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  1. After looking at all the possible combinations I think I'm going to go for an Anchorman with a B2B and a Carrilero and just change roles for different situations.

    What are the thoughts on team instructions for the klopp way of playing? I see most klopp tactics having everything high line, urgent pressing full throttle type but this seems slight overkill and quite suicidal. What would be as close to real life but would preferably work in-game.

  2. 2 hours ago, milestobudapest said:

    I personally see it has a Half-Back (Fabinho) with two B2B type midfielders (Wijnaldum, Keita, Llana, Ox) but you'll see against tougher opposition while Jurgen likes to keep a B2B player who is more adventurous, he'll have a more static Ball Winning Midfielder alongside.

    I'm not playing as a top club so a B2B, BWM and a half back would be your go to choice then?

     

    1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said:

    If you want to really replicate how LFC play at the moment, then it's the flat 3. 

    The bigger problem are the front 3. While Salah and Firmino do play as strikers, Mane seems to be more of a wide forward. Which means the formation is (probably) a bit asymmetric up front (at least in FM terms).

    I've got an F9, an IF for the Salah role and I've went for an IW for mane at the moment to see how it plays but with my wing back bombing forward he basically just cuts in most the time.

    Do you think having a flat 3 works better with a high line and high press than it does when theres a DM involved?

    1 hour ago, FMunderachiever said:

    I don't think you can accurately represent Liverpool on the game, in the same way Peps Man City isn't accurate, or Peps Barca.

    Systems are too sophisticated for the game and its hard coded stuff to deal with.

    I'm not really looking at getting the system bang on really because I know that's pretty hard to implement in game for most systems like you say. I'm just looking at how roles can be translated into game and then I'll pick certain characteristics like pressing etc.

  3. What's everyone's interpretation of the midfield 3 for liverpool? 

    Would it be a flat 3 or a 2 with a DM possibly?

    I have an Anchorman with a Carrilero and a B2B but it seems to be quite passive. I know their midfield is more industrious than creative in real life though.

    What roles would work well together on an FM basis that is still quite close to being how they play in real life

  4. 46 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

    Yes, there is a style I like to call "progressive possession football". But as with any tactical style, you need to make sure you have the right type of players.

    Let's say that I have the right players and I'd like to use a 442 or 4411 what TIs, PIs or player roles would you suggest I used to get your 'progressive possession football' style across. 

    3 hours ago, warlock said:

    Have a read of this thread:

     

    Will do thanks, I was actually looking for this thread but couldn't remember the author or name.

  5. @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! I've used this tactic to great effect on previous FMs across many different clubs and leagues but due to the new tactics interface I'm not sure what instructions to use that would keep it in line with your initial principles. Could you shed some light on what instructions and possibly which roles you would use if you were to set it up on this year's game. Thanks in advance 😁

  6. Orginally posted in the tactics and training form but I think this is a better for this. I was wondering about a few things in regards to the DOF.

    Does he sign players according to his tendencies?

    Does he sign players and staff according to his tactical side ie pressing style etc. 

    If he has for talking sake say 20 and 20 for Jpa and Jpp will he sign really good players or is it still the same players if he had 10 and 10

    Any ideas of responses would be welcome

  7. Unsure as to whether this is the correct bit for this but was wondering about a few things in regards to the DOF.

    Does he sign players according to his tendencies?

    Does he sign staff according to his tactical side ie pressing style etc. 

    If he has for talking sake say 20 and 20 for Jpa and Jpp will he sign really good players or is it still the same players if he had 10 and 10

  8. 15 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

    Exactly as in my post - FB support on the left behind the IF and attacking mezzala, and WB support on the right. Another option is this:

    DLFat

    IFsu                                              Wat

    DLPsu     MEZsu

    HB

    FBat      CDde   CD/BPDde     IWBde/su

    SKde/su

    I wasn't sure because we're usually told that a WB behind a W isn't suitable and should be put behind a role that cuts inside to let overlaps happen and usually a FB is partened with a W... or so we are told. If using a HB would you tell the CBs to stay wider or does that naturally happen in-game? I will have a look later when I'm on but was just curious for your take on it

  9. The information you have given me on tactics, roles and instructions are more than enough so I wouldn't worry about further analysing my team. From other comments and posts you provide on the forum I've got no issues with taking your word on it. Both tactics you have provided give me canvas I can work on for what players I need for positions and roles.

