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53 minutes ago, herne79 said:
The first save is dated 26 Apr 2020, the second is dated 4 Nov 2018. That’s 2 seasons difference, so are you playing with the exact same players all that time? And are all the other clubs still using the same players too? The players used will affect performance. And are all the managers employed by the other clubs the same? Different managers use different tactics.
It’s also worth noting that in Nov 2018 you are near the bottom of the league so teams will approach matches against you differently compared to 18 months later when you are near the top of the league. Teams near the bottom of the league and/or in poor form tend to be viewed as easy pickings and get attacked more than teams near the top of the league / in good form who’ll be viewed more cautiously.
Probably also worth mentioning Morale. Morale is a Match Engine modifier and players in teams near the bottom of the league will likely have worse Morale than players at the top of the league, with the ME being impacted accordingly.
I'm just saying that I would like to know how I can add some consistency to the tactic because what happened was
Save One At first the tactic completely wasn't working and finished 17th then in the next season despite mostly having the same squad we finished first
Save two Impossible to win in first season and I was sacked in November
Is there anything I can change that can add balance to this tactic?
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Whilst using this tactic?
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Can anyone try and make suggestions as to how the results can vary so much whilst playing as the same team in the same league, the only thing that was changed was that I started a new save with the same team.
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This is how we finished the season relating to the second screenshot
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My XG and XGA totals have fallen from a cliff despite me being in the same division, using mostly the same squad in the same level and the same tactic, the first three screenshots are our XG scores and league performance in the first season + the tactic and so on
The second screenshot is our XG scores halfway through the next season.
The fourth screenshot is our XG scores at the end of the next season despite being in the same league, what could have happened to lead to such a downturn?
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On 03/09/2022 at 20:31, CARRERA said:
Well, the good thing about FM and football in general is, that you dont need to play a certain way just because you are a relegation or top side. Of course you can (should) exploit potential weaknesses of your opposition but your general style of play should ideally match your teams strenght. And you see that irl too, there are always sites, that rather go for a more positive and technical approach eventhough they are not amongst the top 5 or whatever.
As you play with a double pivot in CM (two holding players), you can get more adventurous with your Wing Backs, so I would use two WBs here. 4231 is quite a top heavy formation which is suited to quick transitions and a high press. So you might wanna look for a more positive approach and up the team mentality accordingly. If you look for low crosses, I would narrow down my attacking width or remove the crossing instruction.
But as I mentioned earlier in the other post, you need to look at the matches and your team to find a suited approach.
Okay so we got promoted out of League 2 and this is the results from the first season in League 1, I think we did pretty well but our offence fell off a cliff for whatever reason so a lot of games became a struggle, surprisingly decent defensively though, however do you think I need any changes to the this tactic to help the attack out as a team that is expected to be relegated?
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7 hours ago, CARRERA said:
It’s very ambitious to finish in the top half as a relegation side.
However, looking at your Roles and duties, I would have the left WB as a fullback to provide more defensive solidity. I would have one of my CM's as an attack duty OR two support duties where one drifts into the channels (carrilero/mezzala). Your wings look fine, but a Target Forward properbly isn’t the best role in a single striker system, as he needs someone to support the attack centrally. Either go with a link up player (DLF e.g.) to free up space for your wingers (you could even use two attack duties then) or someone who breaks the line like AF or P.
Looking at your instructions, every single one is a high risk modifier to your play. It’s hard to actually say what’s going wrong, why you concede, why your attack breaks down from a forums perspective.
You need to provide information on these topics. Like if your players end up isolated in attack with only few options or don’t even get there, your ball Progression might be too fast compared to your players Progression then you might wanna lower your passing directness and or tempo.
If the opposition is easily playing through your lines, you might wanna protect the space better by lowering pressing triggers and or remove tight marking.
If you watched tons of matches, you should be able to provide these information
Whether a tactic works or not, heavily depends on the players, as well on how the opposition plays. If anything changes from season to season or save to save, a tactic can break down entirely especially if there is no balance as mentioned earlier.
Also I noticed your team not being entirely familiar with your tactic.
Thanks for the advice, I have tried to implement the changes that you stated and am gonna let you know how it turns out
I put those instructions because I was advised to being a weaker team that other teams will play more exposed against you so you need quick transitions to catch those teams out but I guess it isn't 100% needed
What do you think of the other formation that I am trying to use where I am using Slough, I am not sure if we are strong enough to get away with a two man midfield as a weaker team in a league or even if we get promoted but what do you think I need to do in that shape to add more balance?
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10 minutes ago, trueblue9877 said:
Because I have already watched tonnes of matches and the same thing kept happening I noticed opponents playing direct so I removed a high line guess what the same thing still happens, I listened to the advice and guess what the same problems are still there, his first reply was literally "Why do you want to win more matches be happy getting the same results over and over again" when someone asks is there anything I am missing, how does that help anyone?
He didn't address the XG question, just got into semantics about definitions I would understand if the XG levelled out but how does that help anyone to say when what he said basically amounts to "It is based on luck and will level out" when it hasn't levelled out for three years in a row.
He didn't say a thing when I said that tactics will stop working after one season even if you start a new save or use a different team which has happened at least 9 times, surely you can see how frustrating this is, show me where he addresses that?
I have literally told people here, that if they can send me a screenshot of a tactic that they would use as an underdog team and if it works I will never post another thread here, nobody has ever done that, you just get people saying that I need to work it out, how does that help anyone?
Thanks for your advice but I was actually mostly referring to how the defence can be improved.
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56 minutes ago, herne79 said:
Nope. All I see is him offering advice, you ignoring most of it and then making a dumb comment which will do nothing to encourage him (or others) to help you further.
