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  1. I think it would be a great feautre to have the option to let my Assistant Manager or a selected coach to set up the set piece routines. I think it would add to the reality as I'm sure there are managers who delegate this part of the game to someone who is specialised in set pieces. There could be a new staff attribute for setting up set pieces, or a set of already existing abilities could influence this (eg. Tactical Knowledge, Judging Player Ability and maybe Data Analyzing).
  2. I wanted to try my ideas in action about implementing Klopp's Liverpool's into FM, so I just started a save with Liverpool and I think I got the positioning of players spot on with a flat 4-3-3. The tactical familiarity is still far from perfect and I only played 1 match against Man City (won 2 - 0), but if you look at the pictures below, it looks promising. Defensive shape RL vs FM You can see that the defensive shape is pretty similar, however the gap between the forwards and midfielders could be narrower in FM, I will try lowering the LOE or/and highering the DL. When Pool defends in the opposition's or middle third, the central midfielder (usually Fabinho) often steps up to close down opponents, being higher up the pitch than the two other midfielders. In FM I could achieve this by instructing Fabinho to close down more. Below an example from RL vs Barcelona, and next to it a screenshot vs ManCity where you can see that as soon as Fernandinho receives the ball, Fabinho starts his running to step further and press his opponent in the middle. Attacking A real life example already uploaded here by yonko vs FM attacking shape Fabinho coming deep to get the ball, Roberston high up the pitch on the left, TAA playing a little deeper on the right. There is a thing I really do not like in FM: I think that none of the supporting striker roles come as deep and as often as Firmino does in real life, I think SI should change the F9's off the ball movement in the ME. And I do not want to employ him in tha AMC strata,because when Pool plays a 4-3-3, out of possession and pressing, he is the upfront man, defining the LOF. Below an example of a really nice attakcing movement. My left forward's movement invites the opposition's right back inside, leaving a lot of space behind him. Fabinho plays a beautiful pass into that space, and Robertson runs onto it, then whips in a cross, and then Salah just have to tap it in. Goal. And an example of an high press transition: Here we press aggressively, my left sided forward (it would be Mané, but in this case it's Origi) comes deep to help out my carrilero (Wijnaldum), they both press B. Silva, they get the ball, and pass it forward instantly for Salah, who then scores from a 1on1 situation. TACTIC The tactic below is not the final version, this is just a first one I tried. I was really happy with the roles, duties, positioning and off the ball movement of the players, with one exception that I have already mentioned: Firmino. He just does not come as deep and as often as I'd like him to. It's also worth mentioning that Pool does not play the whole 90 minutes counterpressing and attacking, they do so periodically. Sometimes they slow down a little bit (well, slow down compared to themselves) and use a middle press, so it is impossible to copy their gameplan into one set of mentality and team instructions. I focus on implementing their 4-3-3 defensive shape (I know that is not the only one defensive shape they use in RL) and general attacking movement. Added Player Instructions: TAA: cross more often Henderson: stay wider Fabinho: close down more Mané: move into channels, roam from position Firmino: close down more It may look surprising to use Mané es a PF, but it really did work well with the added PIs. In RL he really does a lot of work defensively, and that suits the PF. In this match he sometimes drifted wide, sometimes moved into the channels, somtimes made runs onto throughballs, sometimes came deep, and he often helped out defensively. I will look into experimenting with different Out Of Possession instructions and maybe adding Shorter Passes coupled with Be More Expressive and Higher Tempo (altough higher tempo may not be necessary with an attacking mentality.)
