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We even beat Arsenal and Man City at home and were never really thrashed too.

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On 22/03/2022 at 22:32, Johnny Ace said:

You've done really well there @trueblue9877

You do find in some leagues, there's an out and favourite that walks the league and no matter how well you do, you just can't better them 

I wanted the tactic to be tested on a team with incredibly low odds so I used Norwich (1000-1) but in 34 games we have 48 points and are comfortably in mid table so I think I have finally broken through.

 

I think that is about as good as it would get for them with their current squad.

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I also changed the AP (s) to CM (S) which I think is helping us defensively but it might be a better squad because our league winning odds are 3-1 now instead of the usual 300-1.

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On 21/03/2022 at 14:13, Johnny Ace said:

That looks fine, nothing terribly wrong with, just be aware you could be vulnerable down the left, but every set up will have it's weaknesses. I'm still not sold on the tight marking but you seem to like it, I just see it as something that would go hand in hand with defensive tactic. You could even afford to have your right FB on Attack to add another dimension do your attack

This was surprising, we are stuck here

 

 

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On 21/03/2022 at 14:13, Johnny Ace said:

That looks fine, nothing terribly wrong with, just be aware you could be vulnerable down the left, but every set up will have it's weaknesses. I'm still not sold on the tight marking but you seem to like it, I just see it as something that would go hand in hand with defensive tactic. You could even afford to have your right FB on Attack to add another dimension do your attack

I switched the CM (A) to a BBM and it has been working well so far, we played against Blackpool who were 3rd in League One at the time, and we are in the VNS so that's like a 3 league difference but it was only 1-0 and close on XG.

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We are expected to finish 11th but could get promoted again.

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This is what it looks like now.

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3 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

Like @Mr_Demussays, you could ditch the AP(S) just for a simple CM(S), if he's getting a lot of the ball, he might not good enough to make things happen.

Like you say, you got promoted when you shouldn't have, just stay up and build 

It was impossible  to stay up, everything stopped  working. 

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On 19/03/2022 at 17:56, Johnny Ace said:

It could just be that, I can see your fullbacks are both one and two star rated, one IF is two star, so take the league position and strengthen as much as you can each window  

Hi, I ended up being promoted but upon reaching the VNL I just couldn't compete anymore, any suggestions? 

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1 hour ago, Johnny Ace said:

It could just be that, I can see your fullbacks are both one and two star rated, one IF is two star, so take the league position and strengthen as much as you can each window  

Ok we recovered and are in 4th place in February, it must have been the problem with the FBs.

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2 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

How's your tactic looking now @trueblue9877?

We're not doing so good anymore, there are plenty of missed opportunities, the XG table says I should be in the top half of the table but just many dropped games where we won on XG sometimes significantly, but still overperforming expectations of the board so can't complain I guess, the tactic looks like this.

I'll try and get better players and let you know how the second season goes. 

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On 17/03/2022 at 09:01, Johnny Ace said:

Yeah, looks fine, remove the CP and I'd check the frontline,  think of switching the wide players' duties ie. W(A) & IF(S)

Hi again, thanks for all the help but I have noticed that my team is always getting screwed out of games in XG?

 

Is there anything I can do about this? 

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5 hours ago, HanziZoloman said:

@Johnny Ace and @trueblue9877 thanks for this topic and help. I put my IFs on stay wider which gave my MCa enough room for three goals

It's good that this thread was able to help someone else too! I always wanted to help others.

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This one. 

2 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

It's alright 

Which tactic is that? You've posted a few up now, in either case, I'd only recommend using Counter Press if you're a top top team or playing against a team a league or two below you ie you're a heavy favourite 

Not at al, he'll spring a few surprises on teams  It's a fantastic role and you've hit the nail on the head, having an in cutting wide player of his side of the pitch can hinder him getting into the box, the way you have it will give him the best opportunity to score goals  

This tactic.

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2 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

You did fantastic then!! Recruit well in the summer and push on. End of season collapse can happen, I think the amount of games catches up on the players 

I'd keep the CM(A) is he's returning well for you, you're giving him the space to get forward with your winger on the 

Not to bombard you  with too many questions  but do you think the tactic with the "positive" mentality is viable for a team with odds like I had in Serie A if I changed the roles like you suggested and with counter press removed?

Because it was a pretty consistent tactic even when I had odds of 350-1 I could still get a solid mid table finish consistently, even after a promotion season to VNL as Slough Town but I think when my odds got much worse (1000-1)  as Pordenone that was a bridge too far for it without  the tweaks as like you said and I have seen AF(A) and IF (A) aren't  the best pairing or the effective CM on attack and a FB (S) on that side.

