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  1. Roam from position was already in previous FMs (with a different name) and is not that. It makes a player moves away from his position, but not to swap with another one. For example, it doesn't make a left central midfielder go to the right sector (even close to the line) to get the ball. Which was a pretty useful thing for playmakers, to get away from tight markings.
  2. Oh And anyone know why did that happen? Was pretty useful, and is something that happens every day in real life football.
  3. Is there any way to make a striker swap his position with a winger? Or two midfielders swaping?
  4. Never seen Van Gaal mad because some player was out of his position? LoL Even critizing him in public because he wasn't positionally disciplined? That happened between him and a Ballon D'Or winner. You don't tell the exact meters, there are lots of team whose formation is clearly seen every time. You see always midfielder perfectly staggered, having always clear triangles drawn with every 3 players. That's made telling every player exactly where you want him. You don't say someone "I want you close to strikers", but "I want you always 20 or 30 meters deeper than the strikers, and always at the right side and higher than the DMC, but deeper then the left midfielder... ".
  5. Actually they do. It's called "positional football", being Louis Van Gaal its biggest defender. Dutch school since Rinus Michels, and nowadays "Barça school". That's also why some great players fail to accommodate to Barcelona style (Yaya Toure, Ibrahimovic), while young players who learned in Barça school fit seamlessly (even the less talented like Isaac Cuenca or Jonathan Dos Santos).
  6. Is what the clip shows, but that seems to be done with LF/RF who never cross, neither cut inside. Seriously, no one here has ever tried wide wingers close to the line that never cross? I usually don't allow anyone in my whole team cross (love short-technically gifted strikers), or make long shots. And not so many to run with the ball.
  7. I've seen nearly every Barcelona match since Rijkaard arrived (pre season included), and Barcelona has used wingers several times. Barcelona in season 2011-2012 used them as wingers. Guardiola played most of the season using a 3-4-3/3-3-4 with two extremely wide players that rarely cut inside, and rarely crossed the ball. They weren't inside forwards. They didn't cut inside. They were always close to the line. Only thing is they didn't acted like a classic winger, they were somehow "pushpin" players. Their main duty was to make the field wide, receive the ball and then hold it until a midfielder or attacking midfielder arrived unmarked. One manager even make jokes about how boring the game should be for those two players, after a match where Isaac Cuenca (left winger that day) received like 30 times wide, and every single time he held the ball until some defender came for him, and then passed back the ball to a midfielder. He never tried to progress inside the area and only crossed like once. Why? Because that wasn't part of the plan. His job (the same for Adriano, who was playing in the opposite side) was to make the opposite defensive line wider, so there was some space between the defenders. That season Messi wasn't usually the striker. Messi played closer to a classic 10, while Alexis or Cesc acted as strikers. Wingers didn't cut inside, because there was a striker. A clear example was the 1-3 against Real Madrid in the Santiago Bernabeu. After two minutes Guardiola turned his initial 4-3-3 into a 3-4-3, where Alexis played as striker, Dani Alves as right winger (not inside forward, not wing back, was a clear attacking winger) and if I recall correctly Iniesta as left winger. There's even a conference where Guardiola explained that in Argentina. He explained that his mantra was to create space in the center. That everything he did (using wingers, using Alexis as Striker, closing with 3...) was aimed to give some space to Messi.
  8. Last 4 years Barcelona wingers have always been in line with opposite d-line. That is exactly the effect of the FL/FR position in the ME. Last season they spent some months at the beginning playing like this: Two midfielders, two attacking midfielders and two wingers, being those the most advanced players, always in line with the d-line and trying to break offside trap. It wasn't a line of 4 attacking midfielders, neither Messi and Cesc were midfielders. Most straightforward way to emulate that would be 2 midfielders, 2 attacking midfielders an FL and an FR. Anyway Barcelona is not normal. Does lots of "peculiar" things to accommodate a lot of technically gifted players (and I bet Bayern Munchen will start doing peculiar things too, like having Lahm as a DMC, because Guardiola is pretty imaginative). But I think those things should be expected, considering is one of the top clubs of the world.
