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How to use halfback in 4-2-3-1?

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That one with the poacher.

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A few questions:

1) Why defensive midfielder in this tactic is DLP(S) instead of DLP(D)?

2) It is good idea to set pressing to much more urgent instead of more urgent?

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On 13/09/2021 at 23:10, _Ben_ said:

(Early) September 2037

I turned on my laptop and fancied a little analytical work this evening, despite being rather tired from actually having to hold down a real life job and not play FM all day.

So I did...

Now - we're rather good but not unbeatable, yet three goals conceded in just two games marks a change from our normal defensive solidarity. I wanted to know why. Below are the players who have played for me in the two games:

A reasonably settled backline with Osemene, Perez and Ionesi being here for a good while and Addai-Mandela coming through the ranks, joining the first team in January. Obviously, Joksimovic is a new player and is completely new to his position, which, I believe, reduces his Decision making somewhat. However, when I isolate their KPIs from the two matches, I get some interesting results:

Because it's such a small data collection, I did this manually - using the match analysis to single out things like Defensive Area (and penalty area) as well as Progressive/Forward passes - this means that I can get a more accurate version of Total Defensive Actions than before because things like 'Gained Possession' don't appear to exist outside of the match analysis tool.

What this looks like is that we don't actually do a lot of defending. I knew that because of what I see in the highlights but this really enforces that. We don't really tackle (nor have I wanted that, and it's pleasing to see that Interceptions > Tackles in two of the players) and we are certainly pretty good at stopping shots coming in as we aren't making many blocks, potentially a sign of real last ditch defending. Slightly on a tangent, but I couldn't help it, is to look at the number of times we gain possession and then move forward with it in almost all players except Carlos Perez, who appears to be reluctant to move the ball forward when he wins it - certainly something to explore within his skill set. I'm concerned at the heading numbers from Addai-Mandela yet it appears that three quarters of those headers he does win are key - talk about saving them for an important occasion!

I wondered if we'd faced a particularly tall group of opposing players and this was maybe why we'd struggled with those numbers, but that wasn't really the case:

Collard didn't feature for Thun as Ocompo and Cuellar (from that list) did, with Borie and Avdic in the Sion tie.

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So I guess I need to look at the goals:

The left is against Thun and then first and second against Sion are next.

Now, the first Thun goal, the lowest of the xG, came from a flick on from Cuellar that Osemene misjudged.

Whilst the volley was emphatic, I do wonder whether he could have been that little bit tighter. I want to see whether this was poor play by Friday or good play by Eduardo, so here are some comparative attributes, in the sense that I think one could match the other (certainly not gospel, just thinking out loud!):

• Ocampo OtB 14 vs Osemene Positioning
• Ocampo Strength 9 vs 13 Osemene Strength
• Ocampo Anticipation 12 vs 13 Osemene Strength
• Ocampo Agility 14 vs 15 Osemene Marking

Certainly in the favour of my centre back. However, given Ocampo another eight of those, this'd be the only one he'd net from this exact same position. I can't complain too much!

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The first Sion goal came from a through ball, at an xG of 0.23, meaning that one in every 4 from here, roughly, would go in.

I feel like the defensive ability of Joksimovic (Marking 8, Positioning 10, Tackling 8) plus the reduced Decisions (is 14 - but that is, presumably, whilst in his favoured role) means that he's just allowed Bognar to move through and put the ball away. My concern does, however, come from the three players moving towards him! We are a little bit disorganised here and that is something I can't accept defensively. Not a mistake, per se, but something that will hopefully reduce over time as he becomes more settled. Certainly I feel that it is worth persisting with considering what he gives us going forward.

This is 6'2" Borie beating a man of the same height (comparative attributes - Heading 14 vs 12 and Jumping Reach 15 vs 17) in Addai-Mandela to the ball. Now, my concern again here comes from the fact that EAM, the right sided centre back, with no man marking instructions, is there challenging for that in the right half space, where Perez occupies. What it did was leave a huge gap for Avdic (high Agility, Stamina and Determination, good Off the Ball and Anticipation) to sneak in. Again, I must ask questions of Ionesi's Positioning (15 and normally a strength combined with 15 Decisions) but it was a well taken goal.

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What are my thoughts then?

Well, it appears we are doing pretty well as individuals in most areas except maybe aerial challenges but we are just lacking a little organisation and drilling defensively. Nothing has changed tactically over the summer but there is obviously a refresh time in the tactical familiarity and maybe we just haven't found it quite yet.

I'm sure it'll be a great season and there'll be many more goals scored than conceded but it's nice to dig into trying to find out why!

 

Are you going to share your tactis?

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@Cult of Football Manager

Wonderful tactic, and even more wonderful thread.

Would you be interested in recreation of Hansi Flick's Bayern and/or National Team?

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Ok, here are some results. Don't be suprised, my favourite team is Real Madrid. I use this first tactic when playing home, and the second one when playing away.

