[FM24: Positional Play, Rotations, and Relationism (Tactic Added)]

one of the best articles I've read, as a newbie to tactics you really helped me understand a few things and enjoy the game more. Thank you very much. I can't wait for the sequel

[Manchester City Pep Guardiola Analysis and Tactical Recreation]

is really the best I have read in this forum, so detailed, so enjoyable, I'm excited about it, you actually made me personally love the game even more,

Congratulations

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1 hour ago, michael_richie0 said:

let this be a good idea of how to overload one side;

example in the 2 photos we have a clear overload on the right,but I would like number 10 to go closer. can i achieve this?

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2 hours ago, crusadertsar said:

Trust me it's not easy to make a good tactic or one thats consistently brings results when you are a top side. It's an ongoing process and there's no magic formula. I'm still tweaking and trying to find one that satisfies me without going into exploit territory. 

let this be a good idea of how to overload one side;

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47 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:

When you are a top team you cannot think about tactic creation in the same way as you do when you are a midlevel team or underdog. So while on paper there might seem nothing wrong with your choice of roles or instructions, there are some subtle things that probably will cause a big problem for you against defensive sides playing low block against you. And let's face it, as Arsenal probably 80% of your competition will be playing anti-football. So to be successful you really need to think through how you can overload one side to take advantage of opening on another flank. You will need to use roles good at holding the ball on one flank and then more attack focused roles to exploit space on the other wing. Smart distribution of roles. And you will need to stretch the AI on both flanks. Use fast transitions, ect. You can't just TikiTaka AI into submission. 

I've really read all your articles about the football you prefer, but I really find it very difficult to make something similar

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2 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said:

I agree with what Wixxi said here. You create a lot of small chances but seemingly very few good chances. Look at the XG traces of yourself and the AI. You have lots of little incremental jumps. This suggests you are getting the ball into shooting range but the actual shots have a very low chance of leading to a goal. Hence conversion rate will be low because the chances are not great. Contrast it to the AI traces. Here they have fewer jumps - so fewer chances - but the chances they are creating have a much greater chance of being a goal. So you are creating poor quality chances and conceding good chances. 

So the first thing to try to identify is why are the chances you create apparently so unlikely to lead to goals? What chances are you creating? I'd go and look at this first. Watch all of the shots you have from a couple of games and just see what chances you are creating, how they are created, and why they are not classed as good. I mean the XG is not perfect but clearly this tactic does not generate 1v1s with your striker in space very often. 

Then you could look at the same for the chances the AI is creating. Because it also seems to be an issue that you are conceding too much. In fact I'd say this was a bigger concern, since this is what really is dropping you points. Identify what sort of goals you are conceding. Not necessarily the type, but what sort of play leads to them. Is it counter attacks? Fast transitions before your team is set and ready in defence? Or whatever you find. Then you can set about fixing this aspect of things. These things will help you pinpoint your specific problems. 

I say this because I do not necessarily think your tactic is completely nonsensical. Now you ask 10 people here what they would change and they would tell you 10 different things. And whilst they may work, it does not help in iteratively building things up (as it seems you really want to do).

One thing I will ask is if you see a lot of your shots come from players at the end of a dribble (encouraged by the runs with ball)? 

The other thing that is obvious from your pictures is that the left side of your team is not working as well as the right. What do you want the left wide player to actually do in this tactic?

I see exactly what you say, after some dribbles they shoot, but apparently that was what I had in mind when creating my tactics, I wanted to have fast combinations in the last third.

on the left I imagined him in the role of a second striker the reason I do not have him in an if-AT role is because he does not fit Pf I think they will fight for the space in front

the goals I concede are again what you say, mainly from disorganized defense 2-3 balls and bam !!! I ate goals

summary: what I notice is that up to a point we are doing well, in the last third of the field I say that I have no players in the box, and they are forced to shoot if they have no options

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the problem is not just the game with leeds,,generally in most games it really creates a lot but we struggle to score

 

can the attacker be to blame? I do not know what is wrong

 

even the player's traits I have been very careful with what players we need

for example    i bough jord sancho very expensive purebred winger   he doe cut insde with the ball in right side  this is exactly what I want

for the first time I have what I want from my system and I find it difficult to do it for small details

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I have been playing football manager since 2014, but I never tried to do something on my own, I did it now and it really is great,I do not know much about football but I really like football so I decided to play the game for once as it should

I started with Arsenal, I am in season 3, in the first season I finished 3rd place and in the 2nd season 4th place

for the first time I made transfers methodically and what I need to throw what I want to see

I got 2 midfielders who would offer me stability in the midfield is the key to a 4-2-3-1 system (from what I have read in this forum it must be very good to achieve such a system) so i have  florentino luis and  frank kessie 

to be able to the full backs to climb higher freely without being exposed to the defense

the front 4 are very fast and with very good technical characteristics

This is what I want for my tactic, to play a free attacking football (Without giving the ball away easily)

I also have very creative central defenders, because I want the attack to start from the defense

but unfortunately I do not think I have succeeded yet and I need your help

I have these players

this system

in short I play this

even in friendly games we find it difficult to score .. what am I doing wrong?

some results to understand .. how many phases we create but we do not do anything wrong???

