more than watching lately... And another guy went with Fulham (mpinthe McBride days), and is now (in my mind) stuck following a boring, crap mid-table team. My suggestion would be stick to the Man Utd, Man City, !!!Liverpool!!!, Everton, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea group, as they look good to be relevant for a long while (and Aston Villa looks to be just outside that group). And you will almost always find a bar in a big city that will open up early for those teams as the demand is there... And in non-soccer bars, you'd be SOL to get a Norwich/Stoke game on a college football Saturday but I can usually get Liverpool on if can't make it to a soccer bar. That all said, following a team like a West Brom or Southampton right now sure looks like fun. But that's the beauty of FM, is that I can support Liverpool in real life and get all my treacherous, hidden enjoyment of those smaller clubs or intriguing lower level clubs out of my system in the game (Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Watford, Middlesbrough, Bolton, Blackburn, Birmingham City and the like). I'd also recommend looking for a team to side-support in the other big leagues- I also love to catch Atletico Madrid, Roma, Leverkusen and PSG matches whenever I can... I came to all of them from various runs of success in the early 2000's FM seasons (usually taking the side-story/motivation of trying to overcome the established big 2/3/4 of their domestic leagues- PSG before their current owners came in... Good luck!
  7. Looking at the new player rules, and with my understanding of how tactics will be created, I'm looking forward to finally playing a 451/343 hybrid I've been trying to create for years... I've traditionally gone with this, with the goal being to attack like a 343, and defend in a 451: ----------ADF(A)---------- -IF(S)---------------IF(S)- -----B2B(S)--B2B(S)----- -WB(S)--ANC(D)--WB(S)- ----BPD(D)----BPD(D)---- ---------------------------- ----------SWK(S)--------- I got into trouble with my back line being too aggressive and narrow... The CBs never split to let the ANC in, no matter how I manipulated the sliders. So clearly I am excited for the halfback role... As well as the complete wingbacks. I've never been able to set wingbacks to attack as they just left the CBs exposed... And then on support never really got ahead like they needed to to give width as the IF's cut inside to support the ST. And I always needed to set the IFs to Support to track back better, but now I can do that with shouts, I think... My hope is that the CBs can split to let the HB in, and then can be more aggressive in stepping up to intercept balls and recycle play while the WBs become my wide attackers, and I can have the two midfielders in support of a three man attack. I am thinking my first go will be something like this: -----------F9(S)----------- -IF(A)---------------IF(A)- -----B2B(S)--B2B(S)----- -CWB(A)-HB(D)-CWB(A)- ----BPD(ST)-BPD(ST)---- ---------------------------- ----------SWK(S)--------- The other thing I was looking at was how Atletico have been playing, and this resurgence of the 442... And I have always sort of enjoyed a B2B player... As well as trying to re-deploy those types at FB and out wide in WM roles. So I'd kind of like to see a solid defensive 44 shape, that defends deep and then breaks like crazy on the counter... And the shadow striker intrigues me, especially with a False 9. Kind of a False 9/False 10 situation. I'm theorizing that the False 10 and some counter attacking midfielders can really enjoy the space the False 9 creates... It will really depend on how deep I'm an get them to sit, and how reliably I can get them to break out with individual shouts. But the idea would be that the four midfielders and the two wingbacks will blast ahead creating a 244 in attack, and all will need solid stamina (I envision them all being B2B types- think sliding Ramires/Vidal types out wide or as a FB). ---------------F9(S)--------------- --------------SHS(A)-------------- -WM(A)-B2B(S)-B2B(S)-WM(A)- ------------------------------------ -CWB(A)-CD(S)-CD©-CWB(A)- ------------------------------------ ---------------GK(D)-------------- And I'm still entrigued by the regista/enganche roles. Using my counter attacking theme just above, I could see a 31411 being fun to play with... The back three being fairly typical- two ball playing stoppers around a covering center back or a support libero, with a regista in front of a couple of complete wing backs (or defensive wingers) and box 2 box midfielders... And then the enganche and a complete forward, poacher or target man... ----------------ST(?)---------------- ---------------ENG(S)--------------- -CWB(A)-B2B(S)-B2B(S)-CWB(A)- ---------------REG(A)--------------- -----BPD(ST)-CD©-BPD(ST)------ -------------------------------------- ---------------GK(D)---------------- That could even be a bit more defensive by making the CD© a LIB(S) or SW(D) and dropping the wingbacks to their traditional wingback slots... Then it's like a 123211... Very narrow and would maybe need a Target Man to work. What are you guys looking to do with the new roles?