  9. Usually Barcelona wingers would be there. Some other teams in Spain also play sometimes having their wingers higher than their central striker. I've been using that positions regularly since FM2007. It's really good to recover the ball higher in the pitch in very offensive formations when the opposite team tries to start playing using its full backs. Also it's pretty useful when you have a striker that plays like a playmaker. Keeps opposite defensive line deep, and usually breaks offside trap making full backs and center backs not being aligned. That's something I've seen lots of times using those positions: Center backs try to close down strikers/attacking midfielders, but full backs stay deep because of the wingers higher position, and then a hole in the center of the defense line appears. Works like charm with a fast striker.* *Funny thing is wingers are only being used to "be there", they don't do anything besides being a threat.
  10. This is one thing I saw in Spanish league. A team (Barcelona) was attacking with a really wide formation, wingers where really close to the line, trying to make the opposite defense (Sevilla) to be wide. What did Sevilla do? Ignored that. Make a 4 men extremely narrow and extremely deep defense line (like having 4 center backs) and let Barcelona wingers (at that momment Isaac Cuenca and Adriano, if I recall correctly) have the ball all they want and make all the crosses they wanted. They never tried to recover it in the flanks. Sevilla also didn't make its own wingers come deep, but keep them higher, to push Barcelona full backs back. The result? It become a winner strategy. Barcelona wingers had the ball lots of time, but were unable to dribble through the extremely populated Sevilla area, and crossing the ball was futile. Having a fixed defensive wide in that case was the right thing to do. Is this a general case? No. Sevilla manager exploited the fact that Barcelona wingers that day where pretty limited players and that Barcelona crossings are usually futile. But I think we should be able to do it if we think is the right thing to do.
  11. Is it possible to have a high deffensive line with low closing down? I know it may sound a bad idea (indeed I think it is), but is a situation I've seen some times. A team set it's line extremely high (close to midfield) when they didn't have the ball, but didn't go for the ball, but formed a really short defensive block around the midfield. Can you have "anti-mentality" players? I mean, like defensive strikers who come deep (even deeper than some midfielders) to get the ball, or offensive center backs who make forward runs to be at finishing positions, or try to dribble Lucio style, in defensive formations, etc...
  12. Yeah, FC. I was thinking in spanish (DC - Delantero Centro). But you are right, this is quite offtopic.
  13. Needs so much tweaking that are no longer "Simple TC tactics" but "über tweaked TC tactics", and make shouts useless. Building them is so similar to using classical tactics that, for that case, the TC is useless. Just having a "free" DC who comes really deep for the ball, holds it and acts somehow as a playmaker inside an offensive team, is something I've never been able to make in the TC, except if I tweak nearly everything in that particular player. You may say that's a Trequartista, but is "too ofensive" and tends to risk the ball too much. If I want time for the rest of the team go higher in the field, I need him to keep it safe for a while. For this particular case I've found that what works better is "low mentality+mid-high creative freedom+ultra short passing+no pressing+no run forward+sometimes run the with the ball+no long shots+sometimes try through balls+no crossing+freedom of movement+hold the ball"(the related PPM is also pretty important), which I don't think can't be obtained through the TC in any kind of offensive formation. That's just a particular example, but there are lots. Like, for example, ultra wide formations focused on the center, where you play wide to make the opposite defense to defend wide and create space in the center. That needs tweaking that invalidates a couple of shouts.
  14. Simple TC tactics don't allow lots of the things one may want to do. Even combined with shouts. And tend to be "very English".
  15. 100% agree in those. Happens every match. Also I think headings and goalkeeper rebounds are go too far. I've seen plenty of 50-70 meters rebounds and that's not by any meaning something you see in real life. A ball that hits the goalkeeper and then goes 70 meters away would most likely injure the keeper. Also is extremely frustrating to see players with first touch and technique from 15-19 to fail a bunch of mega-easy receptions every match, causing lots of counter attacks. That also doesn't happen in real life. And decision making has been a bit screwed from FM12. Even players with really high decisions attribute (and players with all mental attributes high) have a really low good/bad rate. I'm also seeing my wingers, with RwB set to "sometimes", trough balls to "always", and crosses to "always" not try a single through ball or cross in a match, but try to make lots of 50-70 meters runs. I'm finding pretty common to see them running from one wing to the opposite while ignoring lots of other options. And I don't know why, but wingers and full backs tend to ignore my target man. Last match one of my full backs tried 15 crossings, and only one was aiming to my tall target man. The others where always aiming the short second striker, or my short attacking wingers. Making those crosses useless.
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