It works pretty good, exept being thrashed by Atletico (Llorente was playing then like Lampard and scored two screamers and Gimenez was playing like Terry and scored two headers), the results are really good.

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Yes, so maybe try to replicate this time this 5-3-2/ 3-1-4-2 ?

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Alright, so maybe that?

https://footyroom.co/matches/79940541/manchester-city-vs-liverpool/review

They just smashed Liverpool 5-0.

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Manchester City version, with Sterling on left and Bernardo/Sane/Mahrez on right.

I want to use while playing Real Madrid.

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Sure thing, I will.

Could you do 4-3-3 version with Inside Forwards on wings ?

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18 hours ago, Miragepredator said:

The updated version for FM21 and it works much better (which is probably due to the 2 beasts uptop whose stats have been unreal) 

Started off poor for the first 5-6 games and we are still in February with these stats 

The wingers have constantly been injured so their stats do not really reflect how much they influence this team

The first image is the tactic for when we play teams we are confident of beating or with a single striker whereas the second tactic is for a more conservative approach   

Recently sold Mount for £178mill due to his agent being annoying and not signing an extension so currently having to play Gilmour there for the last 3/4 games

Could you upload these two tactics?

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How do you think, is Pressing Forward (A) the most appropriate striker role for this tactic?

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On 30/05/2020 at 07:43, Columnarius said:

@Experienced Defender had some suggestions regarding offensive aspects of my Man City tactic in another thread and I wanted to funnel that discussion here but also set a broader context.

First off, this thread has been a lot of fun!  A big thank to @LeonardSnart who started it way back on Nov 11, 2018.

You're welcome. I'm glad my thread was so successful.

And thanks guys for all of your replies.

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In your opinion, what attacking width is the best for gegenpressing?

In game template, the width is very narrow, but it doesn't works too well because the only thing that my team can do is pass to full back and cross.

Wide attacking width is good, especially when I attack with wings, but there isn't to much effective counterattacks which I love the most.

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Yeah, 4-1-4-1 is intresting option. Definitely I'll think about it.

One more question:

What about a high won matches, such as 7-2 against Stoke (last season) or 6-1 against Southampton (this season) where Sane played on the left and Sterling on the right?

Wingers were wingers(A) and fullback were IWB(S/A)?

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5 hours ago, FlairRA said:

The roles and duties depend a lot on the players really. Sane's usually a Winger (A) on the left, Mahrez is an IF (A) on the right, and Sterling is a W(A) or IF (A) depending on his stronger foot. You could also consider him to be a Raumdeter as well. Aguero is a CF (A) imo. We don't really use IWB's anymore, as with Mahrez and Sterling typically cutting inside Mendy and Walker stay wide to provide width, so I'd use WB (A).

 

What if Sane plays as Winger on the left and Mahrez plays as IF on the right? Does Mendy still stay wide? i think Mendy goes half space and become inverted back.

13 hours ago, yonko said:

Blasphemy. To create Pep tactic using Real Madrid.

@kpsia518

 

Fight fire with fire.

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I am a huge fan of Pep Guardiola. His Manchester City is the best Premier Leauge team I've ever seen and I want to recreate his tactic.
Everyone knows that wingbacks are cutting inside the midfield, wingers stays close the line to remain width and ofensive atacking midfielders are moving into the halfspaces.
It is the mix of typical short passes when in possesion and counterpressing + counter in transition. There is also high press when team has no ball.

Here is my interpretation:

I am not sure about midfield trio roles. And team shape IMO should be fluid, but unfortunately, FM prefers flexible.

 

 

What would you improve to make this more realistic and effective?

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Hi! I'm trying to create manchester city tactic. What role would you set for De Bruyne and Silva? Mezzala (S/A)?

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What mentality would you use in Rinus Michels Total Football tactic? Control? Standard? Or maybe Attacking?

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On 05/08/2018 at 03:41, Snorks said:

It is one of the menu options at the top of the Scouting screen - but you need to have added them to the shortlist yourself.

Thank you, I found it.

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On 29/07/2018 at 03:57, Snorks said:

1: not sure - you mean the players you want to buy? Have instructed the DoF to buy or just shortlisted in scouting? Please clarify.

2: Make sure they are downloaded/extracted to the correct folder, then, usually 'Manage Filters' and 'Load' or 'Import' - not at my game machine at the moment so unable to check properly.

I'm not sure, but i think i want to see "shortlisted in scouting".

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2 questions.

1. How to check my wishlist in FM18? I can't find it.

2. How to turn on/put in downloaded filters?

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Can someone recommend good 4-3-3 posession tactic?

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Is very fluid style appriopriate for high pressing tactic?

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I will consider Anchor Man, Defensive Midfielder, Halfback and BWM, but I really like DLP(D) like Busi, Alonso or Weigl, so I would to leave this. So maybe should I change DLP(S) to BBM?