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  1. Humor me and switch the F9 to a Treq.. I think it will reproduce things better and give the role the more attacking mentality it needs to replicate Messi.  This and the poor striker movement from FM 19 is one of the reasons O-zil went SS-A with roaming for his recreation back in the day.. also the role was pretty much created to replicate Messi.  I think the movement of the Treq role in the striker position is really good in FM 21 too.

  2. 1 minute ago, retrodude09 said:

    I think this is essentially what real life managers do. They'll work all week on how to break down different opponents & adjust accordingly all game. One small change will have a knock on effect with other things & that's essentially what you're doing here. My one worry would be how it affects tactical fluidity? 

    So I approach things very much like @04texag (awesome post btw!) using tactical styles to tweak things.. so what you do is copy your tatic to the other slots and then load up those other tactical styles or modifications.  So I have all 3 slots filled with "essentially" the same tactic just with different tactical styles applied to them.  This trains your players and helps eliminate the fluidity issue.  Not sure if it still applies but one way to learn your preferred tactic quicker was to copy your tactic to all 3 slots and it helped get your players more fluent in the tactic.

  3. 5 minutes ago, retrodude09 said:

    I have really, really struggled (even with Liverpool) to find consistent results since the latest patch came out & it's one of the reasons why I wanted to start again (as well as because I've read the book & it's given me a few ideas). Has anyone else found this? 

    My latest idea is a 4-4-2 (which sounds nothing like Liverpool I know). It looks like this:

    DLF (S)      AF (A)

    WM (A)     CAR (S)     DLP (D)     W((S)

    FB (A)     CD (D)     CD (D)     IWB (S)

    SK (D)

    Wide Midfielder is set up like an Inside Forward but without "Dribble More" & that's the only PI given so far. The RM could become a WM (S) with PIs to get him to sit a little narrower but my hope is that this will create some kind of lopsided 4-3-3. 

    442 and variants (442 diamond, 4411, etc.) are really solid this year.  First glance I think the DLP(D) and the IWB(S) will find themselves in much the same space.. I'd either swap your fullback roles or swap your midfield roles... not to mention your left flank is pretty exposed.  I've had good luck with the WB(S) instead of the FB(A) role and find they overlap at the "right and safe" time without even using the overlap instruction and I've since stopped playing with overlap right or left because playing my wide players in the ML/MR strata I really want them to have that extra individual mentality boost and not lower it with the overlap instructions.  Positive/Positive is a pretty good combo and you will still see overlaps happen.

    I happen to really enjoy playing with this 4 across the middle..


    WM roles let me pretty much customize the role for however I want it to play.. inverted winger, winger, inside forward, defensive winger all available from that one role.  I even sometimes use personalized instructions for the players in that role so they act a bit different.  Now I'm a huge fan of the DLP-D and VOL-S role in the DM space in my 442 variants because you end up with a late runner into the box but also a role that can help build out and looks to carry the ball on the dribble through the middle of the park.  They act almost like a double pivot and then the VOL will look to surge into the box and be at the top of the box for cut back strikes.  I sometimes goes VOL-A if I'm looking to hit a bit more on the break and want that midfielder runner.  I think it will give you some of the same qualities as the CAR(S) with some additional benefits.  The advantage of playing both those positions in the DM strata is that they will look to not only shield the backline but fill in for fullbacks that might be caught forward in attack.  Put two complete total footballers in those roles and they will boss the midfield.  Also give the FB(S) with sit narrow a try before going to the IWB(S) as well.. something about the IWB's position during build up doesn't seem right to me and I find they reduce passing angles during build out.. here is an example of what I'm talking about..


    You can see in the above that the starting position of the IWB(S) blocks the passing lane from the CB to the MR or ML position because they start to narrow.  Switch that to a FB or WB on support and they start wider and there is a clear passing lane between the CB and the MR or ML position.  This has caused me to stop using the IWB(S) role in my tactics until it gets corrected.  In previous versions the the role stayed wider during build up and wouldn't "invert" until the attacking half of the pitch.