  3. IMO in a patient, short passing approach it is more than welcome to have a player (a good passer) in midfield who is ready to make more risky, penetrative, longer passes. However, you have to take into account many things, not just player traits, because a lot of things can encourage players to make more direct passes, and if all of these things stack up, it may lead to too many risky passes, you have to strike a balance. The following things (I may miss some) encourage longer, riskier passes: 1) There are player traits that suit this: - likes to switch ball to other flank - tries killer balls often - tries long range passes 2) There are midfield roles that are more likely to make a greater variety of passes by default - every playmaking role (DLP, AP, Reg, Tre, Eng) - mezzala on attack duty is more likely to make riskier passes 3) Player Instructions: - more direct passes - more risky passes 4) Mentality: - more attacking mentalities encourage riskier passes 5) Team Iinstructions - Pass Into Space - Be More Expressive (players are more likely to think outside of the instructions and are more likely to use their player traits) For example, in your tactic, if we take your TIs (Be More Expressive) and Mentality (Positive), and you have a playmaking role, and that playmaker has 1 or 2 player traits from the mentioned ones, than that would be enough I think, and I would not add the 'more direct' passes PI. However, if your playmaker and Mez does not have any trait, than I would suggest experimenting with either 'more direct passes' to the playmaker, or adding 'more risky passes' to the Mez (since in Barcelona he is likely to have good passing skills). Watch the matches and passing statistics, if you see that your desired player's passing percentage is too low, chances are that he makes too many risky passes. On the other hand, if his passing percentage is near 100%, but does not make any key passes, he may be playing it too safe (or has no good passing options). The combination of Work Ball Into Box and Be More Expressive is very welcome, at Barca you have players who benefit from these TIs. I would suggest some minor changes to the player roles and TIs. Currently on your right side none of your players provide width, because of this I would swap the FB and IWB, since on your left side the Winger already provides width. Your IF on the right is cutting inside, so it makes sense to use a FB or WB on his side. I would swap the Mez and DLP and woud use the Mez on attack duty. Why? Since your Mez is likely to get further forward and the Winger is also in the final third, and IWB would provide better coverage behind them. And maybe would use the DLP as a RPM or AP(s). I would change Busquets to a DM(s). With an IWB on defend duty and a support duty FB/WB on the other hand, using an Anchorman would be too conservative, at Barce you can take more risks. I would add Overlap Ti to the left side. I just love the IWB role with the Overlap instruction, it adds greater variety. This way playing out from the back the IWB stays narrow, but when the ball is already in the final third, he is more likely to drift wide and provide a passing option behind narrow the defences. The IWB's position on the field is also just simply better with the Overlap TI in my opinion, he stays a little wider than an IWB by default. This is an example how I would set it up with making minimal changes to your set of roles: --------------DLF(a)-------------- W(s)-------------------------IF(a) ------Mez(a)--DLP(s)---------- --------------DM(s)-------------- IWB(d)-BPD---BPD----WB(s) added TI: - overlap left I hope my advices were useful.
  4. I've watched a lof of liverpool games paying particular attention to their defensive shape, and I think that they definitely play with a flat midfield 3 with three man in the CM strata. In the heart of the midfield, usually Fabinho, acts as a deep lying playmaker (maybe not a playmaker but definitely a role that comes deep to get the ball), often dropping deep to get the ball when the team are in possession. In possession he is the deepest of the midfield three, playing like he was playing in the DM strata, I think that is why most people think the midfield consists of 1 DM and 2 CMs. But when the team are out of possession, Fabinho is in line with the other 2 midfielders (well, at least most of the time), or, when pressing, sometimes even positioned slightly higher than the other two. In FM, defensively, a DM does not behave like that, you can only achieve this kind of defensive shape with a flat midfield three. Here is a detailed analysis of liverpool's defensive shape and pressing if you are interested: https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/05/09/liverpools-pressing-system/ Here are some examples of Liverpool's defensive shape to provide evidence:
  5. Example: I put one of my players - valued 9M, clubs already interested in him - to the Unwanted List, and instructed my Director of Football (who has good attributes) to sell for half value. My DOF said that my player failed to attract offers for half value (4.5M). Then I took charge of selling this player, and offered him to clubs for 10 million. And voilá, clubs offered me 10M, and I could sell him for more than his value. I really would like to use a DOF in my gameplay for these purposes, it would feel more realistic, but TBH, a DOF is currently useless for selling players. Should I report this as a bug, do others have the same experience?