              PF- AT 

IF-su    AP-AT     W-su                   CM-de:  Dribble lees 

           CM-de   BWM-su               BWM-su: take fewer risks, hold position 

FB-at  CD-de  BPD-de Wb-su

mentality: positive 

In possession : shorter passing, play out of Defence, Run at defence, be more expressive, higher tempo

In transition: Counter prees, Distribute quyckly

out of possesion: higher defensive line, use offside trap 

[question about Pass Into Space]

you covered me completely, thank you

[question about Pass Into Space]

when I add the instruction PASS INTO SPACE 

 

would it make more sense to add to some players the individual instructions take more risks?

[Does this make sense?]

15 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

Given that your team instructions point to a possession-oriented style, I would not use 2 crossing-heavy roles on the same flank (winger and attacking FB on the left). More specifically, I would change the winger into IW.

On the opposite side, I would look to change the CM support into a more covering midfield role - e.g. BWM on support or carrilero - given that both wide players are played in attack-minded roles. 

Other potential tweaks would depend on my observations while testing the tactic. 

something like that ? 

                                            DLF S/ F9/S CF/S

                                            

           W (A)       SS     IF (S) 

 

                             BBM  DLP (D)

 

FB S  BPD (D) CD (D) FB (A)

Posive: shorter passing, POOF,WBIB,be more expressive

in transition: sometimes counter press

out of possession: higher DL + split

 

with the same roles i tactically become a little more aggressive

[Does this make sense?]

3rd year with Arsenal trying to achieve something else nothing 

 

I decided to play a 4-2-3-1 in the 3rd year maybe I will succeed this time

 

with its single instructions

if: stay narrow

CMs: Take more risks, Hold Position

 

if you could make any change what would it be ??
thanks

[trying to implement my idea]

 

To tell the truth, I am not very interested in the occupation, when we just hold the ball, you can do it, I would like a  attacking football

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2 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

Depends on the style of play you want to implement. If you want more of a possession-oriented style, then better avoid the attack duty for an AP. But if you want a fast-transition style (counter-attacking or fast attacking football), then the AP with attack duty would make sense and can work nicely with a carrilero or BWM on support in a 4123 wide.

In short: carrilero + AP on attack is generally a good CM combo in the 4123 wide formation in terms of balance, but is not suitable for possession-minded styles. 

what you would change??

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2 minutes ago, wicksy360 said:

Using the quote for OPs benefit, I know you will know this already ED. 
 

In your previous setup, you would more likely want to focus right, so to build chances that side and leave space on the left for the attacker.

The main issue I can see defensively, I agree with ED, that midfield is very open, not a lot of cover there as both roles will look to get further forward 

Car + AP AT on mid is good idea for this system ?

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i will show you some resfuls, it is the 3rd attemp with arsenal  

the resfults is not to bad,, the  issue is how can i improve my tactics

and you surely  know something more than me 

What would you  change in that

your opinion matters  a lot to me

 

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4 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

Because the combo of a mezzala and attacking CM is inherently risky. I mean, both roles are obviously attack-minded, which can easily leave that area exposed defensively. The simplest tweak would be to change the mezzala into a holding or covering role (DLP support or carrilero or BWM support). That (seemingly small) tweak would make the setup far more balanced and solid. As you can see, just one single role can make a huge difference. 

i think this is exacly what makes the game so magical

with carrilero  will i have the focus on left to the same dagree?

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I tried This : 

 

           dlf s

 IF a              W s    

      mez s  Cm A 

           DM d 

WB s   cd cd  FB s 

i think with this  i load left side a lot and create space at right

generally i liked what i saw,,, but  makes me very vulnerable  defensively

 

I am desperate I do not know what to do

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Thx for feedback,, so i will do this?

 

             Dlf a.   

If s.                    Iw a

         Dlp s  mez s?

 

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so i do not know where to start  

after much reading  in the forum  i experienced  some ideas on how to make  a tactic  and how to set it up

to play the team as i have it im my mind  and this is where the difficulites begin

The formation

 

Option 1: DLF ( I would like f9 but i think he is not good for a role) – ST drops deep, forms a diamond with the CDM and two “balance” players, two players push up onto last line. This is a flexible set up i bielive.. suits with MEZ {s} or better CM AT?

Option 2: One full-back overlaps, the other comes narrow  WBA TI : STAY wider     WBS : stay narrow ( i would like IWB bot i think is not good for a role)

with this  i what to succeed the maximun width for my WBA  that's wht i chose IFs  beacuse i think wit S dutie cut insite early

and so i think i create more space center  or on the flanks.. 

so far I think I did well .. but I can not continue it further

 

for this please I want your opinions

[hello SL forum .. I would like suggestions on how I can improve this tactic]

Liie this

Wb s  dc dc wb s 

              Dm/hb def 

         Mez a  dlp s 

Ap s.            If a

       Dlf s

[hello SL forum .. I would like suggestions on how I can improve this tactic]

Thanks you for feedback, i have some questions, i can change  my dwm to  dlp support can work better on this tactic?

[hello SL forum .. I would like suggestions on how I can improve this tactic]

 

I play with the arsenal in this savage, and I can say that I am not one of the most experienced in football manger. i made this tactic..

mentality: positive

IN POSS: POD and WBIB

IN TRA : nothing

OTP: HDL and OFFSIDE TRAP

AP: Close Down more

IF: Sit narrower

DLF: Close down more and mez too.

 

I want to focus on the left side 

to create space on the right

 

as you can see I'm in the right place?? 
please tell me your suggestions how can i make it better?