  4. 2 minutes ago, davehibb said:

    @Kharza_FM thanks for sharing. It does seem that wide midfielder and multi striker systems work well this year. 

    There are different ways to get to the 2-3-5 and mixing up the attacking and supporting duties in those 5 advanced positions, I'm just finding it a little frustrating trying to get it working the way I want. Lots of possession and Xg and chances and not putting teams away at the moment.

    Food for thought though, thank you sir!

    Yeah I felt that struggle at one point and going attacking and a bit higher tempo seemed to help a bit.  I had to reduce some roles to support roles and really focus on the roles that I wanted to go with Very Attacking mentality with.  I also messed around with Float Crosses because of Haaland and Low Crosses when I had a striker like Werner playing in the #9.  In general attacking from wide and cutting back to the penalty spot seems like my primary goal path from build up, but both the aboves do a really good job at countering as well.  Late runners from midfield and shooting from the top of the box on cut backs has been another trend I've seen being successful (hence the Volante and moving the creator back to the CM space).  Winning second balls, runners from deep, 2v1s in wide spaces, cut backs to penalty spot and top of box.. those are the themes I currently have that I'm trying to exploit in attack while staying compact centrally and aggressively pressing the ball to prevent the balls over the top from catching us out.  I feel like I'm close to dialing in my tactical system for the latest patch and just started a more methodical save with Dortmund to see if what I built with Chelsea is transferable to other teams building from youth (and what better place to try it than BvB with all their young talent!).

  5. 7 minutes ago, davehibb said:

    Loving this thread on the whole but really love this concept.

    I always try to get that 2-3-5 attacking shape, usually out of a 4-3-3 DM, being a Liverpool fan. Overloading the back 4 and having an advanced player in each  gap.

    I have struggled a little getting the middle 3 to gel, F9 or CF(s) flanked by IF, I think more central strikers might be favoured by this ME than guys cutting in, so interesting to see your use of Shadow Strikers. Are you still using this system after the recent patch?

    I have two shapes I'm currently working with.. seems like 4411 and 442 diamond wide are the more ideal defending shapes this year that we can build a solid 2-3-5 and 2-2-6 attacking shapes from.  I'm pretty settled on my 4411 (2DM) shape but have been dabbling around again with my first strikerless shape and dropping that "creator" role in the CM space.  Here's what I'm currently running..


    The above is a really solid formation and I went 12 matches in a row on my Chelsea save without conceding a goal and the majority of the games I didn't even concede a shot on goal.

    This is the strikerless shape I'm messing around with and is more geared for breaking down teams that sit a little deeper and park the bus.. more my anti 5-4-1 tactic


    That CM-S role is what I'm currently working on.. has been CM-A, AP-S, AP-A.. still trying to find the right fit.  I want it to act a bit more like the Treq from the 4231 shape where they create and score from deep.  Most of the goals come from the cut backs to the penalty spot.


  6. 1 minute ago, sherifdinn_ said:

    Yeah, but converting the highest goalscorer for a top South American team - who just so happens to be a top prospect, into FB has to be a crime.

    No way!  Actually I need to dig it back up but @Cleon had posted a long time ago about how Ajax used to recruit all strikers into their academy and then retrain them to other positions including centerback.  I've been taking South American (and Portuguese) strikers and turning them into attacking wingbacks for years in FM.  Especially if they have any kind of tackling, crossing, work rate, bravery as base attributes to build on.

  7. On 19/12/2020 at 09:42, sherifdinn_ said:

    Gonna have to take you to jail for this one, chief.

    What?!  There is nothing wrong with having a world class right back.. Reece James has been the highest rated player on my squad the last 2 seasons and has become invaluable both offensively and defensively.