  8. onto my notebook, which has wireless... My PC that has the RAM and Video Card to run the game well, does not have wireless at the moment. Any shot at getting the Steam install over to the PC? Or do I have to get wireless on the PC, and download it all again? I thought I'd be downloading an install file that I could put on a flash drive and move to the PC. I didn't realize Steam would install it automatically. Any thoughts you all have would be greatly appreciated. My notebook doesn't have the video capabilities to run the game. Greg
  9. So here's where I'm at with this... I found it super annoying to use SW's (finding SW's or re-training them is tedious), so I went back to using two CB's. I've got two tactics. One is more defensive, one more free flowing. Defensive (used away and @ home vs top opponents) Mentalities are in parentheses, all are set to Long Shots rarely, except the CM, and two Wingers. Team Mentality Rigid/Counter, Direct Passing, Pressing More... CM is playmaker, ST is targetman, run onto ball. I play Narrow ticked all the way down, and pass through the middle. GK- (6) Goalkeeper Defend RB- (10) Wingback Support LB- (10) Wingback Support CB- (6) Centerback Defend CB- (8) Centerback Defend DM- (6) Anchorman Defend DM- (8) Defensive Mid Support CM- (14) Adv. Playmaker Support RW- (12) Inside Forward Attack LW- (12) Inside Forward Attack ST- (14) Poacher Attack Attacking (used @ home and away vs lower opponents) Mentalities are in parentheses, all are set to Long Shots rarely, except the CM, and two Wingers. Team Mentality Fluid/Control, Direct Passing, Pressing More... CM is playmaker, ST is targetman, run onto ball. I play Narrow ticked all the way down, and pass through the middle. GK- (10) Goalkeeper Defend RB- (14) Wingback Attack LB- (14) Wingback Attack CB- (10) Centerback Defend CB- (12) Centerback Defend DM- (10) Anchorman Defend DM- (12) Defensive Mid Support AM- (18) Adv. Playmaker Support RW- (14) Inside Forward Attack LW- (14) Inside Forward Attack ST- (18) Poacher Attack I took over Liverpool in Jan 09, they were in 9th place, 12 pts out of 4th. I finished up 3rd to Arsenal and 1 pt behind Chelsea. I also won the League and FA Cups. I didn't bring anyone in, though I did loan a RB from Spain (forget his name) to backup Glen Johnson. The next season, I sold Torres, JM Reina, Riera, Pacheco, Aquilani, and Benayoun. (fyi- N'Gog was a beast as the Poacher... scored 14 goals under me)... I brought in Joe Hart, van der Vart, M Diarra, Muamba, a German Ozbek to backup GJohnson, and spend a load on Bale and play him in LW with Gerrard at RW, so VdV can start at CM. So anyways. Point being that I didn't go crazy bringing in massive loads of talent. Maybe even a negative depending on how you look at it (I see it as an upgrade). I did spend all the balance of my money on 20-under studs... I'm loading up for later. Well, that next season, I finished up 2nd to Man Utd (4 points back, 2 clear of Arsenal), won the FA Cup again, made the Semi's of Champions League and League Cup. N'Gog scored 32 in all comps, and Gerrard/Bale were amazing. I think that by them having solid defensive ratings, it allowed my 'defensive' tactic to really hold opponents. They started a lot of quick breaks for us by tackling the FB's and tossing a through ball into N'Gog. I even went to Defensive and the breaking speed on the counter was impressive. Gerrard at RW was terrifyingly good. I was really happy with GJohnson- he was my top player in both seasons, ratings wise. He doubled everyone else's MoM's, and the second season was in the World Dream Team XI... I didn't set it to any sort of cut in or hug touch, but he naturally was cutting in and finding himself in the box and score 12 goals the second season. I was surprised, but was even more pleased to notice that with Mascherano on his side, when he bombed