  6. I currently have a very well working 4-2-3-1 with DMs. Note that I created this tactic to suit my squad (Auxerre) and the style of play I wanted to achieve, it may not produce the same kind of results with other teams. In my first season I won Ligue 2 (was predicted 6th), and now straight after promotion, after 11 games in Ligue 1, we are currently 2nd (predicted 20th). Here is the base tactic, but sometimes I make small adjustment during matches. In Ligue 2 I usually started with Positive mentality, now in Ligue 1 I always start with Balanced mentality. The Base Tactic: Player Instructions are essential to this tactic. PIs: - actually it is a TI, but it is not visible on the picture: My GK is instructed to distribute to our left FB - all of the defenders and the VOL are instructed to pass it shorter. - right FB: sit narrower, pass it shorter - right CB: pass it shorter - left CB: sit wider, pass it shorter - left FB: stay wider, pass it shorter - DM: hold position - VOL: move into channels, close down more, tackle harder, get further forward, pass it shorter (this one also depends on the passing quality of the player playing this role) - WM: stay wider - IW: more risky passes, sit narrower, roam from position Idea behind the tactic and how it works: We build up play from the back with short simple passes, usually on the left side of the pitch, and when the ball reaches the IW or the AP, they either switch the ball to the right wing for our WM, or play a through ball for our Advance Forward, or play it to our overlapping left back. Our DM alse make a lot of key passes from deeper positions, in this role I look for a player who is suited to be a DLP. Our Volante is the athlete in the team, arrives late in the opponent area, and when defending, he acts like a BWM, while the DM holds his defensive position. At the back, our right FB - instructed to sit narrower -, the right CB, and the left CD - instructed to stay wider - form a solid back three when we are in possession. When the opposition prevents short GK distribution, they don't allow my GK to distribute to the left FB, but this creates a trap for my opposition: my left FB still comes near the GK to receive the ball, and the opposition's right winger follows him closely. But this creates a gap behind their right winger, and my GK is usually clever enough to pass the pall into that area where my IW receives the ball, and instantly he has options to penetrate the space behind the opposition's defence with a well executed pass. I do NOT use the Play Out of Defence TI to achieve this kind of movement. Even without the POOD TI my defenders and GK pass it short most of the time. I often tick the Regroup TI, especially when playing against a strong team, or we are leading. Sometimes I play my AP on attack duty - this way our defence is slightly more vulnerable in the centre, the opposition has more space in front of my DMs, but our AP is in a slightly better position for a quick counter. Occasionly I also play my Volante on Attack duty.
  7. But what if, for example, the opposition's left back is superior to Rashford in terms of ability and is played on defend duty, while, on the other hand, their right back could be more exploited. And at the same time, you would have a squad that is more suited to overload the left, so all of your wingers would be right footed, and all of your right backs would be more suited to play as IWBs and all of your left backs would more suited to play as WBs. Would you mirror your tactic (overload right flank, exploit left) in the expense of players not perfectly suited to their roles, or would you rather stick to your original tactic?
  8. 'Likes to beat his man repeatedly' - does that mean the player constantly tries to dribble past the opposition player he faces? Or do I misinterpret it? 'Likes to have ball played to his feet' - I wonder if this trait affects how his teammates play. I mean, if a player has this trait, are his teammates more likely to pass the ball to his feet, rather than a through ball, or to his head? Or is it just something like "Well, I woud have preferred if you passed the ball to my feet, but OK, I'm not the manager to tell you where to pass the ball." ? Or is the player with this trait less likely to run onto through balls?
  9. @sporadicsmiles, how do you create pressing traps in FM? I've tried implementing pressing traps into FM with more or less success, but I was not completely satisfied. You may have a better way creating them. I'm really curious, thanks in advance!