    So I fixed my conceding goals issue after that frustrating Tottenham game and then the 1-0 loss to Man City.. as you see we exacted our revenge with a 7-0 destruction once we started to open things up.  That 0-0 draw with Liverpool was the best nil nil draw I've ever seen.. 


  8. 1 hour ago, noikeee said:


    I'm trying to put my own spin on this but am struggling to score enough goals hence why I've made it slightly riskier:




    Any ideas, what do you do when you're struggling to break past a defensive team, for example? I feel sometimes without strikers, my front 3 just aren't high up enough and we don't have an outlet. I'm even wondering if I should just simply make one of the SSs an advanced forward, not as cool as proper "strikerless" but eh I'm just looking to have fun.

    I dropped "pass into space" because I got tired of hollywood balls that went nowhere and prefer them to play throughballs more organically. I'm also experimenting without "Force opposition outside" because on the new patch I feel crosses are dangerous, and since my shape is slightly narrower with a DM (the central MC pushes the outer MCs slightly wider) I was getting killed down the flanks occasionally. Another experiment I'm doing is telling the outer SSs to individually mark the opposition fullbacks.

    Yeah you aren't wrong in your assessment and it appears with the latest patch that it's even more pronounced without someone in the striker position.  What I saw was that it compacted the space in the midfield because you don't really have anyone stretching the back line to create that space in midfield to operate (which is the strength of this approach).  So I was more defensively solid than you and while I didn't give up many goals at all you are correct that it wasn't scoring enough for my liking (although in general I'm feeling like my boys are finishing fewer chances right now.. not sure if it's a patch thing or what, but they are missing sitters from in front of goal that I "felt" would have been put away previously).  I was getting a lot of 1-0 results with the occasional breakdown (mainly on set pieces) that would give me a 1-1 draw even though I had at least 3-4 good chances to score another goal and had xG well over 1.5 and sometimes 2.0 with only scoring 1 goal.

    So with all that said I think you are playing very risky with your midfield setup.  So yes I want to play fast, fluid, attacking football going forward but I also want to stay responsible in the back.  Rather win 2 or 3 to zero than a 5-4 shootout so my main focus right now has been trying to balance pushing numbers forward while staying responsible in the back and more importantly because of the style of our attack we need to be able to reliably break up counters as well.  I've pretty much settled on the fact that you need a dedicated holding role in the DM strata.  I've also pretty much decided that a DLP-S (i.e. deep playmaker with positive mentality) is key to breaking down teams in the final third.  Doesn't have to be a DLP role and I've had success with a RPM as well but you need them paired with a holding role.

    Two man midfield in a 4231 forms a very solid double pivot and stays responsible defensively.  With the two player selections as well they pretty much own the midfield and do an excellent job breaking up counter attacks.


    DM-S/DM-D - Hold Position, Close Down More, Tackle Harder - Zouma has been trained with "Play Short Simple Passes" PPM as well and already had "Dives Into Tackles" - He is an absolute beast in this role.  I usually go DM-D if they opponent is playing with 2 strikers to get that 3vs2 match up in the back with the DM-D trying to prevent an outlet ball into the strikers and break up counter moves from deeper.

    DLP-S - Close Down More, Tackle Harder

    So something else to keep in mind about players in the DM strata.. they will fill in for players in the back line if they step out.  So let's say your CB goes "walk about" pressing the ball or in transitions.. the DM will fill in their spot in the back 4 and maintain shape.  This is very key for staying sound defensively and preventing gaps from forming in your back 4 and I think the new logic around central attacks looks to specifically exploit this.  This is really awesome in a 4231 because either side DM will fill in for the fullback when they step out to press and prevents those pesky overloads in wide spaces.  If you only have one DM slot then you need a hard working player in that role (good work rate, stamina, acceleration, anticipation, positioning, etc.)

    And just to state this so there is no confusion.. a DLP-D is NOT a holding role.  We are talking DM-D, A-D, CM-D, DM-S with hold position.. even BWM-D can be considered an aggressive holder.

