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So did you start creating this in FM23 and then roll over the file to the FM24 editor? Or did you actually recreate it from scratch in the FM24 editor? If rolling it over, how did that work out for you? What kinks did you hit? Have there been any bugs? Also, how did you change the footballing importance for each country? Is that "game importance" under each respective nation in the editor? (Never thought of this. Love it.) I was building a similar league in FM23 with all Irish, N. Irish, Scottish, and Welsh teams (albeit with three national divisions at the 3rd and 4th tiers) but ran into a lot of bugs and then problems with a Leagues Cup style mid-season tournament (which I won't try again). I've been wondering whether I should try taking that edit into the FM24 editor. (Alternately, I might just play yours! Although I'm obsessive in my view that football should be played in the summer in the British Isles and Ireland. It's cold and wet in winter, beautiful in summer.) Obviously, I love what you've done here. I'm curious as to your experience on the questions above.

Hey, thanks a bunch, guys. I did some more testing and found something I missed earlier: It works after the first season, which I can accept. So your logic is absolutely sound, and it plays out the way you're saying. Sorry that I didn't see that earlier. Separate but related -- @rusty217 The idea of moving the setup date to July makes perfect sense. Thanks for playing with it! I'll try it. Separately (but possibly related), I've had to move the tournament up about two weeks earlier, or else it runs into conflicts with the EPL (and UEFA competition) schedules and the invitational ends up postponing matches until like September. (Essentially, I think this invitational cup works as long as it's basically a preseason tournament for EPL clubs.) I've yet to test how well that fix works, as I've been traveling the last week. Also, yes, I have added some other pools of teams to add as backups for England getting a higher coefficient. First I have the four Breton & Galician teams, then more (see below), then another pool of random teams consisting of two 2nd tier teams from Brittany and Galicia (Guingamp and Deportivo Lugo) and then another random team pool of league champs whose season starts in August/September (Belgium, Denmark). @themodelcitizen Fully on board with your thinking. I have the top Cornish team (Truro) and Isle of Man FC in the leagues (Welsh leagues, specifically), so they can win promotion to the top tier and play in the competition. I also tried your suggestion on putting Halifax Wanderers in the team pool (with winners of MLS and Australia), but I eventually took them out because the prospect of them getting a home match kind of messes with things. (That could never happen in a real tourney with four-day breaks between matches, given travel.) The alternative home stadium is an interesting suggestion though, so I'll probably test it. (I can see it running into conflict with different teams wanting the same stadium for a game at the same time though. I haven't figured out how to stagger game days/times in the same stage, like the World Cup does. I think it's offset dates, but I want to actually try/share the league sometime this year. ) If it works, I can do this with the MLS/CPL clubs too and pull them back in. I'll post the final league file once I work out the last bug(s) and do another long-term test. Currently deciphering Northern Ireland's insistence on sending some of their clubs' reserve/U18 teams to NIFL leagues. Hopefully that's the last step. Thanks again! Very grateful for the help.

This advice is gold, @rusty217. It solves an issue I had too that I thought I just had to accept (w/ Ireland's qualification spots), so I'm trying it myself. Thanks for sharing!

So, it turns out this isn't working. For this setup, it fails to call the EPL clubs. I get an error saying it only has 20 of 32 required teams. (I think it's calling the 16 Irish/Scottish/Welsh clubs and 4 other Breton/Galician clubs in a team pool I set.) Alternatives return other errors. I've tried with a few: Doing it exactly as you described, with get best teams in competition. Switching to get best, all, or random teams from division. Selecting the nation (England) for the Europe leagues to ignore or leaving it clear. Setting the nation for ignoring one UEFA league (UEFA Conference) or Europa/Champions and leaving the others clear. (Conference verifies, but still with Europe teams. The others don't.) I'm able to verify the competitions with some of these alternatives, but they still all call the teams in Europe (Man City, Liverpool, etc.) that I want to exclude. Verified file attached. Any thoughts? @themodelcitizen @rusty217 After starting from scratch twice due to the Europa League bug, I'm accepting this year's editor is just a mess since the updates. (I'm also trying to get it to set all group stage games at home stadiums for the host nation -- I can do this in knockout stages -- but I can't find an option for that.) Still, I figured it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks a bunch for the help. z - Celtic Leagues - basic 2.69.fmf

How do you set the equivalent of draw rules for a group stage? In cup stages, under Rounds, there's an option in Draw Rules to set it so that teams not based in the competition's nation should be drawn away. I'm trying to do that through an entire World Cup style of tournament, so I need it in the group stage too. Unfortunately, I can't find that option anywhere in the group stage. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Check this out: Europa League 2021 rules: Europa League 2024 rules: Note the "All Qualified Teams Play in Competition" box. I wonder if I just need to check it. So ... me being no expert at this -- How do I edit Continental Rules in such a way that it interacts with my Nation Rules that I'm having trouble with? I'll test it, if I can learn how, and share continue sharing here what I find.