  10. I've watched a lof of liverpool games paying particular attention to their defensive shape, and I think that they definitely play with a flat midfield 3 with three man in the CM strata. In the heart of the midfield, usually Fabinho, acts as a deep lying playmaker, often dropping deep to get the ball when the team are in possession. In possession he is the deepest of the midfield three, kinda playing like he was playing in the DM strata, I think that is why most people think the midfield consists of 1 DM and 2 CMs. But when the team are out of possession, Fabinho is in line with the other 2 midfielders (well, at least most of the time), or, when pressing, sometimes even positioned slightly higher than the other two. In FM, defensively, a DM does not behave like that, you can only achieve this kind of defensive shape with a flat midfield three. Here is a detailed analysis of liverpool's defensive shape and pressing if you are interested: https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/05/09/liverpools-pressing-system/ Here are some examples of Liverpool's defensive shape to provide evidence:
  11. As I've already said, I agree that it is the correct movement for Inside Forwards and Raumdauters in AMRL positions, but I think that does not mean that every role should play like that in the AMRL strata. And as @Mbianco has explained it, when City plays with a left footed player on the right (Mahrez or Bernardo Silva), that player usually stays wide even when the ball in the final third, and when he receives the ball, then he cuts inside with tha ball at his feet. IMO that is how an Inverted Winger should play. My example with the picture was really not the best one, because I was in a rush and had no time to look for examples, but here are some better ones. This first picture is a perfect example what Mbianco talked about: City attacking down the right, the ball is already in the final third. RW (Bernardo Silva) staying wide, so that n8 (De Bruyne) has more space. When RW receives tha ball out wide, only then he starts to cut inside with the ball at his feet. In all of those examples a left footed right winger hugs the touchline and provides the width, the fullback behind him plays more centrally and is not ready to overlap in an instant. PS: I hope you take this as a constructive discussion, I do not want any of you to take this as a personal attack on your opinion, all of us has pros and cons, I may be right, I may be wrong.
  12. As I've said, for the Inside Forwards I also think that is the correct movement, and yes, City's wingers often end up inside the box, especially Sterling, but not always. and not both of them, usually one of them holds his position out wide much longer than the ME currently allows. Let me show you an example. (This is just a first picture I've found as I have no time to search for more examples, I could come up with a better one, eg. I remember one where Sané or Sterling hugged the touchline on the left wing in a match, even when the ball was already around/inside the penalty area) Here you can see that one of the winger targets the box (LW), while the RW holds his position out wide.
  13. I guess/hope that in FM20 the positioning/off the ball movement of Inverted Wingers in AMRL starata will be different to Inside Forwards. In the current ME players in the AML/R strata always tend to position themselves between the lines of the area when the ball is in the final third/opposition half, narrowing the width, making it harder to open up compact defenses. I think it is kinda the correct movement for the Inside Forwads - they are called forwards for a reason, trying to get into the box. But the Winger/Inverted Winger role should play differently, because they are called wingers for a reason, too! In the MLR strata the IW and Winger stay wide for a long time, even when the ball is already in the final third, they should behave similarly when played in the AMRL strata. SI already confirmed here that they are aware of this false behaviour of wingers in the AMLR strata and are looking into this. Man City is a perfect real life example if you watch a lot of their matches. For example Mahrez usually hugs the touchline, making space for a Mezzala in the half space, even when the ball is already in the final third, and when he receives the ball out wide, only then starts he to drift inside with the ball at his feet, I think he is a perfect example for an Inverted Winger in the AMR position. While Sterling on the other hand, usually tries to get into the box with his off the ball movement, playing more like an Inside Forward/Raumdauter.
  14. I've just listened to a podcast where a video analyst and a scout from a Hungarian club were asked how they would start searching for a player if the manager of the club is looking for a certain type/position. And they said that the first thing they would do is just open InStat where they have access to statistics and information about 960 000 players all over the world and use some filters to reduce the number of the possible transfer targets, just like we do it in FM (of course instead of attributes they use different kind of statistics and information as filters). After they reduced it to 5-6 players, they would start scouting them. I also read that some clubs literally use Football Manager's database when searching for players. Considering this turning attribute masking off is more realistic than turning it on.
  15. All I really want is a better ME coupled with improved AI that would represent real life football statistics better, especially when AI plays against AI. A lot of issues have already been discussed in other threads about the ME, and this is not the topic for discussing all those issues, but now I would like to highlight only one complex issue that has already been acknowedged by SI and I would be really really happy if in FM20 I could see some progression towards solving it. It's about how the current ME does not represent the dominance of AI big teams in terms of possession. In FM if you look through the statistics in top leagues, you are likely to see that in terms of possession, it does not represent the domination of big teams, I have seen that teams like Bayern, Barcelona, etc. sometimes finish the season with an average possession of around 50% or even lower than 50%(!!!). In order to solve this the ME needs better representation of pressing among other things, for example I think that the AI-Manager attributes don't always match how they should play in the ME.
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