    What I'm currently struggling with is finding the right role to complement my system as that #10 creator player.  I really think it is the Treq and have had the most success with that role because of the combo of it dropping deep to link play and not being afraid to ghost into the box and finish moves.  Especially with "Be More Expressive" in the final third it creates some really good movement and creating/using space.

    So my current midfield looks like this:


    So if we go back to our 5-5 split between attackers and defenders we end up with either a 2-3-5 (opponent plays with 1 striker) or a 3-2-5 (opponent plays with 2 strikers).  Now those are modern formations but what I keep coming back to is the 4-6 split that we've seen in history and is probably best represented via the Brazilian Box 4222.  Width comes from fullbacks pushing high.. and you form a 2-2 box in defense with 2 CBs and 2 DMs.  I did this to get more punch in the attack while maintaining the key defensive philosophies we have.  So right now I'm currently playing around with the following shape:


    I don't know how I feel about the team fluidity of "structured" and this is when I wish for the days to control fluidity again..


    So one of our paths to goal is getting our fullbacks high in the attack to cross.  I play Floated Crosses when Haaland is my #9 and Low Crosses when Werner plays as the #9.  As you see from the above picture we have 6 in the attack with our DM-D, FB-A, and 2 CBs forming that 4 block.  FB role transitions late and does a really good job of recovering position (especially on the weak side) when the ball is lost, but gives you those wide channel attacks in the final third that you want.  DLP-S is providing good support along with the IW-S on that side and we have 3 players attacking the box.  Reece James got fouled in the corner and we got a free kick off the above move.  Sometimes he can turn that corner.. sometimes he cuts it back to the DLP-S to recycle.. sometimes he slips in the IW-S earlier.  As you can see the above pretty much acts very much like the old brazilian box 4222 formations and actually that was the first thing I tried playing it strikerless with 2 Treqs in the AMC strata and it wasn't bad, but like I stated above I felt like the midfield space was just too compact and didn't give us the room to operate so initially I pushed both to the striker position but then I was leaving the opponents #6 or DLP pretty much unharassed so you either solve that by man marking one of your strikers to that player or what I eventually did was just go with a AMC/ST combo to solve for that.  I'm still not settled on the role for my striker yet and the CF-A is the latest attempt.. but I still might try double Treqs there (I really am in love with that role this year.. just something about the movement, link play, and finishing moves that looks like a proper #9 to me).


    Yeah so a very long winded way to explain my thought evolution... so my advice to you is to chop and change your midfield a bit..  I'd go with something like this if you want to play a normal 3:


    I would then customize that CM-A role with some PIs to get what you want.. I've always liked generic roles customized with PIs and this is the perfect example.  I'd start with "Roam From Position", "Dribble More", "Take More Risks", "Close Down More" as my initial PIs and tweak from there.  Should give you a bit more defensive stability and not take away the attacking punch.  This would let you attack with 6 and still be a bit more responsible in the back.

    Hope that helps!

  9. 8 hours ago, crusadertsar said:


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    Almost no one else at the start of the game combines all three, raw physical strength, creative intelligence and elegant technique. A perfect example of a Total Football forward.

    Dortmund kid.. he's a beast in the game.  I loved him in FM 18 too and you are right he is a really good Total Football striker.

  10. 4 minutes ago, ozilthegunner said:

    Yes, I know all this and the players are receiving sufficient game time and doing well enough. But that 'game time is what matters' does not say that training doesn't matter, right? So, it is still possible for a player to progress poorly (or slowly) even if they are getting decent game time and performing well, if they also aren't getting sufficient training.

    To illustrate: My younger players may have 3-5 attributes that are decently increasing, but the pictures that @Jaye shared show significant growth in many attributes. Again, I don't know enough of the context of that, but if we assume those players are in a similar position, age-wise, to my own, then he is getting much more development than me

    Fair enough but there are so many variables that go into player development..