up, Masch would drop wide a bit and if the counter came down the right, he'd pick up GJohnson's zone and stay until he returned. All in all, I was pleased. I generally don't do this, but I got curious so I added a 2nd manager in the January 2011 window, as manager of Real Madrid. I bought and sold a ton to make the team look like it does now (though with some extra bonuses- I was lucky that Torres was bought by Madrid when I sold him at Liverpool, so that was sweet). Anyhow- they were in 4th but ended up 2nd to Barca (who were way too far out ahead) but did end up winning the CL and Spanish cups. I was dominating in the CL. I used the Attacking tactic most of the time. I was using Isla and Marcelo at the FB's, and Ramos and Pepe as CB's, and was nearly flawless in defense. Khedira and Xabi Alonso weren't the same as the Liverpool setup, I used them at CM rather than DM, and as DLP Support, and B2B Support, though with the same mentalities. It worked nicely. When I faced top opposition, I dropped them back to DM, as DM Defend and DLP Defend. I'm going on Season 3. I haven't really changed the Liverpool side, though some of the young kids are nearly ready. So I may let some of the 30+'s go in the winter window. So far so good. Stats wise- I'm averaging about 2.3 goals with L'pool and conceding 1.1... with Real (far more talented) I've got 3.8 goals to 0.8 conceded. Still haven't taken more than 1 off Barca yet though. 3 draws under my guidance. Something will have to give- maybe play wider? I realize that the defensive formation doesn't appear 4231ish, but with the Ment of the CM/AM so high, he's always up around the ST to play short one-two's with him. That's it for now. Good luck to the rest of you looking for a nice 4231... It's a pain in the butt! I wish the tactics screen only showed 4 bands instead of 5... it'd be a lot easier if the 'bands' were changeable. Oh well, something for the 'requests' list, perhaps.
  10. I'll try another save with probably a team like Everton or Villa (I am thinking that because CB's are so hard to buy or find out there, I want a team with some good options)... Everton has Heitenga/Yobo already competent at SW, and Rodwell and Jagielka should retrain OK. I'm also keen on C Davies as Libero, with Dunne as SW Defend. Side tracked while playing with some instructions... Was thinking about the Barca system- getting the Anchorman (Busquets) to drop into the CBs to form a back 3 while attacking... I think I found a solution- all in theory, for now... GK- GK Defend (Valdes) SW- LIB Support (Pique) SW- SW Defend (Puyol) CB- BPD Support (Busquets) mentality up down a tick or two, closing down WAY up... fwd runs NONE... RWB- WB Attack (Alves) mentality up 4-5 notches LWB- WB Attack (Maxwell) mentality up 4-5 notches RCM- DLP Support (Xavi) LCM- APM Support (Iniesta) RW- IF Attack (Messi) LW- IF Attack (Pedro) ST- PO Attack (Villa) I am thinking that when on attack, the WB's will move into the space vacated by messi and pedro, and Xavi and Iniesta will just sit deep of the front 5, and spray passes around... because his fwd runs are NONE, and mentality is defensive he'll stay back when on attack, but will step up and close down anyone on defense. With the way the ME works, the mentality of the WB's is irrelevant as they'll drop back to even with the SW's... I'm gonna try using the 4231 and this 433/343 system with the same team... probably could do it with Barca, but I am bored with them and they don't need a home/away tactic... they just go with their system and let the other teams react. Hmmm- Liverpool??? I'm starting my game in January of 2010, btw... in my 'generic start', they are in 14th place in the Prem, so it'd be a climb... Chelsea is also in 10th place, so that'd be interesting to see what I can do with Europe and trying to get top 4 with them... Yup, I'll do Chelsea...