More thoughts: I wonder if the problem could be connected to the change in Europa League rules in 2024. There are two unique sets of rules for Europa League in Advanced Rules, one for 2021, another for 2024. There are multiple bug reports about the Europa League ceasing to exist in later saves. The editor is not reading the 21 registered teams when populating the Europa League's group stage (stage 3). One registered team (Hearts) was from the leagues I edited for my own project, while two were from the leagues affected by the BeneLiga custom database I also tested with changes. I cleared the database changes on Hearts to see if it made a difference (had to remove them from a division to set them back to Scotland). It had no apparent effect. (I also tried clearing the registered teams, just for the heck of it, and that did nothing productive either, which admittedly I expected.) I've started messing with the final step you recommended, @Wolf_pd, but I'm nowhere near through it yet. There's a difference in the Advanced Rules between Europa and Champions Leagues: Under Teams/Qualified Teams, the first box is not checked for All Qualified Teams Play in Competition for Europa League, but it is for Champions League. Could this be the problem? Anyone else have any thoughts or progress? @nine_iron? @MichielVM? @MRC? @BlackFerdinand? (Note: I'd love to see the Cambs/Lincs database working. I just moved from Lincs to Cambs, traded one promoted team in my last town for one relegated in the new town. )

Me too, but I've pissed away all my expensive and intelligent observations by smacking my head against this wall otherwise known as the FM23 Editor! And yeah. I think SI broke something.

Another test: I downloaded the merged Belgium-Dutch league here: I loaded the original FM23 database (not the updates), then the data file for the BeneLiga. All files began as verified. I then went in and edited the league to make it so each game wasn't decided by penalties. (A fun wrinkle, I'm sure, but not one I wanted to play.) Then I tested and got the same Europa League error. Penny for your thoughts, @Wolf_pd or anyone else who's interested. (Side note: It appears that most successful league files available for download here date back to the few months after FM23's release. Possibly relevant.)

Sure, I was working with Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Wales. When I ran into the error with Scotland nation rules, I was pretty close to done with my editing. After I started over again using Ireland nation rules, I hit the error again during early tests of the leagues but before I got to editing the cups and cleaning out excess files from the rules. So there's still editing to do on that. If you're curious, I've attached the most recent files for each of them. Notes on the files: Celtic Leagues 1.482: This is the earlier attempt, using Scotland nation rules. Ireland test 1.28: This is the second test, using Ireland nation rules, and it's right before I deleted the Europa League. Ireland test 1.29: Same project with Ireland nation rules, just after I deleted the Europa League. Thanks for taking a crack at this. I'm up for helping test and figure it out, but I'm not sure I have it in me to edit all those nations' cups due to the amount of time and level of expertise it probably takes, so I'm hopeful we can figure out a quicker way. (Note: My level editing is probably intermediate. I understand the Advanced Rules, but I'm no expert.) 1. Ireland test 1.28 - delete comps.fmf a - Celtic Leagues 1.482 - test Europa League fix.fmf 1. Ireland test 1.29 - Europa test.fmf

I've started testing the solution suggested by @Wolf_pd. Step 1 worked: Deleting the Europa League resulted in me being able to verify rules for the top division. I have questions on step 2. So you're saying to edit a second file with an active Europa League that I can load into the game when I load my own competitions? What's the most efficient way to replace all references to the old Europa League with a new one? Are you suggesting that I manually add new rules for every nation, or is this just with one file of Continental Cup Rules that has a new Europa League? Thanks!

I'm thinking of throwing the Cornish teams in with Wales. Isle of Man FC too. Top Breton, Galician, and (yes) English teams would be invited for a one month cup modeled on the Leagues Cup between Liga MX and MLS.

Is it a good idea to create a parent competition of other parent competitions? What do you gain/lose by doing it? Here's the pyramid I'm building. My questions pertain to Tier 4. Tier 1: Celtic Nations Premier League (teams from Scotland, Wales, all Ireland) Tier 2: Celtic Nations Unified League (same) Tier 3: Separate child leagues for Scotland, Wales, all-Ireland, under one parent competition Tier 4: Parent competition: Celtic Nations Regional Leagues (4th tier of unified Celtic Nations pyramid) | | | Parent: Scottish Leagues Parent: Irish Leagues Parent: Welsh Leagues | | | Child: Highland League Child: N. Ireland League Child: Cymru North Child: Lowland League Child: Irish Republic League Child: Cymru South I know that I can make those child competitions all part of one parent competition, with separate promotion/relegation paths, because I've done it before. I'm wondering if it's better to completely separate them with the parent of a parent model, in the hopes that it somehow minimizes the number of Irish/Welsh/etc. teams playing in Scottish/etc. leagues at some point. (Promotion and relegation always does that at some point.) Any thoughts? Thanks so much.

Has anyone come up with a confirmed solution to this? I have the same error. In my Nation Rules, I see only two references to Europa League. I've tested the rules with each line deleted, and it's not made a difference. I don't see what might be impacting the Europa League. I've attached my file (in progress) if anyone wants to look. Any thoughts? a - Celtic Leagues 1.48 - test Europa League fix.fmf

@Dave Fairbairn If you're still willing, I'd love to see that file. Can you please share? I'm creating a similar cup for FM23, albeit I'm separately also pulling the Irish, N. Irish, and Welsh teams into the Scottish leagues (to make a Celtic nations pyramid) and then inviting guest teams for the cup (EPL, teams from other Celtic regions like Galicia and Brittany). Thanks!