    • Training Facilities
    • Training performance (praising and criticizing them too based on performances)
    • CA vs PA (do they even have the capability to improve)
    • Personality
    • Training Schedules and Training Load
    • Game time

    So outside of game time which of the above don't you totally have covered?

  11. 1 minute ago, ozilthegunner said:

    I'm not sure how old the players are that @Jaye is sharing, and I haven't looked too much into this just yet, but I am a bit worried that younger players in my first team (these are between 18-22) aren't progressing as well as they should. In particular, though, I am wondering if it is due to my training regime.

    Playing in the premier league, and trying to win the league, means that I have 2 games a week and use a lot of match prep training (at least for the more difficult games). I am worried this means I am not providing players (and youngsters in particular) with enough proper training to help them develop. I've started to pull back a bit to help with this, but haven't had enough time to see if it is working. So, I am just curious if others have done the work on this a bit...

    Under 18 training matters

    Over 18 and game time is what matters - BUT only if they have good performances.. so these players that aren't developing what has there avg ratings been?  They also need to get at least 20 games a season

  12. Just now, energumene said:

    Holy mother of god, I replicated this in my own way (a back-three with an anchorman, and some tweaks here and there), and i won 3-2 and 3-0 in a row in the french third division. Seems to work !

    What you thought I was joking?

    I had great success with the below formation and really figured that the next evolution would be what I posted above.. ultimate high press/camping tactic.


  13. I agree with @sherifdinn_.. those attributes are the perfect base for a "Dribbler" role.  Doesn't necessarily need to be a winger/inverted/inside forward (think me putting Pulisic in the midfield) but having a player that can create on the dribble is essential and that guy fits the bill.  I've found Treq training really enhances the stats you want for that player.. I like to think of them as my dribbler creator so PPMs like runs will ball often, tries tricks, and plays killer balls as good ways to develop them.


    I just checked again and another really good role to build him for is a complete wing back.. look at his stats again.. crossing, work rate, height, decent tackling/positioning/marking/concentration.. yeah I would totally train him to be a beast fullback.

  14. 16 hours ago, retrodude09 said:

    Why do you want your Shadow Strikers to run wide with the ball if they're your main goal threat? 

    My system looks very similar to yours except I went with 3 at the back (also after reading Strikerless) & wanting to create something of a Liverpool system. 

    They dribble the ball in the half spaces and it leaves space in the center for the Treq and the other Shadow Striker to attack.. it isn't like that instruction makes them dribble out into the wide channels.

  15. 2 minutes ago, lipebtavares said:

    when i put it extremely urgent in the team instructions i can't put close down more in the individual instructions.

    Yeah the trick to do that is first you set closing down to "Slightly Less Urgent" and then with that set you go in and set the Close Down More instructions in the PIs and once you are done you go back and raise the Pressing Intensity TI to Extremely Urgent.

    Same trick works for short passing as well.

  16. 6 minutes ago, lipebtavares said:

    did you just put the individual instructions in the two mezzalas?

    Yeah I've since switch my CML and CMR to Carrilero's as the Mezzala's roaming got our counter shape into a pickle a couple times and the Carrilero does a better job defensively, recycling possession, and looking for the killer balls in the channels to the SS, AP-A, and balls out wide to the maurauding fullbacks.  I've gone more for a Liverpool-esqe Total Football replication over a City.. I'd contend it's more Bielsa without the individual man marking element :brock:


    Here is my current shape:


    PIs are consistent across the tactical styles so I don't change them outside of maybe some personalized instructions for certain players..

    SS-At (both) - Run Wide With Ball, Roam From Position, Tackle Harder

    AP-A - Hold Up Ball, Roam From Position, Move Into Channels, Close Down More, Tackle Harder

    Car-Su - Run Wide With Ball, Close Down More, Tackle Harder

    DLP-S - No PIs

    BPD-D - No PIs

    WB-At (both) - Stay Wider, Close Down More

    SK-D - Tackle Harder (does better closing down 1v1s)

  17. Just now, 04texag said:

    This is a great article, I've read it many times before. How do you pick your affiliates? Seems to me you would want an affliate that has a good youth recruitment rating over some of the others. So prioritize country, then youth recruitment?