  11. Finding CB's is tough... Retraining them to SW is annoying. GRRR!
  12. So I'm through the WC, lost in the final to Spain. This works well. Here's how I ended up setting them up... GK- GK Defend SW- SW Defend--- Samuel SW- LIB Support--- Demichelis RB- FB Attack--- Zabaleta LB- WB Attack--- Ansaldi DM- ANC Defend--- Maschereno DM- DM Support--- Cambiasso AMC- TQ Attack--- Aguero RW- IF Attack--- Messi LW- IF Attack--- Tevez ST- PO Attack--- Milito I set the ST (ended up being Milito as Benzama got hurt in Group Stage) to Target man run onto ball. Aguero was the 'Playmaker'. The team settings were roughly Default, with Rigid and Control, with Direct passing. I had Messi and Aguero swapping positions throughout, it worked OK. I've never loved the way this feature works. Anyhow- I saw a great 4231 shape throughout... I set Cambiasso (or Banega) up with mentality and creative freedom ticked up about 4 notches. They got forward with regularity, but only in good attacking spots and ended up with Cambiasso picking up 3 goals in WC. Milito scored 4 goals, Messi 3, Cambiasso 3, Tevez 2, Aguero 1, Di Maria 1, Zarate 1, Benzama 1, Demichelis 1, Zanetti 1. The 2nd DM with the upped mentality was the key- most goals that Milito got were as a result of this midfielder arriving in the box after the play was up there, and requiring attention from the defense, leaving Milito free. It was fun to watch. I decided to keep the save going, and I created another user as I don't want to give up Argentina... I want to use the younger SW's next time around... My guy says that Samuel and Demichelis were studs with the instructions they had, and that carried me as I had the fullbacks advance up alot of the time. I decided to go with Olympique Marseilles (I've never managed a French team before, so I'll kill two birds with one stone)... I chose them because they've got a weakness at CB, which will be my focal point to address when I get started. I can hopefully bring in at least 1 great SW, and a competent CB to pair with him. Heinze isn't the answer for me. I do like M'bia and Taiwo as the LB and ANC... and obviously I've decided to keep Ben Arfa, and interestingly, they had signed Ibrahim Afellay... so I'll use those two in the Aguero/Messi roles, switching from wing to center... I still have the 31 year old LW (can't recall the name right now), and the Brazilian ST who has 8 goals in 3 friendlies so far. I'm curious to see if that keeps up. Anyhow- this system seems to work aesthetically, and functionally as a 4231. Also to note- the AMC as TQ Attack is often ahead of the wingers and ST, which I like seeing. He plays more like Ozil than Sneijder, but that may just be Aguero's tendancies.
  13. I'm realizing tonight after re-reading this thread that SFraser nailed it on the first page of posts... Most elite EPL squads are playing a Zona Mista out of a 442 or 433... Man United has been the most obvious example with Evra providing the width on the left, Giggs/Nani very narrow on the left, Rooney starting out left and cutting in, and Valencia staying wide crossing in, and the RB (O'Shea/Brown) much more a CB than a FB... so in FM terms, the RB for ManUnited would be FBDefend... occasionally going up to lend a hand, but first responsibility is defending... But even Chelsea shows it somewhat... Ivanovic/Carvalho/Terry as the back three with Ivanovic in the RB slot, Cole providing the width needed on the left when Malouda cuts in... Liverpool are playing it flip-flopped with Agger/Konchesky offering little offensively, but Johnson is basically a bona-fide wing back now providing most of the right sided width for them, as Kuyt cuts in most times once they are in the final third (but he drops really, really deep on defense, making it un-zona mista like, but hey, I'm trying to make a point, I don't want the facts to confuse you)... Man City will presumably have to do something similar to the Zona Mista if they are playing Kolarov on the left and eventually work Boateng into the RB slot (he's really a CB in my mind)... but Boateng/Kompany/Lescott or whatever mix of CB's they are using form a nice back three while a David Silva or Milner can feel free to drift inside from the left because Kolorov can provide plenty of width for them. Tottenham are the most clear-cut case now that I think about it... I've watched all their matches so far, and when they are in a 442, it's a Zona Mista... Corluka/Kaboul on the Right, BAE/Bale on the left as a WB, and then Lennon is the other Wing, with the LM (Bale/Kranjcar/Modric) cutting in on attack... Anyhow- re-reading this thread has re-invigorated my quest to figure out how to utilize the Libero... I've been struggling with the Libero and two CB's... never has the width I'm looking for... I want to win a title (be it winning the Championship with Boston United- I've been stuck there for 8 seasons now, I'm getting annoyed or winning the Prem with Everton again) using a Libero as my main formation before FM 11 hits the shelves. Maybe one of the CB's can play RB, and slide a WM back to LWB and push the other WM to RW...