The CM (A) is amazing because I had never been able to get that to work before, probably because I was pairing that side with a WB (S) or using it on a side with an IF but do you think using a CM (A) On positive as a team with odds as low as 1000-1 would be pushing it too far?

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We were expected to finish 19th.

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1 hour ago, Johnny Ace said:

They didn't deserve to put 6 past you, 2.41XG with 0.7 of that being a penalty

Away at Pompey isn't an easy game either

Go up with the same approach that got you there I say. It did alright for Leeds last season  

We ended the season with a May / April collapse so we missed the playoffs, however it was still a good season.

Do you think using a BBM instead of CM ( A) would make us more solid or should I keep doing what I am doing because we should have finished 4th and got a lot of goals from that CM, he got 16 goals.

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8 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

They didn't deserve to put 6 past you, 2.41XG with 0.7 of that being a penalty

Away at Pompey isn't an easy game either

Go up with the same approach that got you there I say. It did alright for Leeds last season  

Back when they could defend, this season their defending was like Kamikaze defending, just running around out there.

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1 minute ago, trueblue9877 said:

Thanks it has been working well so far the XG totals have been really good and we are in 3rd place, somehow lost 6-1 to Portsmouth in the FA Cup though

What changes do you think I need to make for playing against stronger teams especially if I get promoted to the NVL, thanks for all the help!

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14 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

How's that doing for you now? Can see you're 7th so you're doing well

Don't see a problem with playing out from defense, you have a DM so shouldn't come unstuck too often

Tighter marking I'm not sure on

Thanks it has been working well so far the XG totals have been really good and we are in 3rd place, somehow lost 6-1 to Portsmouth in the FA Cup though.

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33 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

Think of the Salah and Firmino partnership, Salah is more or less the number 9 coming from wide, Firmino as the number 10, starting high and dropping deep. Similar at Real with Ronaldo & Benzema, Benzema was up front but his main job was to roam around and hold off defenders to help Ronaldo, the main goal scoring threat from wide

Think of the roles in simple terms:

DLF(A) - creator, scorer

DLF(S) - creator

IF(A) - creator, scorer

IF(S) - creator

IF(A) are also more willing to get forward and take that number 9 position too than a IF(S)

So a DLF(A) & two IF(S)s might be too many creators and not enough focus on scoring goals, so it may be a little blunt in attack. It could work 100% but if it was lacking goals, that would be the first thing I'd look at 

 

It's that I was told not to play out from the back as one of the worst teams in the league or use run at defence but in the analysis we "get frequently fouled, many dribbles" so I removed some of them. This is how it looks now.

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On 15/03/2022 at 11:55, Johnny Ace said:

Your setup's not looking bad at all there @trueblue9877 

Looking at your roles and who's doing what in the team:

• Your out & out striker is your AF(A) he doesn't need the IF(A) trying to get in on his action, I'd turn the IF  into a creator as an IF(S)
• Your winger can then stretch the left flank as a W(A)
• You'll then have two players on the right side looking to make openings with risky passes but I don't think that's a bad thing
• Your back line and DM setup looks solid, I like the wide runner at RB with the wide runner on the LW
• Counter Press is ultra aggressive and unless you're a top top team, it'll probably cause more harm than good especially when you're not pressing high up the pitch 

Are there any in possession  recommendations I usually play with a team that has 200-1 odds or so to win in a league like the one in the screenshot for more context, when I used a team that was 9-1 we were very dominant in the league but it's  just that with the lower ones it can be hard to score if you're not using "positive" mentality, I'll try the winger on attack and IF on support like you said earlier but do you think I should go with the positive mentality or stick to balanced?

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3 hours ago, Johnny Ace said:

Read what I said above, you're Counter Pressing with a team with 1000-1 odds to win the league 

AF(A) & IF(A) together isn't a good combo, like I already said 

I've seen you've had previous threads about the same thing before and seemed to have ignore the advice in those too  

 

It's  a middle press counter  press  tactic, I thought this would  be less high risk than a high press counter  pressing  tactic  and whenever  I tried to use Target Fiorward in the past it hasn't  worked  yet.

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Which attacking roles do you think would you say would you say would be more ideal ATM (A)  and IF (A) ?it's  just that AF ( A ) and IF  A/S )  has been working pretty well until this point