    Yep so my approach is to create a top 10 list of countries and focus there first.. so top of my list is Brazil.  From there I look for clubs that have exceptional youth recruitment.  Now this is just my opinion.. but I feel that the idea is that the juniors come through our academy and not the affiliate's so I think it would be my club's youth facilities and junior coaching that develops the player so I just focus on youth recruitment for the affiliate club.  So in my case I went for Sao Paulo because they have exceptional youth recruitment.

  18. 8 hours ago, NotSoSpecialOne said:

    In the post you're quoting, he mentions that the player came through his youth system via affiliate. So he has a Brazilian club as an affiliate likely of the recruit foreign youngster type (not sure if other types can affect your youth intake at all).

    Yep that's exactly right.. I'm specifically targeting countries that have high youth intake numbers to setup affiliates so I can bring them into our academy via youth intake.  The board request option for affiliate is this option:


    Here is what it says and this is the newest affiliate I've setup from South Africa



    @retrodude09 Check out this post.. explains a lot about country youth ratings.  I pretty much use that list as a priority system of affiliates to setup for players to come through youth intake - https://dictatethegame.com/fm21-guides-newgen-guide-for-countries-and-clubs/

  19. 3 hours ago, 04texag said:

    One more thing

    So generally speaking, my goal has been the league title over the Champions League. I just haven't felt confident yet that we could push on the finals. Thus, when we had all of the injury issues and packed schedule at the end of the last season, I still played all of the older starters in the league, and then they were drained for the big matches against City. Hindsight being 20/20, I could have rested them in the league games since we won with 3 games in hand.

    This next season, I believe is our best chance at CL win for the next probably 3 years. Why? Alberto is in his prime, and Ciro is getting old. Our core team is mostly now 25 years or older, and so all our at a high level and well developed in our club DNA. This is a part of the reason we signed Hakan. 

    So, our plan this year will be to have a prime starting 11 which includes Hakan, Alberto, Lazzari, Castrovilli, Ciro, and they will play our biggest league matches and CL games. Then we will overly rotate this year with guys like Thiago Almada, Yeremi Pino, Marcos Antonio starting significantly more games in Serie A. I'm hopeful this shift will keep the big guns healthier late into the year, while getting the obvious benefit of continued big game development for the youngsters.


    Aim higher!  So I had a pretty successful second season and we only lost the community shield but won the rest including the first of hopefully many Champions League's.




    So this season was spent mostly as a tactical experiment so I was pretty glad to secure as much hardware as we did.  Season started out with a 4-1-4-1 shape but I still wasn't happy with how we pressed high or built out so I started trying a few things.  The season was marked by 3 tactical phases that we learned from as we went.  The first was a decent run with a wide 442 diamond..


    While the formation seemed to score at will and was really dangerous going forward I felt like we sacrificed something defensively and each match was either a blow out or a shoot out.. not something I felt I could build on moving forward.  We did however take a few tactical innovations out of this exercise with the first being how strong our high press was at preventing the opponent from building out so we took that to the extreme and developed a split formation 4-1-5 DM 2AM Wide as described in game..


    Great for pressing high and camping in the opponent's half to win the ball back and counter quickly to goal.


    Strong against weaker teams but definitely not good enough to go toe to toe against Man Utd and teams that didn't try to build out of the back.  So back to the drawing board.. what I did learn in this exercise was that I really liked the DLP-S as my main playmaker sitting deep and the midfielders in the AM strata are still ideal starting position wise for building out.  This created a nice split in attack while building out with the wide players and AMs sitting higher around the midfield line creating plenty of space for the back 5 to build out from.  Build up was definitely consistent and very successful (goal of build out is getting a strike on goal every time).