Moderators are not full time employees - they do it in their spare time and actually have a life. They are also based around the world and cover many time zones. Just because they don’t answer you when you want them to is not a case of ignoring you.
As for your system - I’d imagine your Target Man attack is causing issues because your players are looking to get the ball to him asap but he’ll be isolated and lack support. Try a different role which may help link play better. Then start watching matches instead of xG to see if you can actually see issues, like @HUNT3Rhas suggested you do.
Because I have already watched tonnes of matches and the same thing kept happening I noticed opponents playing direct so I removed a high line guess what the same thing still happens, I listened to the advice and guess what the same problems are still there, his first reply was literally "Why do you want to win more matches be happy getting the same results over and over again" when someone asks is there anything I am missing, how does that help anyone?
He didn't address the XG question, just got into semantics about definitions I would understand if the XG levelled out but how does that help anyone to say when what he said basically amounts to "It is based on luck and will level out" when it hasn't levelled out for three years in a row.
He didn't say a thing when I said that tactics will stop working after one season even if you start a new save or use a different team which has happened at least 9 times, surely you can see how frustrating this is, show me where he addresses that?
I have literally told people here, that if they can send me a screenshot of a tactic that they would use as an underdog team and if it works I will never post another thread here, nobody has ever done that, you just get people saying that I need to work it out, how does that help anyone?
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See how he doesn't actually try to help, just ignores what you said and makes pedantic comments......
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1 hour ago, HUNT3R said:
I would suggest analysing how exactly they are getting their chances. Look for patterns. If you're consistently giving up 3 goals, there will be issues that you'd be able to spot.
We're not consistently giving up three goals that only happens when we play teams who are in the PL or Championship, it is just consistently underperforming XG and opposing teams 3Xing XG which means we finish 10 places lower than predicted.
Which role changes or instructions would you suggest?
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7 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:
Did you underperform compared to your xG in the first season? What was your conversion rate?
If the first season was better, what was the situation in the following seasons? Were you still a relegation favourite? Did teams still approach you the same as before? Did you have the same squad or did you get different players? What was your conversion rate in these seasons?
That points to the club's situation changing, as I explained earlier.
That's not how xG works.
If you have 2 xG, it doesn't necessarily mean you should expect 2 goals to have been scored. xG allows us to see the quality of the chances. Having 10 shots for 2xG is insanely good and I'd expect 2 or 3 goals. If, on the other hand, it took 30 shots to generate 2xG, the average chance quality is quite low, so I'd expect 1 goal at most.
Of course, you get the odd strange game where a lucky shot goes in. Or the team who had 30 shots for 2 xG had 2 big chances of 0.34 xG each and put them away, but the other 28 shots were extremely poor.
My point is that xG needs to be put into context.
So in this tactic what suggestions would you make to help limit the opposition's XG?
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4 hours ago, HUNT3R said:
Your OP focused on you being a relegation favourite but you 'only' getting to mid-table. That's over performing by a lot. It isn't a bad thing and what you're doing is working. The tactic must then suit the team and the situation, ie being a relegation favourite up against teams who, mostly will be aggressive against you.
If you're still using the same tactic 6 seasons later, but you're now a promotion favourite, you have to be aware that teams' approach will be different. You're a promotion favourite, so generally speaking, teams will realise you're a strong team and be more cautious when they play against you. If your tactic relied on counter attacking quickly while the opposition is still mostly upfield, now they won't be caught out of position as much and your counter attacks will be less effective.
There's a big difference between being predicted bottom 6 and top 6.
Okay but that doesn't explain significantly underperforming XG for several years in a row, tactics not working after one season and opposing teams scoring 3 more goals with 0.20 more XG consistently.
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Something along these lines has been happening consistently for several seasons now
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You literally don't understand a tactic will work for an entire season, next season it won't work, if you start a new save with that same team it still won't work.
This has happened 8 times now, despite changing roles and instructions you get the same results.
And now what happened is I created a tactic that worked consistently except we consistently underperformed XG by at least 5 places for 4 consecutive seasons, fine at least you're not losing all the time after one season anymore right?
Start a new save with the same team, instantly start losing 24th in October , start a new save with the same team again, instantly go back to winning, 5th in October all using the same tactic, it just makes no sense.
I just would like to know how I can add some consistency.
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We can't get to 1 XG anymore at this point...
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2 hours ago, HUNT3R said:
If you're a relegation favourite, mid table is a good thing.
I wouldn't change things while it's going well.
Hello what should I do if I create a tactic that works then go to start a new save with the same team and now all of a sudden the tactic doesn't work?
Also it has been 6 years and every single year I have been predicted to be top 6 but finished 10th-15th
I would like to know how to improve the tactic so I can get promoted and advance but I probably won't be able to do that anymore since the tactic has stopped working completely in the new save
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What changes can I make to this tactic as a team that is predicted for relegation to help move above the mid table places
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1 minute ago, HUNT3R said:
You've shown 3 tactics. Given very little context around it. If we don't know the thought processes and what you were facing, we can't help very much.
A 'tactic' that you show is only how a match starts. Matches can swing depending on goals scored etc. A tactic might be great for 65 mins. It will not help if the other team changes and you're not capable of handling it.
I don't even care anymore.
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Dude I've shown the different tactics that I tried and somehow gotten the exact same results. And there really isn't.
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Odds of this happening?
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So what would you do in a if you were starting a season with a team expected to finish in 19th place in a league with this tactic then? because it is highly unusual for a team to go from 1st to 20th place within the span of two saves.