  14. In FM10, I've been playing with a double sweeper system, one set to LIB Support, one to LIB Attack... Looking at the sliders, I'm realizing that you are right- I am going to look at converting some DM's into SW's... I like using Everton (I've got a 13 year save going), so maybe I'll go back and give it a go with Rodwell and Fellaini... Both ended up DM/CM's for my initial save, but I could see a back line with the two of them, taking turns joining the attack. They both have the right size as well... Thinking about it- Someone like Vincent Kompany would be a nice guy to retrain as well... Or maybe I'll go back and try an old school Italian-style Libero save and use someone like Davide Santon (who has a huge CA, so I can make his stats look like anything I want through training)... Even though most of this thread is previous versions, it was pretty useful. It's fun to see the posts from 2006!
  15. So a few threads I read today got me re-thinking about this 4231 issue... I've never been happy with the 4231 deep, or narrow, or the two CM's, and AMRLC formations... I was playing around in one of my saves with a reserve game and in that save, I'm trying to figure out a 343... so I'm trying to train a bunch of my younger CB's as SW's... So I was goofing around and threw a formation out there like this- GK- GK Defend SWR- LIB Support SWL- LIB Attack FBR- WB Attack FBL- WB Support DMR- DM Support (+3 mentality) DML- DLP Support (+3 mentality) MR- W Attack (cut inside) ML- W Attack (cut inside) AMC- AM Attack ST- TM Attack What I saw was awesome. It was the most compact I've ever seen my team- I was expecting with the vast space on the TC screen that it'd be too disjointed, but for some reason the space between the Defensive Line and Striker was at times only 20-25y, and the 2-3 in the middle looked better than any other tactic I've tried. The CB's were working great- The LIB Support went forward 4 times in the first game, 6 times in the second. The LIB Attack was BOMBING forward the first game (the opposition only had 1 striker, and I specified the Support LIB mark him), over 20 runs forward. The second game, he had a man to mark, but it was the deep lying forward so he went forward 8 times. It was really neat to see. Anyhow- I'm posting this because it'd be interesting to hear if other people have tried this, or will give it a go and let me know what happens for you. I am going to play with Argentina (for some reason a lot of natural SW's, so I'll have options back there) and run through the WC2010 and see what happens. I'm thinking that if I move the AM to MC, and push the MR/ML to AMR/AML I can get close to the Barcelona system for Messi... that's the hope anyhow... GK- ???? GK Defend SWR- W Samuel LIB Support SWL- M Demichelis LIB Attack FBR- P Zabaleta WB Attack FBL- C Ansaldi WB Support DMR- J Maschereno ANC Defend DML- E Cambiasso DM Support MC- E Banega AP Attack AMR- L Messi IF Attack AML- S Aguero IF Attack ST- C Tevez AF Attack I'll probably try having Messi, Aguero and Tevez switching positions regularly. With Milito, Garay, Gonzalo etc. on the bench I've got SW options... Demichelis isn't a natural SW so that might get interesting. I'll let you know how the qualification finishes out...