    On the 4123 tactic is the FB to be behind the IF and WB behind the W or was that to be swapped around?

    Thanks for taking time out to answer my (probably obvious) questions and issues.

  10. That is exactly what I mean, (mines wasn't as poetic as yours 😂). I think I have the players capable of trapping and passing the ball in a quick fashion whilst keeping that high intensity and also to be able to win the ball well.

     

    I'm aiming to have 3 or 4 players in advanced positions who you would class as ' total footballers ' so I want them to be able to use their magic if and when they choose.

     

    If using either the 4123 or 4231 what roles and instructions would you choose to use whilst trying to keep to my general idea of how I want to play?

  11. 5 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

     

    Here is the list of what I personally would change in your tactic:

    - WB on attack would become WB on support (because a DLP on defend can hardly be enough to defensively protect the entire left flank on his own in a system without a DM such as 4411, 442 etc.)

    - would use Pass into space occasionally (situationally), not as a part of a starting tactic

    - would avoid more urgent pressing (because I don't want to needlessly compromise my defensive shape)

    - would be wary of counter-press (unless I am 100% confident that my players have what it takes to successfully execute the instruction)

    - would be very careful with tight marking as a team instruction when playing on a higher D-line (because in order for this to work, you need players - not only defenders - who are both defensively capable and fast enough)

    - actually, rather than telling the whole team to mark tighter, I would use PIs to ask the 4 midfielders to mark tighter

    Other instructions - play out of defence and be more expressive - are neither right or wrong in and of themselves. It depends on how you want to play and whether your players are good enough to play in that way. So without knowledge of your team (players), I cannot tell you if I would use or remove these instructions (or maybe add some more).

    Forgot to mention at the start that I was Ac milan.

    I did think the pressing and counter pressing would leave me open but I thought taking them off would make me less proactive and standoffish.

    I'm not 100% sure how I want to play, I like the idea of winning the ball quickly and using quick short passes to overwhelm the opposition. My thoughts on using the DLP were to move the ball from defence to midfield better and maybe ping a long pass when the striker or winger are bombing forward.

    Be more expressive was added because I seem to struggle to break teams down and with having players like Paqueta, Bonaventura, Pavon, Castillejo and Çalhanoglu maybe they would give me that little extra.

    If my current tactic with your adjustments was used as my balanced starter tactic what role and instruction changes would you do to make a tactic to use against weaker teams who just camp in their own box.

    I have also bought Cristian Pavon (Boca), Lucas Silva (Real Madrid) and Johannes Geis (Ex Schalke). Sold Biglia and Suso. Incase that helps with anything

  12. Playing ok with this current tactic and was just curious if anyone would do anything different to either the roles or instructions.

                                    Sk d

    Fb s             Cd d           Cd d            Wb a

    W a             b2b             dlp d            Iw a

                                    Am a

                                     Cf s 

    Im playing a Balanced mentality with the following instructions

    Pass into space, play out of defense, be more expressive

    Roll it out, distribute quickly, counter, counter-press

    Higher def line, more urgent, stay on feet, tighter marking, use offside trap

    DLP has close down less to keep some shape in the middle

     

    I get better results against bigger teams and struggle to open up and break down smaller teams who sit back, what changes would you make to either draw out the opposition or camp in their half and probe for openings

     

  13. @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! I use your sacchi tactic with a few of my own tweaked variations and was just wondering what roles did you use for training per position? I usually go for AM or AP for the attacking midfielder role but I've noticed they don't progress as well as others?

    Gk - sweeper keeper

    Cbs - ball playing defender

    Fb & wb - complete wing back

    Wm & w - wide midfielder

    Dlp & cm - roaming playmaker

    Am - as discussed

    Cf - complete forward.

    These are my usual individual training roles. Do you also use the same roles for your youth development or are they geared towards training different attributes?

    My general training is kept on balanced for my first team and fitness for my youth team all year every year.

    Apologies if this has been previously discussed and also for the length of the post.

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