    Still wanted more consistency and wanted a tactical system that I could adjust based on just changing tactical instructions and not have to mess around with shape and roles.  I wanted something I could press high against lesser teams and play more aggressive and something I could drop to a mid block.. stay organized and hit on the counter, while still being successful in building out.  So I wanted a shape that I could just save different tactical styles and apply them at different points in the game.  To me that shape has always been a 433 as I noticed when our high press got bypassed we really had issues in the center of the pitch even though we tried to force outside.  I got the chance to watch Tottenham against Arsenal and loved how Harry Kane did as much defensive work as he did attacking and felt like I could find a way to incorporate that into the system.  I'm also a student of Guido and his Strikerless work (https://strikerless.com/ - he's actually started posting about strikerless systems in FM21 as well I noticed after I started my work) in the past.  Strikerless didn't have much love in FM19 or FM20 so it wasn't until I started thinking how I could get my striker more involved in defense that I thought to give it a try in FM21 and boy was that a big win...

    The first system I tried with good success was the following:


    I've fallen in love with the Treq role this iteration and found it did all the things I wanted from a single striker role in our system and it made sense to have that type of creative role in the center of our front 3.  It's always been SS - Creator - SS and pretty much gives you a 2 striker and 1 #10 type formation (so you can really think of the above system as a strikerless version of a 442 wide diamond).  We really had some good success with this system and it proved that strikerless is definitely a viable approach again in FM 21.


    So with the new strikerless revelation combined with our already proven 4-1-5 DM 2 AM Wide (I still laugh at that..) we went on a 23 game unbeaten tear to win the Premier League Title, win the EFL Cup, and get to the Champion's League and FA Cup finals.  This includes a 11-1 on aggregate demolishing of PSG in the Champion's league semi-finals..


    Not to shabby at all.. but I noticed that I struggled defensively against Man Utd (who we play against in the Champions League final) and had to play Liverpool in the FA Cup final and knew I needed to improve the system defensively before those two games.  It was at this point that Guido's article on strikerless about putting ball winners in midfield in his strikerless 433 gave me the inspiration I needed to create a rock solid mid block Jose Morinho style tactical style to suit our new formation.  I knew just playing with the single DLP-S in midfield was a problem I needed to solve.. 

    Ok so I need to move my ML and MR back inside to partner with my DLP-S and make us more solid centrally.. but I can't lose the support in wide areas especially during build up so I need a role that can support the fullbacks and SS when they go wide.. so I'm thinking I need a role that can exploit the half spaces.. thus the Mezzala and Carrilero are probably the best two roles to start with.  Let me introduce you to the ball winning Mezzala..


    It isn't just the role either.. it is who you play in the role because attributes are king!


    Camavinga and Kante fit the bill perfectly for what we want to do.

    So while I love the Treq role I wanted a role that would give us the defensive work rate and that we could give the close down more instruction to.  The result was the following system..


    Very solid defensively and really dynamic going forward...

    FA Cup vs. Liverpool (1-0 win)


    Champions League Final vs. Man Utd (1-0 win) - 0 shots on target and a huge xG difference and really this game shouldn't have been this close as we missed 2 counter attacks that we should have scored on



    So I think I've settled on the tactical shape that works best for our style of play (Heavy metal brazilian football) and I think we have a viable shut up shop tactical style that is good for big games and even within the tactical style has variations based on the personnel we use in each of the roles.. Hakim Ziyech plays the Mezzala very different from Camavinga so you can tailor it based on player personnel or the ideal is tactical styles.  So you can easily change just team instructions to make this a high pressing system that camps or a system that moves the ball around and keeps possession.  Still might tweak some roles and individual PIs but I think the strikerless 433 gives us a solid shape to build our future tactical plan from.

    Guess it's time to start my own thread now huh..  season 3 will be all about refining to create 2-3 tactical styles that we can use to change how the above shape operates.

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