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  1. Thanks for responding. I left the house this AM for a few days, so won't be able to upload a saved game, but I don't think you need that to see the issue. If you look in the editor, and go to England leagues, match rules, #6, FFP, you will see on the right hand side a drop down box which says there are 15 items selected to be considered expenditure in the FFP rules. One of those 15 items (clearly checked) is "Dividends". In the game, the dividends come about because the board has 'moved money to another account'. So, by moving the money to another account when you earn a lot of money (to keep below the 2bn integer FM problem), it creates a massive loss and an FFP breach. This is just clearly and definitively wrong. No FFP rules in any organization are going to consider it a loss when you move money between bank accounts. The problem I am having is some way to correct it / work around it for the European Champions League. I can turn off FFP for the EPL (or I could uncheck Dividends, though it would take me a few days to progress through the game enough to see if that worked and there is no point in me wasting that time again if the ECL is not fixed anyway. As I said, I could send you my saved game which would show you that I am failing the FFP rules, because of my loss, then you could look at the expenditure to see that the "loss" is all Dividends, but the above is the full fact pattern and is inherent to the game, not my specific save. Will start its own thread also, but no other threads seem to have gotten any replies on this, hence the conversation here. This also directly impacts whether I will pre-order FM18, so it is not entirely off-topic.
  2. Neil - Perhaps you could respond to my post above? Not had anything from anyone at SI yet, and would thoroughly appreciate thtis so that I can continue with the game... I posted in the bug forum too, and someplace else, but I see you are at least active... I had written this: 80% discount. Amazing. I paid $50 a couple of days ago and, to top it all off, am having my enjoyment ruined because the FFP calculations in the Champions League and Premier League both include Dividends as expenditure which is plain wrong. Can you please confirm whether this will be resolved in FM18? This is an issue that has been raised on these forums before, I can see, but never satisfactorily answered by SI. I cant for the life of me work out how to edit the Champions League FFP either - The EPL one I can deactivate in the editor (advanced rules), or change what is included in expenditure, but this doesn't seem to be possible for the Champions League? Seeing I have paid 80% more than anyone buying today, to spend a few extra days on the game where I have now been trying to resolve the inaccuracies of the game, I really (REALLY) would appreciate some advice / commentary here.... Thanks Neil - I appreciate any help you / your colleagues can give in A - Confirming this inaccuracy is fixed in FM18 (in which case I will just write-off the $50 spent on 17 and wait) / B - Identifying how to get this fixed in FM17. Note - I am willing to pay for someone to resolve this for me / tell me how, if that is what it takes? Appreciated.
  3. 80% discount. Amazing. I paid $50 a couple of days ago and, to top it all off, am having my enjoyment ruined because the FFP calculations in the Champions League and Premier League both include Dividends as expenditure which is plain wrong. Can you please confirm whether this will be resolved in FM18? This is an issue that has been raised on these forums before, I can see, but never satisfactorily answered by SI. I cant for the life of me work out how to edit the Champions League FFP either - The EPL one I can deactivate in the editor (advanced rules), or change what is included in expenditure, but this doesn't seem to be possible for the Champions League? Seeing I have paid 80% more than anyone buying today, to spend a few extra days on the game where I have now been trying to resolve the inaccuracies of the game, I really (REALLY) would appreciate some advice / commentary here....
  4. Update - By removing the English nation from the competition, that error went away. That's a good thing. I then went into a game, however, and Manchester United (and all the other teams) aren't in the Champions League any more! Bright side - there is nothing about FFP in the rules (which I dont understand, as I was only trying to modify the incorrect calculation) but on the negative side, there are not eams so the competition kinda sucks... Gonna try and edit one more time. Further update: I can turn off FFP in the Prem, and other domestic leagues, but not for Europe. I have changed the fixture rules to 6 (no teams in the competition!) and I have unchecked the fixture rules index box (nothing changes). Neither works. This leads me to believe the Champs League fair play rules are housed somewhere else but I can't see it, clicking through all of the competition advanced editor screens. Frankly, it is ridiculous that I have spent 8h on this today, because I am trying to resolve an error by SI that they have been aware of for years. Can anyone help me? I must be missing something?... Really appreciate any thoughts. I gotta sleep! ONE FURTHER UPDATE: I have now downloaded the in-game editor. This will allow me to change my bank balance such that there are no dividends required when I receive income. For the premier league, the 'other' expenditure which this causes, still flows into the expenditure: Does aanyone know if that is also the case for the Champions League? Otherwise at this will mean I only have Premier League sanctions (do not out of Europe!) in my existing game / I can turn off the FFP in the Premier League going forward anyhow, as described above, if the 'other' category isn't counted in the Champs League?... All insights appreciated
  5. Ability to correct the existing, inaccurate, FFP rules inc for Uefa Champions League. In general, editing and continental competitions' rules is a challenge.
  6. Hey - So these forums don't seem too active anymore, but hopefully someone may be able to help... As pointed out by others, the FFP systems in FM17 are broken. The calculations are not accurate for the values, so that when the board stores money in a reserve account ("Dividends") , these are captured in the calculation of loss. Effectively, by doing so well that you are well within the FFP rules, the Board take these dividends and you miss out on Europe. Ridiculous. Anyhow, the questions on this did not seem to be answered properly by SI, so I have spent today trying to resolve on my own. I downloaded the Editor (had no desire to edit previously) and tried to learn it (the pre-game, official one) and I believe I found the problem (advanced rules, england, match rules, for groups 6 and 9 expand FFP and the the expenditure includes dividends. I unchecked dividends and other, I believe this should resolve the problem for the Premier league.). Now - My problem is that I CANNOT find the problem in the Champions League. Eventually, I think I have managed to tag a nation (England) to the competition, and therefore bring up the settings in the Advanced Rules under England. The FFP rules do not appear there, like they do for the Premier League, so instead, I changed the flag in the competition details (Fixture Rules Index) to "6". This is because the Premier League uses 6, so I am hoping that the resolution I made above will also work for the Champions League, as they will now use the same set of rules. I have no clue if this will end up with some undesired consequences... but I am a complete newbie to this and it's as good as I can work out... SO - After doing that, I tested the competitions and it tells me that there are the wrong number of teams for the U19 Champions Cup Stage 2. I have not touched either the number of teams, or the U19 Champions Cup... Help?!
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